Galactus vs. Scrier vs. The Other - The Mighty Thor Annual #1 SPOILERS/SCANS!

Originally posted by TheRavager
Oblivion was established as very nearly omniscient in Thor Annual 1. He knew the thoughts/motivations/secrets of everyone in the issue. He was very much portrayed as a NEARLY omniscient narrator.

It was an Eternity/Infinity vs an incomplete IG, the Magus was overwhelmed quickly in the end and yet reality was nearly wiped out. Simple logic dictates that a prolonged struggle between Eternity and a COMPLETE IG should have a greater power output...you know since an incomplete IG isn't anywhere near the power of a complete one.

Different story, different circumstances. As a story, the Thor Annual was actually very good. Well written, proper characterizations, proper motivations, respect/deference to continuity that has been sorely lacking at Marvel for the last 5+ years. You don't like universe threatening fights. You don't like that Galactus provided a better space cheese fight than Odin ever has. I get it. This Annual, however, was certainly no garbage.

So... is this an actual fight, or just a pointless thread now?

Originally posted by zopzop
Oblivion couldn't even tell that his lackey was making a fool of him (as pointed out by Infinity herself). That's some crappy omniscience right there. I mean it's not like his (Maelstrom's) plan was some big secret. Eon AND Infinity were aware of it.

Again, Oblivion displayed high levels of cosmic awareness in this issue. He was portrayed as very nearly omniscient here. Have you ever heard of PIS? It happens.

This has nothing to do with the fact that Odin/Seth or Galactus/Scrier/Other, if taking narration or third party comments as "gospel", outputted more power than the entire Cosmic Hierarchy.

Nor does the fact that a fight with the an incomplete Guantlet seemed to have greater output/effect on reality than a fight against a complete one. Face it, there are inconsistencies is comics. Different writers have different views of power levels.

No, it was garbage.

You are entitled to your opinion, even though it is wrong.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
So... is this an actual fight, or just a pointless thread now?

I intended to post scans, but the board has restricted me from posting links.

Originally posted by zopzop
And Colossus Big C is right, this retcon just fxxked sh|t up even more. According to it Oblivion>>>>>CK=Eternity>>>>>>>>>Death (since a mere aspect of Oblivion made an Abstract flee the universe).

😂 👆

Since Eternity in CW#2 already mentioned that CK is the Void defined against him.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/CKDarkHalfofEternity2.jpg?t=1303174639

But is this where it was only shown or mentioned on panel of what Eternity stated about CK being true?Here's on panel showing of what occured in a 2003 Defenders issue were Dormammu ended up inside Eternity.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuRemadesTheMultiverseInstead1.jpg

The void inside Eternity is shown in that issue.Now you can say the mess up of the cosmic hierarchy would have started in that Defenders issue since that's the first time the void inside Eternity was shown.In fact, I thought Oblivion and Eternity are one and the same because of that issue.And it made Eternity an Anti-Infinity since Oblivion is the force that is against Infinity.But the Thor Annual made it a bigger mess.

Oblivion>>>CK(since he's an aspect of Oblivion)=Eternity=Infinity>>>>>Death(she ran away from an aspect of Oblivion)

If anything, at least Oblivion confirmed that CK destroyed 98.76% of the Multiverse since he stated he came close. 🙄 and CK is just an aspect of Oblivion.

Are Big C and ZopZop the same poster?

Originally posted by Nihilist
Are Big C and ZopZop the same poster?

Galactus would probably win this match up. He seemed confident to take on both Scrier and The Other at the same time. Their attacks didn't seem to affect Galactus all that much, while Galactus' attacks made them reel in pain.

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
It didn't threaten the multiverse, the narration just said it was "felt on every plane of reality"

Strange did claim that it was "tearing at the very fabric of the multiverse" , along with the fact that it would "imperil untold galaxies" .

Now , whether his opinion in this regard matters or not , whether people want to dismiss it as mere hyperbole , I'll leave it to the onlookers to decide .

And here I thought that the cosmic Hierarchy in marvel couldn't get more of a mess.

Originally posted by zopzop
This doesn't save the garbage in that Thor Annual. How could Galactus/Scrier/Other or Seth/Odin output MORE power than the entire Cosmic Hierarchy (Death/Galactus/Stranger/Epoch/Kronos/Love/Hate/Order/Chaos/2 Celestials)?

Galactus is just that good 131

Deal with it 😈

Originally posted by TheRavager
Again, Oblivion displayed high levels of cosmic awareness in this issue. He was portrayed as very nearly omniscient here. Have you ever heard of PIS? It happens.

Nor does the fact that a fight with the an incomplete Guantlet seemed to have greater output/effect on reality than a fight against a complete one. Face it, there are inconsistencies is comics. Different writers have different views of power levels.

You are entitled to your opinion, even though it is wrong.

Also as for the cosmic hierarchy that's one thing I hate about this is that it turns into crazy mess.

But with regards to CK and Oblivion, while CK may have only been an aspect of Oblivion it is possible due to all the pantheons he absorbed that CK could have surpassed the entirety of Oblivion or was drawing on all or most of the power of an amped concept of Oblivion.

For Example, say Thanos created a Thanosi that contained a small aspect of himself but that Thanosi somehow got the HOTU well then that Thanosi would obviously be stronger than Thanos.

Or another idea is perhaps that the more CK destroyed the stronger the abstract concept of Oblivion grew and CK was calling on all or most of an amped Oblivion's powers or something along those lines.

An example could be the Juggernaut. He is an aspect of Cyttorak's power, but say Cyttorak was getting an amp because Juggeranut was turning parts of reality into the Crimson Cosmos, and Cyttorak was allowing the Juggernaut to use most if not all of Cyttorak's power. So while even though Juggernaut is only an aspect he is roughly equal to the entire concept.

I don't know you could say the definitely one way or the other but it makes sense to me.

Also the Thor annual was definitely really good imo. I wish to see more stories written in that same vein.

Also as for Odin vs Galactus I think everyone agrees more or less that Galactus is greater, but depending on writer you could make a case that Odin could possibly give Galactus a decent bout under the right circumstances.

Odin is after all the premiere power on his level for a reason.

Originally posted by Newjak
It might be important to note, it was self described near omnipotence. It could have been Oblivion tooting his own horn, considering it seemed like he couldn't focus on two areas at the same time. The instance being he was looking at Thor then he had to turn his gaze from Thor to Galactus and even than when Galactus and Scrier wanted to talk they were able to cloud themselves from him.

Also as for the cosmic hierarchy that's one thing I hate about this is that it turns into crazy mess.

But with regards to CK and Oblivion, while CK may have only been an aspect of Oblivion it is possible due to all the pantheons he absorbed that CK could have surpassed the entirety of Oblivion or was drawing on all or most of the power of an amped concept of Oblivion.

For Example, say Thanos created a Thanosi that contained a small aspect of himself but that Thanosi somehow got the HOTU well then that Thanosi would obviously be stronger than Thanos.

Or another idea is perhaps that the more CK destroyed the stronger the abstract concept of Oblivion grew and CK was calling on all or most of an amped Oblivion's powers or something along those lines.

An example could be the Juggernaut. He is an aspect of Cyttorak's power, but say Cyttorak was getting an amp because Juggeranut was turning parts of reality into the Crimson Cosmos, and Cyttorak was allowing the Juggernaut to use most if not all of Cyttorak's power. So while even though Juggernaut is only an aspect he is roughly equal to the entire concept.

I don't know you could say the definitely one way or the other but it makes sense to me.

Also the Thor annual was definitely really good imo. I wish to see more stories written in that same vein.

Also as for Odin vs Galactus I think everyone agrees more or less that Galactus is greater, but depending on writer you could make a case that Odin could possibly give Galactus a decent bout under the right circumstances.

Odin is after all the premiere power on his level for a reason.

Plus , Oblivion broke 4th wall in this issue :
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/232/oblivion4thwall.jpg/

From the above scan , the closing of this comic issue seems to imply that it wasn't Scrier , but Oblivion who was pulling the strings .

Hmm good issue. Particularly nice to see the Scrier return as he seems like a really intriguing cosmic schemer with the potential for great future storylines. Also good to see Galactus getting his dues after the continuity as well as storytelling debacle that was Chaos war.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Scrier was also aware of Oblivion monitoring them .

Originally posted by basilisk
Although it's also possible that he was either just making an educated guess that Oblivion would be watching those events and calling him on it (the same way a character might think "I know the Watcher must be observing this" during some big event), or that he just thinks Oblivion is "everywhere" and relatively omniscient.

Scrier : "I know you're there Oblivion--and I warn you : Don't meddle in my affairs ."

I don't think that Scrier was merely making an educated guess .

Originally posted by Newjak
It might be important to note, it was self described near omnipotence. It could have been Oblivion tooting his own horn, considering it seemed like he couldn't focus on two areas at the same time. The instance being he was looking at Thor then he had to turn his gaze from Thor to Galactus and even than when Galactus and Scrier wanted to talk they were able to cloud themselves from him.

Also as for the cosmic hierarchy that's one thing I hate about this is that it turns into crazy mess.

But with regards to CK and Oblivion, while CK may have only been an aspect of Oblivion it is possible due to all the pantheons he absorbed that CK could have surpassed the entirety of Oblivion or was drawing on all or most of the power of an amped concept of Oblivion.

For Example, say Thanos created a Thanosi that contained a small aspect of himself but that Thanosi somehow got the HOTU well then that Thanosi would obviously be stronger than Thanos.

Or another idea is perhaps that the more CK destroyed the stronger the abstract concept of Oblivion grew and CK was calling on all or most of an amped Oblivion's powers or something along those lines.

An example could be the Juggernaut. He is an aspect of Cyttorak's power, but say Cyttorak was getting an amp because Juggeranut was turning parts of reality into the Crimson Cosmos, and Cyttorak was allowing the Juggernaut to use most if not all of Cyttorak's power. So while even though Juggernaut is only an aspect he is roughly equal to the entire concept.

I don't know you could say the definitely one way or the other but it makes sense to me.

Also the Thor annual was definitely really good imo. I wish to see more stories written in that same vein.

Also as for Odin vs Galactus I think everyone agrees more or less that Galactus is greater, but depending on writer you could make a case that Odin could possibly give Galactus a decent bout under the right circumstances.

Odin is after all the premiere power on his level for a reason.

Not omnipotence . Omnipresence .

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/oblivionomnipresence.jpg/

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Not omnipotence . Omnipresence .

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/oblivionomnipresence.jpg/

There's a lot of Omnis out there.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And here I thought that the cosmic Hierarchy in marvel couldn't get more of a mess.

Originally posted by Newjak
It might be important to note, it was self described near omnipotence. It could have been Oblivion tooting his own horn, considering it seemed like he couldn't focus on two areas at the same time. The instance being he was looking at Thor then he had to turn his gaze from Thor to Galactus and even than when Galactus and Scrier wanted to talk they were able to cloud themselves from him.

Also as for the cosmic hierarchy that's one thing I hate about this is that it turns into crazy mess.

But with regards to CK and Oblivion, while CK may have only been an aspect of Oblivion it is possible due to all the pantheons he absorbed that CK could have surpassed the entirety of Oblivion or was drawing on all or most of the power of an amped concept of Oblivion.

For Example, say Thanos created a Thanosi that contained a small aspect of himself but that Thanosi somehow got the HOTU well then that Thanosi would obviously be stronger than Thanos.

Or another idea is perhaps that the more CK destroyed the stronger the abstract concept of Oblivion grew and CK was calling on all or most of an amped Oblivion's powers or something along those lines.

An example could be the Juggernaut. He is an aspect of Cyttorak's power, but say Cyttorak was getting an amp because Juggeranut was turning parts of reality into the Crimson Cosmos, and Cyttorak was allowing the Juggernaut to use most if not all of Cyttorak's power. So while even though Juggernaut is only an aspect he is roughly equal to the entire concept.

I don't know you could say the definitely one way or the other but it makes sense to me.

Also the Thor annual was definitely really good imo. I wish to see more stories written in that same vein.

Also as for Odin vs Galactus I think everyone agrees more or less that Galactus is greater, but depending on writer you could make a case that Odin could possibly give Galactus a decent bout under the right circumstances.

Odin is after all the premiere power on his level for a reason.

Now on to his supposed power level. Keep in mind during the Quasar "Cosmos in Collision" arc, he faced down Infinity and her Avatar, Quasar. It was Quasar with cosmic awareness and Infinity's power vs Maelstrom with cosmic awareness + Anomaly's power + the Quantum Bands (amping Maelstrom) + Oblivion's power and guess what? It was a stalemate! Infinity's power by itself was enough to match Oblivion's + the Q-bands (that were amping Maelstrom's inherent powers) + Anomaly. Also Infinity's power, working through her Avatar, Quasar, was enough to reverse the mega black hole that Maelstrom unleashed upon the universe. At the conclusion of the fight, Death and Eternity joined Oblivion and Infinity and they were negotiating a new contract. Quasar stated that of all the abstracts these 4 were the most powerful. It was also stated repeatedly (by Eternity himself) that Eternity and Infinity are merely two sides of the same coin. So Eternity = Infinity.

Now all of a sudden a mere aspect of Oblivion is Eternity's equal and causes Death to flee? Aspect of Oblivion =Eternity=Infinity>>>>>Death?! Fxxk that, that's moronic.

Originally posted by Bentley
Galactus is just that good 131

Deal with it 😈

Originally posted by zopzop
Go back to jerking off to your Thanos poster if you got nothing constructive to add to this discussion.

Do i jerk off as much as you do to that shitty Chaos War/Chaos King?