Name the Top 5 Most Powerful Mutants.

Cypher was fairly powerful.

Is Beyonder a mutant now?

Whatever happened to the Inhuman Mutant 😛

Originally posted by

Hell, id give Jamie a good chance even against MJJ with his warp (but
eventually, the latter would win, imo), given that the Fury was resisting his
reality warping abilities, and Jamie has demonstrated a resistance to reality warping

Fury's not only immune to "Gods" reality warp, (MJJ was God withIN his warp according to Moore)
but he also comes with uber durability, like withstanding spatial-temporal
nullification on a cosmic scale without so much as a scratch.
It should be noted, that MJJ was in optimal conditions towards the end of the fight,
while the Fury was near exhaustion and in dire need of regeneration.

If it had lasted a few more panels, MJJ kills the Fury (crazy durability/immunity to reality warping and all)

Still, I luv Jamie, I know he's an obscure monster, but MJJ is like the crack of doom.

MJJ is the most powerful mutant imo.

Originally posted by operator616
Id like to mention some powerful Mutants that nobody in this thread talked about (not that i have seen, at least).

[B]Wanda's Children (Thomas & William) - Abstract level:

Avengers Forever v1 #8: They become powerful enough to challenge Eternity (alternate), and "rock the cosmos":

http://i.imgur.com/aEYdDmQ.jpg?1

2006 bio (Immortus' entry):

http://i.imgur.com/mJ0apgM.jpg?1

Although they're technically constructs, it was confirmed back in Avengers West Coast #52, that they possess mutant energies:

http://i.imgur.com/iGLeUXs.jpg?1

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Alfie O'Meagan - Universal-level:

Nth Man #16: Alfie gives John his own abilities with which he defeats M'Gubgub (a universal being) by collapsing M'Gubgub in on himself

http://i.imgur.com/ZGEsfq6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/p6qKkVv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MA9sFut.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/o5uA7BG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QOgKjhx.jpg

Just so we know how powerful M'Gubgub is: He eats Galaxies for breakfast:

http://i.imgur.com/MXg9NGv.jpg

Nth Man #14: His full form blocks half of the galaxy:

http://i.imgur.com/8ezG6Af.jpg

A being who dwarfs planet and has seen the death of universeS, flees when he hears the name of M'Gubgub:

http://i.imgur.com/FFsvkEl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fOirCdt.jpg

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Arcadia from X-Force - (Unknown-level, she definitely has reality warping abilities; and her power is implied to be universal, but she needed a certain stipulation to become a multiversal threat).

X-Force v1 #93: Rylor says that Moonstar has now the ability to tap into infinite universal energies (courtesy of Arcadia, back in issue #84, it was her who gave Moonstar that power):

http://i.imgur.com/5TPBZFu.jpg?1

Arcadia transformers into the "Queen of the Star Swords" (an evil version of herself). Those are from issue #100

The Queen creates the Cathedral:

http://i.imgur.com/uh6yabh.jpg

This Cathedral actually becomes a nexus point to all the infinite alternate realities:

http://i.imgur.com/r03bZcl.jpg?1

And all the alternate universes/realities started to merge:

http://i.imgur.com/QEd8Xjy.jpg?1

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Scotty Summer from Mutant-X - Close to Universal-level.

Defeating the Goblin Entity with a single gesture/thought (Mutant-X #12/#32):

http://i.imgur.com/fu62LfJ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/O7o5rah.jpg?1

There are quite several more, im having a hard time remembering them considering that they usually appear in one story (or a few). Although, most of them are mutants who possess reality warping abilities on a limited scale (like Proteus). But those are far from top tiers like MJJ, Jamie, Franklin, etc...

Does your ranking take into account that MJJ already spread his warp (where he has complete control), or not?. [/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master
Jamie and Fury have no relation whatsoever though good friend.

Fury's not only immune to "Gods" reality warp, (MJJ was God withIN his warp according to Moore)
but he also comes with uber durability, like withstanding spatial-temporal
nullification on a cosmic scale without so much as a scratch.

Not sure what you mean by "no relation whatsoever". Im not saying that Jamie has the same level of resistance as the Fury, just that he could "tighten his strings" to become somewhat resistant to reality-warping, replicating Fury's conditions to some degree. Apart from the Psylocke example, in an Uncanny X-Men story, Jamie also actually created a Fury which was also adapting to reality warping (where time-space lost coherence), though in a limited area:

http://i.imgur.com/xdP9Ae1.jpg

So yeah, id say that they have at least some relation in that regard (that they're both capable of resisting reality warping, to some degree).

Not exactly without a scratch. Fury was almost destroyed. Daredevils #8 states:

http://i.imgur.com/zlQYlkF.gif?1

"its back is broken, it no longer has any limbs"

Tanking the destruction of a universe is certainly a good feat, but on the other hand, The Fury also has several low showings (in Moore's story and later on as well, im sure you know what im talking about).

Anyway; i won't disagree that Fury's durability > Jamie's, but that doesn't matter much when Jamie is highly resistant to reality warping. Because that's Jaspers most dangerous attack.

I could easily see Jamie "tighten his strings" (becoming more resistant to reality warping), to confront MJJ; on the other hand, if MJJ shapeshifts, he could resist Jamie's powers as well, so there's that.

Originally posted by operator616

Not sure what you mean by "no relation whatsoever". Im not saying that Jamie has the same level of resistance as the Fury, just that he could "tighten his strings" to become somewhat resistant to reality-warping, replicating Fury's conditions to some degree. Apart from the Psylocke example, in an Uncanny X-Men story, Jamie also actually created a Fury which was also adapting to reality warping (where time-space lost coherence), though in a limited area:
http://i.imgur.com/xdP9Ae1.jpg
So yeah, id say that they have at least some relation in that regard (that they're both capable of resisting reality warping, to some degree).

Originally posted by operator616

Not exactly without a scratch. Fury was almost destroyed. Daredevils #8 states:
http://i.imgur.com/zlQYlkF.gif?1
"its back is broken, it no longer has any limbs"

The Fury withstood its entire universe getting erased unscathed.

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Fury floating around it's nullified Universe, completely intact: (un-harmed)
... nothing like the beat-up Fury in your scan.

"It floats through Space that is Not Space"

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It's not Space, because Space & Time was Nullified there.
So it became Un-Space. (the opposite of Space)

Which is where Fury took Jaspers,
to the Area of the Multiverse (238) that became Un-Space.
In fact, that's how the Fury knew about that location being deserted of space-time
because it was there, floating in Un-Space.

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Official Marvel Handbook Fury bio 2006:

"Fury modified itself to pursue (the preparation)
unbothered by the raging Reality Warp Jaspers' powers had precipitated,
it survived the destruction of its Entire Reality"

(It didn't escape the destruction ... it Survived it)

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This Marvel Official Handbook is even more blatant:

Alternate Universes - Crooked World (238 Reality)

"The Fury withstood both the Jaspers Warp and the Destruction of its Reality,
subsequently making its way to Earth 616"

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We know what "Withstood" means right?

(remain undamaged or unaffected by)

Also,
the Fury "Subsequently made its way to 616."

We know what "Subsequent" means right?

(coming after something in time; following)

So the Fury made its way to 616 AFTER it Withstood the nullification of 238. 🙂

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That said, so what exactly f'd up the Fury?

I don't know, and you don't know. We're told that it was the "journey." (flight)

Apparently, the Fury was violating RealitieS as it travelled to 616

"It has crossed The Parallel RealitieS to hunt its prey" (reads like all universeS)

"Stunted and damaged by its flight"

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So again, the Fury tanked cosmic scale nullification without so much as a scratch,
and unknown/mysterious obstacles damaged the Fury as it physically crossed the multiverse.

Since there's absolutely no proof as to what that was exactly, there's no point in giving it another thought.

Originally posted by operator616

Tanking the destruction of a universe is certainly a good feat, but on the other hand, The Fury also has several low showings (in Moore's story and later on as well, im sure you know what im talking about).

In Moore's story, the only time Fury was paused, was when Zeitgeist confused it.
Zeitgeist was able to do this cause he's an abstract-type being, who exists as
much as he wants to within reality while actually being located within another reality.
Basically making him like a ghost who can attack from this ghost-like form.
While the Fury stood there, defenseless and unmoving, Technet and Brian buried it momentarily.

That aside, you would have to show me something I missed.

^ Not sure why you're showing me scans of Fury "floating in Un-Space", nobody is disputing this part, where Fury survived the destruction of its universe. Just that it sustained heavy damage.

And the handbooks you posted also don't tell us anything. I read them already. And just because they don't specifically mention that the Fury was damaged in the process, doesn't mean it didn't. You're well aware that the handbooks don't mention everything, especially these kind of details. So your handbooks prove nothing, imo. "Withstood" means "succeed in resisting", which Fury did, but not without damaging itself in the process.

Your Captain Britain v2 #4 is the most relevant one. But see, ive already taken it into account when basing my opinion.

Fact is, there is proof. Marvunapp (like myself) also takes Captain Britain v2 #4 into consideration, and it specifically says that the Fury lost all its four limbs as a result of tanking the destruction of its universe:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/fury1.htm

"It was nearly destroyed escaping from the dying universe, losing all four limbs in the process"

🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
I could care less about Claremont's Fury.

In Moore's story, the only time Fury was paused, was when Zeitgeist confused it.
Zeitgeist was able to do this cause he's an abstract-type being, who exists as
much as he wants to within reality while actually being located within another reality.
Basically making him like a ghost who can attack from this ghost-like form.
While the Fury stood there, defenseless and unmoving, Technet and Brian buried it momentarily.

That aside, you would have to show me something I missed.

I wasn't referring to Claremont's Fury, i was referring to the one shown in X-Men Die by the Sword. Im sure you'll remember what happened there. and while we've debated this before, i still stand by my opinion that its performance was awful (despite being a bit weakened due to Jaspers resisting from the inside) in that story....i mean, seriously.....Energy lances...

http://i.imgur.com/toVKypS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uCAFNsb.jpg

(i know you're aware of it, just wanna post it so that everyone looks at all the facts, here).

Yeah, Daredevils #11 is what im talking about regarding Moore's arc:

http://i.imgur.com/3xjHsdf.gif
http://i.imgur.com/lm5XQsu.gif

See the Marvunapp bio specifically crediting the heroes for damaging the Fury.

Originally posted by operator616

^ Not sure why you're showing me scans of Fury "floating in Un-Space", nobody is disputing this part, where Fury survived the destruction of its universe. Just that it sustained heavy damage.
And the handbooks you posted also don't tell us anything. I read them already. And just because they don't specifically mention that the Fury was damaged in the process, doesn't mean it didn't. You're well aware that the handbooks don't mention everything, especially these kind of details. So your handbooks prove nothing, imo. "Withstood" means "succeed in resisting", which Fury did, but not without damaging itself in the process.
Your Captain Britain v2 #4 is the most relevant one. But see, ive already taken it into account when basing my opinion.
Fact is, there is proof. Marvunapp (like myself) also takes Captain Britain v2 #4 into consideration, and it specifically says that the Fury lost all its four limbs as a result of tanking the destruction of its universe:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/fury1.htm
"It was nearly destroyed escaping from the dying universe, losing all four limbs in the process"

... So .... website bio > On Panel evidence? ... Not imo but ok.

Anyway yea, there's Fury, right after it withstood the destruction of the universe:

😐 ... uhh, hmm, I didn't see the Fury escape from the dying or dead universe, in fact, it's right there still AFTER nullification.

1) Marvunapp is wrong!

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I also don't see a single limb missing after the Fury tanked the universe's death:

2) Marvunapp is wrong again!

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You may have to find another source of inspiration on this one bud.

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The Handbook (crooked world bio) I posted is 100% accurate,
the Fury did in fact and without question "withstand" the destruction of its universe, as in unharmed!

On Panel, we are told in the scan you posted it was the "Journey" that damaged it, Not the universe's death.

On Panel, we are shown (no need for handbooks) the Fury chillin in the nullified 238, ALL limbs accounted for.

On Panel, again, we are told, it had something to do with the Fury crossing The RealitieS!

"It has paid heavily for its violation of RealitieS, stunted and damaged by its flight ..."

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** Whateva that means, it does NOT mean the Fury was damaged by reality-238's destruction.

There's nothing further to discuss here, if pride restrains anyone from admittance,
then they should slide out in silence.

Originally posted by operator616

I wasn't referring to Claremont's Fury, i was referring to the one shown in X-Men Die by the Sword. Im sure you'll remember what happened there. and while we've debated this before, i still stand by my opinion that its performance was awful (despite being a bit weakened due to Jaspers resisting from the inside) in that story....i mean, seriously.....Energy lances...

http://i.imgur.com/toVKypS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uCAFNsb.jpg

btw, That issue was full of pot holes. Classic Fury would've eaten Brian and Albion for breakfast.
Brian stood toe to toe with Claremont's Fury and survived, and joined with Albion, damaged it,
that would've never happened with Moore's Fury son, Brian got owned like a child by Moore's Fury. (everyone did actually)

In Claremont's Fury's defense, Blink came in with all her quills when the Fury was vulnerable,
due to it getting pummeled by Albion and Brian as it tried to reassert itself.

Originally posted by operator616

Yeah, Daredevils #11 is what im talking about regarding Moore's arc:

http://i.imgur.com/3xjHsdf.gif
http://i.imgur.com/lm5XQsu.gif

See the Marvunapp bio specifically crediting the heroes for damaging the Fury.

Lordy, I already explained this situation.

So yea, those aren't the exact facts though friend.
The team Fury stomped, got stomped, and stayed stomped,
which was everyone save for 'Zeit-Geist.'
They "fought as one" against a momentarily incapacitated Fury,
after the Fury just stood there getting ripped into trying to detect the Abstract attack.

ie. They momentarily beat a Fury that wasn't fighting back or defending itself.

Why?

You only posted the scans where 'Zeit-Geist' joins the fight: (Abstract being who exists in
Another Dimension and can only manifest partially in reality when he chooses to)
Look under Powers/Abilities and we realize why/how he was able to disorient the Fury.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/zeitg1.htm

Evidently Fury wouldn't fare well against someone who can attack it in a purely abstract fashion.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Evidently Fury wouldn't fare well against someone who can attack it in a purely abstract fashion.

It was after that incident with Zeitgiest and company that Fury ended up in that uber CPU cave room,
where Fury got a ridiculous upgrade after absorbing the monster sized cpu,
enough of a boost to take on and manage to kill "God." (it was specifically noted that JJ would've easily killed the Fury otherwise)

1)Squirrel Girl.
2)Squirrel Girl.
3)Squirrel Girl.
4)Squirrel Girl.
5)Squirrel Girl.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I can't believe you actually came back to argue this. This tells me you don't like to be wrong.

... So .... website bio > On Panel evidence? ... Not imo but ok.

Anyway yea, there's Fury, right after it withstood the destruction of the universe:

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17952947/Fury_withsatnds_CN.jpg.html

... uhh, hmm, [b]I didn't see the Fury escape from the dying or dead universe, in fact, it's right there still AFTER nullification.

1) Marvunapp is wrong!

[/B]

Marvunapp isn't wrong at all. It says that the Fury escaped from its dying universe to Earth-616, which it did. If you think that Marvunapp implied that the Fury didn't actually tank universal nullification but rather had the Fury "escape narrowly", the no, i don't think that's what it's meant by. Although, the "narrowly" part, does confuse a bit.

Originally posted by Mr Master

I also [b]don't see a single limb missing after the Fury tanked the universe's death:

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17954201/Fury_tanks_CN.jpg.html

2) Marvunapp is wrong again!
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You may have to find another source of inspiration on this one bud.
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The Handbook (crooked world bio) I posted is 100% accurate,
the Fury did in fact and without question "withstand" the destruction of its universe, as in unharmed!

On Panel, we are told in the scan you posted it was the "Journey" that damaged it, Not the universe's death.

On Panel, we are shown (no need for handbooks) the Fury chillin in the nullified 238, ALL limbs accounted for.

On Panel, again, we are told, it had something to do with the Fury crossing The RealitieS!

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17954203/Fury_tanks_CN2.jpg.html

"It has paid heavily for its violation of RealitieS, stunted and damaged by its flight ..."
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** Whateva that means, it does NOT mean the Fury was damaged by reality-238's destruction.

There's nothing further to discuss here, if pride restrains anyone from admittance,
then they should slide out in silence.
[/B]

Yeah, the handbook is correct, but not detailed. No one here is denying that Fury tanked universal nullification energies. That's what the handbooks mention. Handbooks leave out details, you know that. But going by your logic, why don't either of the handbooks mention that the Fury lost all its limbs as a result of passing parallel realities? ......Right, that's because handbooks don't mentioned every detail, just the basic story.

Anyway, if you think that i can't admit when im wrong, then that's not true. I do admit when im wrong. The last comment was unnecessary, i could say the same thing about you, because you never change your mind/admit that you're wrong, no matter what evidence is posted, from what ive seen. So yeah, let's avoid these kind of comments. That's also the exact reason i dislike debating with you at times; because when i disagree with you, you reply with hostility.

Now, i do admit that your case is stronger than mine, it just doesn't make sense to me that the Fury would withstand universal nullification without a single scratch, but apparently gets nearly destroyed as a result of hopping from one reality to another. That, and i do have at least secondary evidence to back it up, and the CB scan is a bit ambiguous anyway. If anything it also strengthens my point (that it's a very high showing), considering that it says the Fury is damaged by its flight. It also says that "its journey was not pleasant" despite the fact that in Daredevils #6, the Fury was making adjustments to prepare for its journey:

http://i.imgur.com/2otv1fD.jpg?1

So my conclusion would be: The universal nullification severely weakened the Fury, leaving it very vulnerable; and while it hopped from one dimension to another, it finally broke. Does that not make sense? It also contradicts nothing of what was stated/shown on panel, and perfectly fits together, not to mention that it makes sense.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Like I said, I could care less about Claremont's Fury, which ... that is.

btw, That issue was full of pot holes. Classic Fury would've eaten Brian and Albion for breakfast.
Brian stood toe to toe with Claremont's Fury and survived, and joined with Albion, damaged it,
that would've never happened with Moore's Fury son, Brian got owned like a child by Moore's Fury. (everyone did actually)

My mistake (i totally didn't admit that i was mistaken here, did i?), i forgot for a minute that Claremont wrote X-Men die by the Sword. I thought you were referring to Jamie's Fury because Claremont wrote the UXM The End of History arc, as well.

Yeah, i also thought that the Fury and Jaspers of that story were weaker than their original portrayals in Moore's story, i even told you this myself in a past debate, i think. Although, they're still technically the same characters (something which you pointed out yourself).

Originally posted by Mr Master

Nah, you go see Marvuanapp to see what happened On Panel,
I'll just go straight to the On Panel action preferably.

Lordy, I already explained this situation.

uh what? I go straight to on panel events as well, then go to Marvunapp and bios to confirm it further. I totally see Fury getting owned by the heroes, on panel. Which is further backed by the official bio.

That you did; and missed the point, apparently.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So yea, those aren't the exact facts though friend.
The team Fury stomped, got stomped, and stayed stomped,
which was everyone save for 'Zeit-Geist.'
They "fought as one" against a momentarily incapacitated Fury,
after the Fury just stood there getting ripped into trying to detect the Abstract attack.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16107377/Fury_11.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16107378/Fury_12.jpg.html
ie. They momentarily beat a Fury that wasn't fighting back or defending itself.

Why?

You only posted the scans where 'Zeit-Geist' joins the fight: ([b]Abstract being who exists in
Another Dimension and can only manifest partially in reality when he chooses to)
Look under Powers/Abilities and we realize why/how he was able to disorient the Fury.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/zeitg1.htm

Evidently Fury wouldn't fare well against someone who can attack it in a purely abstract fashion. [/B]

So yeah, you missed the point.

Everything you said, has nothing to do with what i said. Because all i was ever arguing, was that the Heroes managed to damage the Fury, which they did, that much is indisputable. Zeitgeist got involved, that's great. The Fury wasn't fighting back, that's also great. But i never argued otherwise, and my point still stands.

Also, nice to see you use Marvunapp, same Marvunapp which you sought to disprove in that same post of yours.

So, point is: the Heroes manage to damage the fury (scans already posted) and succeed in burying it under the rocks:

http://i.imgur.com/l1SfuqW.gif?1

After which it took its time to absorb the computer, so that it could repair itself:

http://i.imgur.com/l7IypE6.jpg?1

Originally posted by operator616

Marvunapp isn't wrong at all. It says that the Fury escaped from its dying universe to Earth-616, which it did. If you think that Marvunapp implied that the Fury didn't actually tank universal nullification but rather had the Fury "escape narrowly", the no, i don't think that's what it's meant by. Although, the "narrowly" part, does confuse a bit.

The "narrowly" part doesn't "confuse a bit," imo ... it outright screams that they're wrong.

Originally posted by operator616

Yeah, the handbook is correct, but not detailed. No one here is denying that Fury tanked universal nullification energies. That's what the handbooks mention.

Handbooks leave out details, you know that.

Doesn't happen all the time, but it happens, like in this case.

Originally posted by operator616

But going by your logic, why don't either of the handbooks mention that the Fury lost all its limbs as a result of passing parallel realities? ......Right, that's because handbooks don't mentioned every detail, just the basic story.

Anyway, On Panel is where we get the details,
handbooks are only supposed to corroborate what took place on panel,
if they do not, then they're unacceptable as a form of evidence for a particular debate.

On Panel, we Know the Fury was damaged by the ... "Journey" ... "Flight" ... "its Violation of RealitieS"

On Panel ... the Fury was intact floating in the nullified universe.

** I already posted the on panel truth with proof.

Originally posted by operator616

Anyway, if you think that i can't admit when im wrong, then that's not true. I do admit when im wrong. The last comment was unnecessary, i could say the same thing about you, because you never change your mind/admit that you're wrong, no matter what evidence is posted, from what ive seen. So yeah, let's avoid these kind of comments. That's also the exact reason i dislike debating with you at times; because when i disagree with you, you reply with hostility.

I've actually given you credit on being right and I, being wrong, on TWO separate debates in one thread: 😬

(4th to last post)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=589795&pagenumber=10

You were right concerning a detail regarding Zom, I was wrong, I told our world.

I also took the opportunity to also give you props on the Dr Strange debate relating to #21 and the "Clusters."

Yea, that's Mr M, like I said in the thread, not the intransigent you're summing up here.
... and you wonder where my occasional limitations of patience appear from.

We were having a heated debate too, and I still exhibited humility.

On a side note, my so called "hostility" is usually me biting back,
if not, it's due to frustration when dealing with intransigence.

Originally posted by operator616

Now, i do admit that your case is stronger than mine, it just doesn't make sense to me that the Fury would withstand universal nullification without a single scratch, but apparently gets nearly destroyed as a result of hopping from one reality to another. That, and i do have at least secondary evidence to back it up, and the CB scan is a bit ambiguous anyway. If anything it also strengthens my point (that it's a very high showing), considering that it says the Fury is damaged by its flight. It also says that "its journey was not pleasant" despite the fact that in Daredevils #6, the Fury was making adjustments to prepare for its journey:

http://i.imgur.com/2otv1fD.jpg?1

2) You don't have a "secondary" evidence of any kind though opr. (you only have the Marvunapp website mis-interpretation)

3) We have no idea what the Fury went through as it journeyed across the multiverse.
It's not like it was from one universe (238) to another (616) btw,
the scan not only indicates the Fury crossed universeS (plural) before reaching 616,
but it also strongly suggests that while crossing, something was going down
where the Fury was "Violating RealitieS" ...

That reads to me like, one) the Fury was wrecking shop as it entered different universes,
and getting attacked in the processed, by who or what who knows.
This could've persisted across 100s, millions, who knows how many realitieS.
Or, two) a less likely scenario, Fury was violating cosmic law by crossing universal barriers?
Fury was damaging them? Damaging itself?

Just an opinion based on the context of the dialogue in the scan.

4) I don't see how the scan showing the Fury preparing adds anything.
The Fury "prepared" itself to fly into the cosmos, but it had no idea what it would encounter,
so it couldn't prepare for that.

* opr, we'll really never know what that means exactly, but we know for sure it had nothing to do with 238's death.

Originally posted by operator616

So my conclusion would be: The universal nullification severely weakened the Fury, leaving it very vulnerable; and while it hopped from one dimension to another, it finally broke. Does that not make sense? It also contradicts nothing of what was stated/shown on panel, and perfectly fits together, not to mention that it makes sense.

opr, friend, you're forcing your reason based on the website cause you want it to be correct, but it's wrong.

Let this one go and give Mr M his love. 😛

Originally posted by operator616

My mistake (i totally didn't admit that i was mistaken here, did i?), i forgot for a minute that Claremont wrote X-Men die by the Sword. I thought you were referring to Jamie's Fury because Claremont wrote the UXM The End of History arc, as well.
Yeah, i also thought that the Fury and Jaspers of that story were weaker than their original portrayals in Moore's story, i even told you this myself in a past debate, i think. Although, they're still technically the same characters (something which you pointed out yourself).

Originally posted by operator616

uh what? I go straight to on panel events as well, then go to Marvunapp and bios to confirm it further.

Originally posted by operator616

I totally see Fury getting owned by the heroes, on panel. Which is further backed by the official bio.

Let's review that for certainty!

We'll start here where the Fury scorches omniversal guardian Merlyn's hands.

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Notice Captain Britain trying to sneak up on the Fury:

[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17965026_Fury1.jpg]

Captain Britain, owned ... followed by Wardog, getting his arm ripped off:

[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17965027_Fury2.jpg]

[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17965028_Fury3.jpg]

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Wardog, owned ... followed by Legion jumping the Fury:

[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17965029_Fury4.jpg]

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Legion, owned and killed ... followed by the Fury still getting attacked:

[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17965030_Fury5.jpg]

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Oxo, owned and seemingly killed ... followed by a berserk Fascination:

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Fascination, gets a raging grip on the Fury's head, she applies her incredible power.
The Fury tanks her power, and immediately adapts:

[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17965033_Fury8.jpg]

Fascination, owned: ... followed Captain Britain who came back to get owned again:

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The Fury is in perfect shape, looking good and unstoppable until ...

... NOW ... finally as I said before Zeitgeist joins the fight right before the Fury kills Captain Britain.

They attack as one the disoriented Fury that was just standing there, not defending itself, or fighting back:

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You call that "seeing the heroes owning the Fury?" ... "totally" no less? Or even "damaging" the Fury?

All I see is the heroes getting owned, some killed, until Zeitgeist confused the Fury,
because the Fury needed more time to adapt to this special case (Zeitgeist)
leaving the Fury as a helpless statue.
THEN, and only then, do I see the heroes putting down the Fury.

The Fury that wasn't fighting back or defending itself that is.

We really "saw" the difference between the two.

So yea, my posts were 100% accurate. The Fury was putting on a clinic until Zeitgeist showed up.

And I don't see any hero "damage" the Fury in any way, not even Fascination who got the best hit. Yep, only Zeitgeist. (abstract being)

Originally posted by operator616

So yeah, you missed the point.
Everything you said, has nothing to do with what i said. Because all i was ever arguing, was that the Heroes managed to damage the Fury, which they did, that much is indisputable. Zeitgeist got involved, that's great. The Fury wasn't fighting back, that's also great. But i never argued otherwise, and my point still stands.

Anyway, I addressed the incorrect info posted directly.
You told me to "see the Marvuanapp bio specifically crediting the heroes for damaging the Fury." huh?

Because, I rather believe them than my own two eyes.

I already submitted Zeitgeist was the only one of significance there, everyone else got owned.

Originally posted by operator616

Also, nice to see you use Marvunapp, same Marvunapp which you sought to disprove in that same post of yours.

I'll continue to use Marvuapp and actual Handbooks as long as they adhere to On Panel evidence.

I have always said that, everyone who knows about me knows this is true.

Yet, I have also said, that sometimes Handbooks and Marvunapp can be wrong,
and this isn't the first time I prove it. I have proven in other debates not concerning you.

Originally posted by operator616

So, point is: the Heroes manage to damage the fury (scans already posted) and succeed in burying it under the rocks:

http://i.imgur.com/l1SfuqW.gif?1

1 - Marquis of Death:
2 - True Legion (David Haller)
He rewrote the multiverse.
3 - Adult Franklin Richards
4 - Mad Jim Jaspers
5 - Jamie Bradock
6 - Alfie O'Meagan
7 – Proteus
8 - Matthew Malloy
9 - Onslaught (Only Xavier + Magneto)
10 – Shaman X-Man
11 - New Sun
12 – Hyperstorm
13 – Cable
14 – Apocalypse
15 – Vulcan
16 – Mr. M
17 – Magneto
18 – Exodus
19 – Hope Summers
20 - Magik

What about Thanos?

Originally posted by carver9
What about Thanos?

What about him? Is he a Mutant or a mutate.

He was mentioned to be a mutant. But that was outside an X-Men book. Has his X-Gene been confirmed, so that we can label him a mutant?

If not, he is a Mutate.

Can we get confirmation if Protégé was or was not a mutant?

1) True legion (every power imaginationable plus insane reality warping)
2) MJJ
3) Adult Franklin Richards
4) Marquis of Death
5) Jamie Braddock
6) Matthew Malloy
7) New Sun
8) Hyperstorm
9) Shaman Nate Grey
10) Full power Cable

Can we get confirmation if Protégé was or was not a mutant?