Galactus vs. Scrier vs. The Other - The Mighty Thor Annual #1 SPOILERS/SCANS!

So Mikaboshi wasn't "the void" the predated creation, he was just an aspect of Oblivion. Sweet retcon!

Galactus takes on Scrier and The Other and nearly collapses all of reality!!! NOT HYPERBOLE! Odin vs Seth and their long dead galaxy feat...small potatoes.

Galactus clearly shows concern for Surfer and Thor, but has to be an dick to Thor after saving him to maintain his street cred.

DeMatteis is the man!

I would post links to scans but the board won't let me.

Anyway, Galactus just had a legit universe threatening fight, thoughts?

Originally posted by TheRavager
So Mikaboshi wasn't "the void" the predated creation, he was just an aspect of Oblivion. Sweet retcon!

Galactus takes on Scrier and The Other and nearly collapses all of reality!!! NOT HYPERBOLE! Odin vs Seth and their long dead galaxy feat...small potatoes.

Galactus clearly shows concern for Surfer and Thor, but has to be an dick to Thor after saving him to maintain his street cred.

DeMatteis is the man!

I would post links to scans but the board won't let me.

Anyway, Galactus just had a legit universe threatening fight, thoughts?

if scrier is making a comeback, that is awesome! i always wanted to learn more about that character. seemed like a waste to me that he was never given more time....

Originally posted by janus77
he needs antacid?

lamo

He hasn't had heartburn since Poppup...or maybe in that Son Hulk mini. 😛

The odin and set fight threatin the entire multiverse, multiverse>reality=1 universe. galactus still sucks.

also if mikaboshi is indeed merly an aspect of oblivion the oblivion>eternity and the other abstracts sans LT. chaos king made Death flee.

Originally posted by leonidas
if scrier is making a comeback, that is awesome! i always wanted to learn more about that character. seemed like a waste to me that he was never given more time....

He's back, but after Galactus got involved with the Scrier/Other "game", they were both like, "Damn...TRUCE?!"

I would like to see more of Scrier, he's a schemer on the level of Thanos but he's also a big league cosmic powerhouse. A lot of great stories could center around his schemes.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
The odin and set fight threatin the entire multiverse, multiverse>reality=1 universe. galactus still sucks.

"Rocking the entire continuum", "shattering long dead galaxies", and "reigniting dying suns" is tiny little baby potatoes compared to bending all of reality to it's breaking point. And there was no hyperbole here, Oblivion couldn't contain a "shiver of anticipation" as he watched their fight occur and nearly destroy all of reality.

also if mikaboshi is indeed merly an aspect of oblivion the oblivion>eternity and the other abstracts sans LT. chaos king made Death flee.

Mikaboshi is indeed an aspect of Oblivion, and guess what, Oblivion/Death share a relationship much like Eternity/Infinity.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
The odin and set fight threatin the entire multiverse, multiverse>reality=1 universe. galactus still sucks.

also if mikaboshi is indeed merly an aspect of oblivion the oblivion>eternity and the other abstracts sans LT. chaos king made Death flee.

It didn't threaten the multiverse, the narration just said it was "felt on every plane of reality"

Originally posted by TheRavager
"Rocking the entire continuum", "shattering long dead galaxies", and "reigniting dying suns" is tiny little baby potatoes compared to bending all of reality to it's breaking point. And there was no hyperbole here, Oblivion couldn't contain a "shiver of anticipation" as he watched their fight occur and nearly destroy all of reality.

Mikaboshi is indeed an aspect of Oblivion, and guess what, Oblivion/Death share a relationship much like Eternity/Infinity.

I already knew that, what im saying is
Oblivion>Chaos King=Eternity>Death>>>Galactus

Oblivion would fart galactus out of existance

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Lol, galactus is still a crap character.

I already knew that, what im saying is
Oblivion>Chaos King=Eternity>Death>>>Galactus

Oblivion would fart galactus out of existance

Nah, Galactus is an original that spawn imitators. You want to see a crap character? Check out Colossus and Black Adam, talk about a couple of putzes.

You clearly don't understand the implications of the Mikaboshi retcon.
By making Mikaboshi an aspect of Oblivion, the REAL "void that existed before creation", it meant that opposing Mikaboshi would be akin to opposing Oblivion...the guy who is ACTUALLY a peer to Eternity.

P.S. Mikaboshi was basically a chump until he started stealing the power of all those pantheons.

So minus pantheon amping is goes more like this:

Eternity/Infinity = Death/Oblivion > Galactus > Mikaboshi

Galactus' showing/power level in Chaos War was pretty obviously eschewed by the fact that he was robbed of a meal from the very beginning.

Originally posted by TheRavager
P.S. Mikaboshi was basically a chump until he started stealing the power of all those pantheons.

So minus pantheon amping is goes more like this:

Eternity/Infinity = Death/Oblivion > Galactus > Mikaboshi

Galactus' showing/power level in Chaos War was pretty obviously eschewed by the fact that he was robbed of a meal from the very beginning.

Originally posted by TheRavager
"Rocking the entire continuum", "shattering long dead galaxies", and "reigniting dying suns" is tiny little baby potatoes compared to bending all of reality to it's breaking point. And there was no hyperbole here, Oblivion couldn't contain a "shiver of anticipation" as he watched their fight occur and nearly destroy all of reality.

Mikaboshi is indeed an aspect of Oblivion, and guess what, Oblivion/Death share a relationship much like Eternity/Infinity.

Universe screaming and the death throws of all reality (according to Jean) :
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Odin_seth_06.jpg

And Colossus Big C is right, this retcon just fxxked sh|t up even more. According to it Oblivion>>>>>CK=Eternity>>>>>>>>>Death (since a mere aspect of Oblivion made an Abstract flee the universe).

Originally posted by zopzop
It was more than just being felt, it was [b]tearing at the very fabric of the multiverse (according to Strange):

...followed up by, "it could threaten untold galaxies." Come on, not only is Strange NOT a particularly credible source on affairs of this nature, he basically contradicts himself in the same sentence. Classic silver age type hyperbole, and yes I know the story was written in the 90s.

Universe screaming and the death throws of all reality (according to Jean) :

Again, a less than authoritative interpretation. Jean herself isn't sure what she's seen, "It's *LIKE* watching..."

And Colossus Big C is right, this retcon just fxxked sh|t up even more. According to it Oblivion>>>>>CK=Eternity>>>>>>>>>Death (since a mere aspect of Oblivion made an Abstract flee the universe).

Meh, I've blocked out most of Chaos War since it was completely awful. But didn't Death flee after Mikaboshi stole the power of Nightmare and numerous pantheons?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Lol, galactus is still a crap character.

I already knew that, what im saying is
Oblivion>Chaos King=Eternity>Death>>>Galactus

Oblivion would fart galactus out of existance

Oblivion had a very healthy opinion of Galactus during his narrative. And crap character? lol, that's certainly a unique point of view.

aka stupid point of view.

Originally posted by TheRavager
...followed up by, "it could threaten untold galaxies." Come on, not only is Strange NOT a particularly credible source on affairs of this nature, he basically contradicts himself in the same sentence. Classic silver age type hyperbole, and yes I know the story was written in the 90s.

Again, a less than authoritative interpretation. Jean herself isn't sure what she's seen, "It's *LIKE* watching..."

For example :
Odin/Seth and Galactus/Scrier/Other, according to narration or third party, unleashed more power than the ENTIRE Cosmic Hierarchy during their assault on the IG wearers in the Infinity Gauntlet Saga. Death/Galactus/Stranger/Epoch/Love/Hate/2 Celestials/Order/Chaos/Kronos COMBINED attack vs an IG user didn't threaten a universe, let alone all reality.

You really believe the Odin/Seth or Galactus/Scrier/Other throwdown was packing more power than the above example?

Meh, I've blocked out most of Chaos War since it was completely awful. But didn't Death flee after Mikaboshi stole the power of Nightmare and numerous pantheons?

Originally posted by zopzop

It's no more or less valid than what went on between Galactus/Other/Scrier. If you accept on you have to accept the other. Both are examples of sh|t writing though.

Nope, not the case at all. In the Galactus/Scrier/Other instance, we have nearly omniscient/abstract narrator observing the threat to the reality. A character with a vested interest in its cessation. Big difference. The omniscient narrator in the Odin/Seth instance never made such claims, only that long dead galaxies were destroyed and dying suns reignited.

For example :
Odin/Seth and Galactus/Scrier/Other, according to narration or third party, unleashed more power than the ENTIRE Cosmic Hierarchy during their assault on the IG wearers in the Infinity Gauntlet Saga. Death/Galactus/Stranger/Epoch/Love/Hate/2 Celestials/Order/Chaos/Kronos COMBINED attack vs an IG user didn't threaten a universe, let alone all reality.

Starlin has always had a more grounded view of the cosmic powerhouses. Also, the cosmics prepped for the war against the IG, a No Prize explanation would be that there were safeguards put into place to prevent the collapse of reality. Reality WAS nearly destroyed by Eternity/Infinity taking on the incomplete IG during Infinity War, however.

You really believe the Odin/Seth or Galactus/Scrier/Other throwdown was packing more power than the above example?

What I KNOW is that, from the perspective of Scrier/The Other/Oblivion, all characters with a high levels of cosmic awareness, the Galactus/Scrier/Other fight was straining reality to the point of breaking.

I forgot the sequence but I know Death fled after CK killed "Satan" but before he went on to devour Earth's pantheons.

See? Forgettable garbage. All DeMatteis did here is line Mikaboshi back up within the existing cosmic hierarchy. Mikaboshi was a retconned Oblivion, now Mikaboshi has been retconned back into his rightful position.

Originally posted by TheRavager
So Mikaboshi wasn't "the void" the predated creation, he was just an aspect of Oblivion. Sweet retcon!

Galactus takes on Scrier and The Other and nearly collapses all of reality!!! NOT HYPERBOLE! Odin vs Seth and their long dead galaxy feat...small potatoes.

Galactus clearly shows concern for Surfer and Thor, but has to be an dick to Thor after saving him to maintain his street cred.

DeMatteis is the man!

I would post links to scans but the board won't let me.

Anyway, Galactus just had a legit universe threatening fight, thoughts?

I have to say, I know it was a typo, but I was tickled silly at the grammatical creation of "an dick" in this post. I imagine some grizzled narrator saying it as though it were a great literary creation, just like "an historic."

👆

Originally posted by TheRavager
Nope, not the case at all. In the Galactus/Scrier/Other instance, we have nearly omniscient/abstract narrator observing the threat to the reality. A character with a vested interest in its cessation. Big difference. The omniscient narrator in the Odin/Seth instance never made such claims, only that long dead galaxies were destroyed and dying suns reignited.

Starlin has always had a more grounded view of the cosmic powerhouses. Also, the cosmics prepped for the war against the IG, a no prize explanation would be that there were safeguards put into place. Reality WAS nearly destroyed by Eternity/Infinity taking on the incomplete IG during Infinity War, however.

What I KNOW is that, from the perspective of Scrier/The Other/Oblivion, all characters with a high levels of cosmic awareness, the Galactus/Scrier/Other fight was straining reality to the point of breaking.

See? Forgettable garbage. All DeMatteis did here is line Mikaboshi back up within the existing cosmic hierarchy. Mikaboshi was a retconned Oblivion, now Mikaboshi has been retconned back into his rightful position.

There's no proof that the Cosmics did any kind of prep before the throwdown with Thanos (or the unexpected throwdown with Nebula later), it wasn't even hinted at.

Also Eternity AND Infinity combined >>>>>>>>>>>>>Galactus/Epoch/2 Celestials/Order/Chaos/Love/Hate/Kronos/Stranger/Death, so if two of the most powerful abstracts in the universe throw down vs even an incomplete IG, sh|t is gonna get wrecked.

This doesn't save the garbage in that Thor Annual. How could Galactus/Scrier/Other or Seth/Odin output MORE power than the entire Cosmic Hierarchy (Death/Galactus/Stranger/Epoch/Kronos/Love/Hate/Order/Chaos/2 Celestials)?

Originally posted by zopzop
[B]Oblivion is not omniscient. Not even close. He was duped by his own Avatar and had to be saved by Infinity (who saw right through Maelstrom's plan) using her Avatar, Quasar.

Oblivion was established as very nearly omniscient in Thor Annual 1. He knew the thoughts/motivations/secrets of nearly everyone in the issue, only Galactus' thoughts were described as "impenetrable". He was very much portrayed as a NEARLY omniscient narrator.

There's no proof that the Cosmics did any kind of prep before the throwdown with Thanos (or the unexpected throwdown with Nebula later), it wasn't even hinted at.

Yes, that's why it is called a NO PRIZE explanation.

Also Eternity AND Infinity combined >>>>>>>>>>>>>Galactus/Epoch/2 Celestials/Order/Chaos/Love/Hate/Kronos/Stranger/Death, so if two of the most powerful abstracts in the universe throw down vs even an incomplete IG, sh|t is gonna get wrecked.

It was an Eternity/Infinity vs an incomplete IG, the Magus was overwhelmed quickly in the end and yet reality was nearly wiped out. Simple logic dictates that a prolonged struggle between Eternity and a COMPLETE IG should have a greater power output...you know since an incomplete IG isn't anywhere near the power of a complete one.

This doesn't save the garbage in that Thor Annual. How could Galactus/Scrier/Other or Seth/Odin output MORE power than the entire Cosmic Hierarchy (Death/Galactus/Stranger/Epoch/Kronos/Love/Hate/Order/Chaos/2 Celestials)?

Different story, different circumstances. As a story, the Thor Annual was actually very good. Well written, proper characterizations, proper motivations, respect/deference to continuity that has been sorely lacking at Marvel for the last 5+ years. You don't like universe threatening fights. You don't like that Galactus provided a better space cheese fight than Odin ever has. I get it. This Annual, however, was certainly no garbage.