Originally posted by TheGodKillerPlanck temperature : 1.416833(85) × 10^32 K
Gamma-ray burst temperature : 1 TK = 1 teraKelvin = 10^12 K .The difference is 20 orders of magnitude . And it doesn't favor the GRB .
That's incredible.
I also learned that:
The only places hotter than the Planck were/are:
Jim Gates of the University of Maryland.
"All we know is that above the Planck temperature,
the rules change, but … we don't know what the rules change to,"
he said. "If someone figures out such consistent rules, then yes,
it's conceivable that there will be hotter temperatures."
How about a boundlessly high temperature?
"Great! After all, classical general relativity calls for an infinitely
high temperature at the very start of the universe,
as well as in the centermost point, the singularity, of black holes."
So only at the center of a Black Hole, or the temperature right after the Big Bang,
surpasses the heat in Plank fire.
Impressive.
Still, Herald-tiers fly through the black holes.
Originally posted by Mr Master
You're actually right about Planck being hotter than a gamma burst.That's incredible.
I also learned that:
The only places hotter than the Planck were/are:
Jim Gates of the University of Maryland.
"All we know is that above the Planck temperature,
the rules change, but … we don't know what the rules change to,"
he said. "If someone figures out such consistent rules, then yes,
it's conceivable that there will be hotter temperatures."How about a boundlessly high temperature?
"Great! After all, classical general relativity calls for an infinitely
high temperature at the very start of the universe,
as well as in the centermost point, the singularity, of black holes."So only at the center of a Black Hole, or the temperature right after the Big Bang,
surpasses the heat in Plank fire.Impressive.
Still, Herald-tiers fly through the black holes.
The thing about black holes is that in order to escape the event horizon you have to be moving faster than light (or be able to alter the local laws of physics). So even if they go past the event horizon they still might not touch the singularity where the temperature is.
Originally posted by Mr Master
You're actually right about Planck being hotter than a gamma burst.That's incredible.
I also learned that:
The only places hotter than the Planck were/are:
Jim Gates of the University of Maryland.
"All we know is that above the Planck temperature,
the rules change, but … we don't know what the rules change to,"
he said. "If someone figures out such consistent rules, then yes,
it's conceivable that there will be hotter temperatures."How about a boundlessly high temperature?
"Great! After all, classical general relativity calls for an infinitely
high temperature at the very start of the universe,
as well as in the centermost point, the singularity, of black holes."So only at the center of a Black Hole, or the temperature right after the Big Bang,
surpasses the heat in Plank fire.Impressive.
Still, Herald-tiers fly through the black holes.
I think that that particular incident was one of the most logical explanation of how to stop a reality warper . What better way than to distort the fabric of reality itself , to disrupt a reality warpers powers .
Also , current cosmological models postulate the Planck temperature as the highest possible temperature . Here's an article : http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/absolute-hot.html
And as far as black-holes are concerned , sure , herald-tiers can tank a comic book black-hole .
A RL black-hole on the other hand would be an entirely different story .No herald-tier would fly into it not get spaghettified . The only way to escape it would be through negative matter(matter with negative mass) , but then the gravitational repulsion would be so massive , it would likely shatter the object .
Also , Planck temperature is commonly given as the Big Bang temperature(i.e temperature which can be calculated at the earliest phases of the BB , where general relativity breaks down).
Originally posted by TheGodKillerI think that that particular incident was one of the most logical
explanation of how to stop a reality warper . What better way than
to distort the fabric of reality itself , to disrupt a reality warpers
powers .
So basically that sounds like a case of my reality warping is > your reality warping.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerAlso , current cosmological models postulate the Planck temperature as the highest possible temperature . Here's an article : http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/absolute-hot.html
I saw both sides giving good reasons.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerAnd as far as black-holes are concerned , sure , herald-tiers can
tank a comic book black-hole .
A RL black-hole on the other hand would be an entirely different
story .No herald-tier would fly into it not get spaghettified . The only
way to escape it would be through negative matter(matter with
negative mass) , but then the gravitational repulsion would be so
massive , it would likely shatter the object .
I have examples of much lesser powers withstanding the insides of a black hole.
Heck, didn't Superman hold one in his hands? 😂
Originally posted by Mr Master
But the reality warper is the one that's supposed to be controlling reality.So basically that sounds like a case of my reality warping is > your reality warping.
Originally posted by Mr Master
There's different opinions on the matter out there.I saw both sides giving good reasons.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Well, good thing we're dealing with comic books then.I have examples of much lesser powers withstanding the insides of a black hole.
Heck, didn't Superman hold one in his hands? 😂
Originally posted by TheGodKillerOr it could be that by breaking the very fabric of what they warp ,
one can (temporarily?) disable their powers . Just an opinion .
"A battle in which the Laws of Physics are tortured beyond recognition ..
... and eventually shattered"
Originally posted by TheGodKillerWell , the general consensus among physicists is that Planck temperature is the
highest possible temperature according to current cosmological models , so high in
fact that the laws of general relativity(which consist of most of the laws of physics as
pertains to a cosmic scale) break down at it ..
That aside ...
Still, it was this that weakened Marquis enough to be obliterated by Doom's blast.
As you can see above Cube beings are doing just that and it's not affecting them negatively in the slightest.
You seem like a debater that's been honest so far. (wrong or right)
Surely you must see now how Marquis would not contend even with a Cube being.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I see what you're saying, although I still think a high-end reality warper,
wouldn't allow, or actually couldn't get by reality breaking down around them,
because when Molecule Man and Beyonder battled
Reality, twisted, broke and everything in-between,
and they were fine still fighting."A battle in which the Laws of Physics are tortured beyond recognition ..
... [b]and eventually shattered
"
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Originally posted by Mr Master
Space-time, the laws of physics breakdown in the center of a Black Hole as well.That aside ...
Still, it was this that weakened Marquis enough to be obliterated by Doom's blast.
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Originally posted by Mr Master
As you can see above Cube beings are doing just that and it's not affecting them negatively in the slightest.You seem like a debater that's been honest so far. (wrong or right)
Surely you must see now how Marquis would not contend even with a Cube being.
MoD
MJJ
Franklin Richards
True Legion
Shaman Nate Grey
MoD-battling his other counter part and summoning abstracts
to battle his younger counterpart, seems really impressive IMO, traveling the multiverse with various other feats
Mad Jim Jaspers- The fact that he was a deemed
an omniversal threat and could only be killed
by a plot deviced, twisted 616 to his liking, essentially invincible within his own warp
Franklin Richards- Destroyed 2 celestials plus summoned galactus to finish the 3rd, pwned black bolt
created his ownn pocket universe as a child, destined to become a cosmic entity, i would assume if he already hasn't, he may surpass the celestials in power
True Legion- creating AoX and stashing 616 in a box
his multiples personalities add to a plethora of powers, hair cut is so stupid its dope, awesome potential and apparently surpasses Xavier in telepathy
Shaman Nate Grey- A top tier telekinetc/telepath, raw, energies so massive it was tearing his body apart prior his x gene insginia, rivaled the phoenix in terms of power, such fine control of his body to the sub-atomic level, a multiversal traveler, merged various personalities into one being through the multiverse, ascended to existing as pure psionic energy, ability to utilize "planck length"could also copy and psionic based abilities he encountered, and later was revealed to possess reality warping abilties, which makes me wonder to how powerful that ability could become if he utilized it more
Originally posted by Mr Master
Protege was manufactured to be the accelerated potential of humanoids
which was to become God.Therefore, he was a cosmic being, not mortal, human or mutant.
As for the list:
HOM Wanda
Jim Jaspers
Jamie Braddock
Adult Franklin
True LegionMoD has some wonderful teleportation abilities but in the end,
his major feats are via alleged stories,
he was defeated by a simple spacial/temporal disruption
caused by the Human Torch who instead of Nova, had his flame go to "Planck" temperature.While that's extremely hot, hot enough to breakdown space-time,
it's still not hotter than a Gamma ray burst, which is the result of a hyper-nova.
Hyper-Nova = the explosion of a super massive Star, 100 times or larger than our Sun)*note* The 2011 Handbooks say nothing about Marquis controlling Eternity,
or any of the Abstracts,
or even bringing them to battle.It does mention them pitting super-heroes and villains to fight,
but that's it.It also clarifies that traveling the Omniverse for all those years,
and destroying those many realities is just as well "alleged" stories.Then when you see what it takes to weaken this Marquis sufficiently for Doom to vaporize him,
there's not much room for spins.------------------------------------------
Bottom line, other than causing a Star to go supernova,
does anyone have anything illustrating Clyde/Marquis doing anything more?If every thing's based on verbal claims,
and summoning Galactus,
and making a Star go nova
and teleporting heroes/villains across dimensions, is the action.😐
Is it just me or has this guy basically become a reliable versus thread discussion ender.
Whenever he says someone wins, I believe him. Does anyone else think this?
