Delta1938
True King of House of El
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, that's fine I am saying he still went all out. Time and space were in a fragile state due to Alexander Luthor's manipulation of reality.
I see many people bring this up to try and dismiss the showing. There was a mention of the fabric being effected, but it also stated that the more worlds there were, the weaker it'd get. And there were MANY more worlds when Black Adam was freed and attacked Superboy Prime, with the intent to kill him. With his equivalent of Zeus-Amped punches. What happened? Nothing. So, what does that say that someone who's allegedly Superman's peer amps the force of his blows when the situation makes the fabric even weaker and still fails to do much of anything? I say it says that people should stop dismissing what Kal-L and Kal-El did.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't gauge this stuff by feats as it simply doesn't add up. You are free to believe feats are more important than I do. I mainly gauge in this instance by peer to peer comparison.
So, what are these comparisons again? The only example I see that people use to argue KC Superman>New Earth Superman is the Hercules comparison. But as Salsa pointed-out, it really looked like a case of New Earth Superman wasn't prepared but KC was. And really, NE Superman has the feats to support this. He's tanked punches from Supergirl, DOS Doomsday, Pocketverse Superboy and more, all who are stronger than Hercules, when he's prepared. And the punch catching KC Superman did? NE Superman has caught Wonder Woman's punch, as well as her full-body charge, with casualness, and while weakened, caught Captain Marvel's punch. And both are stronger than Hercules.
I really do want to see these examples that make you think KC Superman is stronger than NE Superman.
Oh, and if you want to continue where we left off a while back, go ahead and bump the threads and please send me PMs with the links. If you won't, I'll try to get around to it soon.
Originally posted by Cogito
Kal-L is a pre-crisis Kryptonian. All his feats from pre-crisis and the crisis technically remain canon to him.People seem to be getting hung up on the fact that even though he technically hasn't had a retcon, he clearly wasn't written at PC levels during his post-crisis appearances.
Well, I disagree about what Kal-L was shown to be. I mean, he didn't have all that many appearances after COIE that I'm aware of, but he still had that space/time shattering feat. But also, Kal-L was shown to be at least a notch below Earth-One Superman Pre-CRISIS, so of course he'll look inferior to Superboy Prime who I believe was closer to E1 Supes.
Originally posted by Cogito
Honestly though, it's the same thing as using classic showings from various Marvel characters in the same time period. They aren't written at the same level today, but some of the same people who would dismiss Kal-L would have no qualms about using a random one-time classic Thor feat to prove a point if it suited their argument./shrug 😬
This I agree on. There's a pretty consistent hypocrisy by a lot of Marvel fans in stuff like this. Also reminds me of how they try to dismiss speed-blitz arguments by going, "And how often does (Character X That's Not A Member Of The Flash Family) speedblitz?" yet bring-up obscure powers that their preferred character has used once or twice when it helps them, even if the power was used less often than speedblitzing.