Odin vs Depowered Tyrant slugfest

Originally posted by TheRavager
No need to brush up on "debating skills", especially when the this debate leads directly to Thanos which is guaranteed to leave all Odin-wankers in an uproar.

Yes, in a slugfest Odin wins...

...the race to unconsciousness.

P.S. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit

Anyway, Thanos was smiling when he left Tyrant after their scuffle.

But, after a taste of Odin, well, he seemed "unwell". hehe.

I'm not even going to touch on the "Did Odin defeat Thanos?" debate. It doesn't matter.

What matters, is this:

After battle with Tyrant-

After Battle with Odin-

To emphasize my point-

After Tyrant:
Happy Thanos

After Odin:
Sad Thanos aka, Smokey Thanos, Shaky Thanos, Crumbly Thanos, etc

Originally posted by Horrificus
To emphasize my point-

After Tyrant:
[b]Happy Thanos

After Odin:
Sad Thanos aka, Smokey Thanos, Shaky Thanos, Crumbly Thanos, etc
[/B]

Funny thing is he RAN from one of them (after he had prep by studying his opponent), yet was willing to continue the fight vs the other.

PS Thank God for the ignore function.2guns

Originally posted by Horrificus
To emphasize my point-

After Tyrant:
[b]Happy Thanos

After Odin:
Sad Thanos aka, Smokey Thanos, Shaky Thanos, Crumbly Thanos, etc
[/B]

You got it backwards & emphasized the wrong points.

After Tyrant:
Admission that he would die if the fight continued. Even with an amp.

After Odin:
I'm ready for round 2.

Originally posted by zopzop
Funny thing is he RAN from one of them (after he had prep by studying his opponent), yet was willing to continue the fight vs the other.

PS Thank God for the ignore function.2guns

OK, that's better.

Ran from Tyrant?
Thanos did not "run" in the sense that you are portraying the scene. Why mislead?
His Goal Was Attained.
He accomplished his mission, kept the orb, survived Tyrants attack and saw the whole thing as a victory.
Thanos declares (smiling)- "The contest is far more valuable than the prize. And in this particular contest, the victory is mine". Yeah, he was scared. 🙄 🙄 🙄

Willing to continue the fight with Odin? (This is tricky)
He did not want to continue the fight in the way you are saying he did. And this situation has caused lots of trouble in this forum.
Had Not Attained His Goal.
Thanos was there to accomplish a mission. And, to do this, he needed Odin. He felt that Odin was too far gone to communicate with and the only way he could accomplish his mission was if he could subdue him. In the mind of Thanos, he was in "the right", the same way Spiderman or Silver Surfer would see their parts in the situation.
The mistake that Thanos-thumpers make when they delve into this conflict, is that they see it as a potential loss or black-mark against Thanos. Instead of seeing it for what it really is. A successful portrayal of the depth of his character. It is a "win", although they don't see it that way, therefore they continue to argue that Thanos was not beaten.
The point is that he was beaten, "battle-wise". But, he was not "defeated" and would not be until he was either dead, unconscious or successful.
This was a very cool scene which, unfortunately, was lost on many readers.
Anyway,
Thanos was unready to admit defeat, because it would mean that he had failed. But, that does not mean he wasn't beaten.
"Admitting Defeat" is a choice. He was offered the chance to do so after a sound beating.
"Being Beaten" was forced upon him.

2 different things.
Odin offers- "Do you yield villain?". (This option is rarely offered by the losing opponent. 😆 )
Thanos, barely able to stand, still determined.- "No". (A lot like the scene where Spidey recently went up against Colossonaut, with no chance, but still refused to give up.)

It is the most revealing scene yet, for Thanos, showing a heroic, proud, almost regal side to him that isn't usually seen.

Originally posted by Sundipped
You got it backwards & emphasized the wrong points.

After Tyrant:
Admission that he would die if the fight continued. Even with an amp.

If somebody wants to kill me, (as many of you probably do 😄), it doesn't mean that you CAN. Especially if the person that wants to kill me, cannot beat me in combat. It means that they may try again. Or, they may try to figure out another way. Or, I had better watch my back.

And, I am sure they would kill me if they figure out how to do it.

The page goes on to show that Thanos thinks he can take whatever Tyrant can give. He GLOATS about it, right in the face of Tyrant.

Then, he finishes the panel by stating the fact that, in his eyes, he has already won over Tyrant.

Thanos (With a smile)- "Further struggle is pointless. I have withstood you and I have obtained all that I sought. Our business is concluded".

Originally posted by Horrificus
First of all... Ignore what? Why a dick?

OK, that's better.

Ran from Tyrant?
Thanos did not "run" in the sense that you are portraying the scene. Why mislead?
[b]His Goal Was Attained.
He accomplished his mission, kept the orb, survived Tyrants attack and saw the whole thing as a victory.
Thanos declares (smiling)- "The contest is far more valuable than the prize. And in this particular contest, the victory is mine". Yeah, he was scared. 🙄 🙄 🙄

Willing to continue the fight with Odin? (This is tricky)
He did not want to continue the fight in the way you are saying he did. And this situation has caused lots of trouble in this forum.
Had Not Attained His Goal.
Thanos was there to accomplish a mission. And, to do this, he needed Odin. He felt that Odin was too far gone to communicate with and the only way he could accomplish his mission was if he could subdue him. In the mind of Thanos, he was in "the right", the same way Spiderman or Silver Surfer would see their parts in the situation.
The mistake that Thanos-thumpers make when they delve into this conflict, is that they see it as a potential loss or black-mark against Thanos. Instead of seeing it for what it really is. A successful portrayal of the depth of his character. It is a "win", although they don't see it that way, therefore they continue to argue that Thanos was not beaten.
The point is that he was beaten, "battle-wise". But, he was not "defeated" and would not be until he was either dead, unconscious or successful.
This was a very cool scene which, unfortunately, was lost on many readers.
Anyway,
Thanos was unready to admit defeat, because it would mean that he had failed. But, that does not mean he wasn't beaten.
"Admitting Defeat" is a choice. He was offered the chance to do so after a sound beating.
"Being Beaten" was forced upon him.
[/B]

Back to /ignore.

Originally posted by zopzop
He RAN from Tyrant, he stayed vs Odin. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

Back to /ignore.

"Ignore". Is that some sort of new, forum slight? Am I black-listed? Do I have to give up my skateboard and my Justin Bieber posters now?

"Ignore". So funny. Maybe I should be reported. Or, you should post some clever memes that allude to me being unworthy of notice.

Maybe a neat little insult-barrage spelled out in the newest smilies! You and your pals can giggle from your keyboards.

Anyway. Back to your post:

People who are running from danger are not delighted about it and claiming triumph.

You are making a claim that goes against the art and writing of the book in question.

Recently, another forum member has take a LOT of flack for claiming that Thanos was NOT defeated by Odin, although the book clearly showed and stated that he was.

But, because he was considered a Thanos Fanboy, he was slammed pretty hard.

You are basically doing the same thing, making a statement that is not supported on panel, or, at best, restructuring the ink so it fits your argument.

But, I guess you are "cool", so nobody is busting on you. 🙄

Anyway, by your criteria, any time a character has teleported, or somehow, moved away from a conflict, regardless of what is stated or shown, all other details of the story should be discounted and a "defeat" should be declared.

Also, according to your view, the fact that Thanos was beaten into smokey dirt by Odin, is a more positive outcome for Thanos, simply because he was able to utter the word "No" as he struggled to stand.

Um, yeah, he was doing much better there, than as he smiled, gloated and winked away from an impotent Tyrant.

Really? ZZ, is that really what you are saying?

Type it clearly, right here below my post. Now that everybody has had a chance to see the scans, read the words and understand what we are talking about, go ahead and tell us that Thanos fared better against Odin than he did against Tyrant.

Horrificus has been horrifically OWNED.

Horrificus presents an argument as if the board hasn't read the encounters in question, as if a couple of out of context scans won't be seen through like a tight white cotton t-shirt in a wet t-shirt contest.

Horrificus, perhaps you should brush up on your debating skills. :-)

Originally posted by Horrificus
Not sure why you are being such a feminine hygiene product, but your argument is garbage.

"Ignore". Is that some sort of new, forum slight? Am I black-listed? Do I have to give up my skateboard and my Justin Bieber posters now?

"Ignore". So funny. Maybe I should be reported. Or, you should post some clever memes that allude to me being unworthy of notice.

Maybe a neat little insult-barrage spelled out in the newest smilies! You and your pals can giggle from your keyboards.

Anyway. Back to your post:

People who are running from danger are not delighted about it and claiming triumph.

You are making a claim that goes against the art and writing of the book in question.

Recently, another forum member has take a LOT of flack for claiming that Thanos was NOT defeated by Odin, although the book clearly showed and stated that he was.

But, because he was considered a Thanos Fanboy, he was slammed pretty hard.

You are basically doing the same thing, making a statement that is not supported on panel, or, at best, restructuring the ink so it fits your argument.

But, I guess you are "cool", so nobody is busting on you. 🙄

Anyway, by your criteria, any time a character has teleported, or somehow, moved away from a conflict, regardless of what is stated or shown, all other details of the story should be discounted and a "defeat" should be declared.

Also, according to your view, the fact that Thanos was beaten into smokey dirt by Odin, is a more positive outcome for Thanos, simply because he was able to utter the word "No" as he struggled to stand.

Um, yeah, he was doing much better there, than as he smiled, gloated and winked away from an impotent Tyrant.

Really? ZZ, is that really what you are saying?

Type it clearly, right here below my post. Now that everybody has had a chance to see the scans, read the words and understand what we are talking about, go ahead and tell us that Thanos fared better against Odin than he did against Tyrant.

But I stand by my comment, Tyrant said he'd make Thanos stop breathing, Thanos said no doubt he could if given the chance then TPed away from the fight.

Thanos didn't flee from Odin at all. Thanos didn't go to Asgard seeking a fight with Odin. Thanos didn't take 6 issues prepping and reading up on Odin. Thanos didn't have an amp (arguable) vs Odin.

Originally posted by Horrificus
First of all... Ignore what? Why a dick?

OK, that's better.

Ran from Tyrant?
Thanos did not "run" in the sense that you are portraying the scene. Why mislead?
[b]His Goal Was Attained.
He accomplished his mission, kept the orb, survived Tyrants attack and saw the whole thing as a victory.
Thanos declares (smiling)- "The contest is far more valuable than the prize. And in this particular contest, the victory is mine". Yeah, he was scared. 🙄 🙄 🙄

Willing to continue the fight with Odin? (This is tricky)
He did not want to continue the fight in the way you are saying he did. And this situation has caused lots of trouble in this forum.
Had Not Attained His Goal.
Thanos was there to accomplish a mission. And, to do this, he needed Odin. He felt that Odin was too far gone to communicate with and the only way he could accomplish his mission was if he could subdue him. In the mind of Thanos, he was in "the right", the same way Spiderman or Silver Surfer would see their parts in the situation.
The mistake that Thanos-thumpers make when they delve into this conflict, is that they see it as a potential loss or black-mark against Thanos. Instead of seeing it for what it really is. A successful portrayal of the depth of his character. It is a "win", although they don't see it that way, therefore they continue to argue that Thanos was not beaten.
The point is that he was beaten, "battle-wise". But, he was not "defeated" and would not be until he was either dead, unconscious or successful.
This was a very cool scene which, unfortunately, was lost on many readers.
Anyway,
Thanos was unready to admit defeat, because it would mean that he had failed. But, that does not mean he wasn't beaten.
"Admitting Defeat" is a choice. He was offered the chance to do so after a sound beating.
"Being Beaten" was forced upon him.

2 different things.
Odin offers- "Do you yield villain?". (This option is rarely offered by the losing opponent. 😆 )
Thanos, barely able to stand, still determined.- "No". (A lot like the scene where Spidey recently went up against Colossonaut, with no chance, but still refused to give up.)

It is the most revealing scene yet, for Thanos, showing a heroic, proud, almost regal side to him that isn't usually seen.

Admission that he would die?
That is not what Thanos admits. Although Tyrant is basically saying that he is going to kill Thanos, Thanos just says that he is sure Tyrant would, if he had a chance. But, obviously that does not mean that Tyrant CAN.

If somebody wants to kill me, (as many of you probably do 😄), it doesn't mean that you CAN. Especially if the person that wants to kill me, cannot beat me in combat. It means that they may try again. Or, they may try to figure out another way. Or, I had better watch my back.

And, I am sure they would kill me if they figure out how to do it.

The page goes on to show that Thanos thinks he can take whatever Tyrant can give. He GLOATS about it, right in the face of Tyrant.

Then, he finishes the panel by stating the fact that, in his eyes, he has already won over Tyrant.

Thanos (With a smile)- "Further struggle is pointless. I have withstood you and I have obtained all that I sought. Our business is concluded".
[/B]

😖leep:

Horrificus this is sad. If you're going to post scans you could at least interpret them correctly. You type a bunch of text littered with impaired judgement. Or is it you really know the truth but are in so in favor of one character that you try to twist it to mislead the masses? Only thing is, the masses here at KMC can see that your logic is flawed.

After testing Tyrants strength, Thanos said "Im sure you would" meaning there is no denying his life would have ended if that conflict continued.
POINT BLANK PERIOD.

You're insinuating Odin was a tougher opponent, meanwhile not correctly comprehending on panel statements. It was a victory for Thanos just to be able to go a round while ampedand leave with the source of his amp. He quickly opened a portal & departed. Sharp contrast to not yeilding with Odin. Minus that amp I might add.

Once again I know what to expect in response: More of your twisted logic. 👇

Originally posted by TheRavager
Horrificus has been horrifically OWNED.

Horrificus presents an argument as if the board hasn't read the encounters in question, as if a couple of out of context scans won't be seen through like a tight white cotton t-shirt in a wet t-shirt contest.

Horrificus, perhaps you should brush up on your debating skills. :-)

Sorry. I will address what you guys said in detail.

But, for the most part, you aren't really going after anything specific.

Just saying "no no no no, I don't like that", isn't shooting down my argument or giving me a good idea where to go.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Sorry. I will address what you guys said in detail.

But, for the most part, you aren't really going after anything specific.

Just saying "no no no no, I don't like that", isn't shooting down my argument or giving me a good idea where to go.

There's no need to break down your arguments point by point, it's far easier to own you via context. And make no mistake, context most definitely renders ALL of your "points" on this matter moot.

Sundipped, not sure what your problem was with my post, as far as flow, direction, explanation and presentation, but I will get to that.

Originally posted by Sundipped
😖leep:

Horrificus this is sad. If you're going to post scans you could at least interpret them correctly. You type a bunch of text littered with impaired judgement. Or is it you really know the truth but are in so in favor of one character that you try to twist it to mislead the masses? Only thing is, the masses here at KMC can see that your logic is flawed.

After testing Tyrants strength, Thanos said "Im sure you would" meaning there is no denying his life would have ended if that conflict continued. [B]
POINT BLANK PERIOD.

You're insinuating Odin was a tougher opponent, meanwhile not correctly comprehending on panel statements. It was a victory for Thanos just to be able to go a round while ampedand leave with the source of his amp. He quickly opened a portal & departed. Sharp contrast to not yeilding with Odin. Minus that amp I might add.

Once again I know what to expect in response: More of your twisted logic. 👇 [/B]

And, you are the one that is obviously insane.

I posted panels, showing comparisons of the condition Thanos was in after each opponent.

How can you just ignore that? Thanos was OUT of it after Odin. He was 100% after Tyrant.

After Odin, all he had left was some pride and some resolve.

After Tyrant, he proclaimed himself victorious.

You guys claim that Tyrant could have just turned around and killed Thanos.

Why the hell didn't he? Couldn't he? Why didn't it happen?

Here are the facts:

Tyrant
1. Thanos was in Much Better Shape after taking all Tyrant had to give. It was stated so on panel. "I have withstood you." THAT is what he said, with a smile and a declaration of victory. If the orb did anything, maybe it let Thanos give Tyrant a couple shots that he wouldn't normally have gotten in or something. But, compared to what Tyrant had, it was nothing. It didn't matter. And, Thanos did not look that bad against Tyrant at all, considering what he was fighting.
Thanos was FINE after Tyrant.

Odin
2. Thanos was a freaking mess after his battle with Odin. The only reason he stood up was because Odin allowed it. Without that breather, there would have been no chance for Thanos to say "No".
He had no chance. All he managed to do a couple times was make Odin mad and ruffle his beard. NOTHING Thanos did effected Odin.
And, Odin messed him up.
The only reason he was able to say he doesn't yield, is because Odin allowed it in the first place.
Thanos was NOT FINE after Odin.

Judging by those 2 conflicts, Thanos fared better against Tyrant. Odin was the more devastating opponent. Period.

Now, are you guys disputing this fact?

Which image shows proof of success and which shows failure?

-------------After Battling Odin----------------------------After Battling Thanos-------------

Originally posted by Sundipped
😖leep:

Horrificus this is sad. If you're going to post scans you could at least interpret them correctly. You type a bunch of text littered with impaired judgement. .

[/B]

Sorry you couldn't follow my posts. You will see that they pretty much follow the same format:
I guess some of them ran on.

Statement I was debating against.:
Ran from Tyrant?

My argument:
Thanos did not "run" in the sense that you are portraying the scene. Why mislead?

Explanation:
His Goal Was Attained.

Details:
He accomplished his mission, kept the orb, survived Tyrants attack and saw the whole thing as a victory.

Quotes:
Thanos declares (smiling)- "The contest is far more valuable than the prize. And in this particular contest, the victory is mine". Yeah, he was scared. 🙄 🙄 🙄

Supporting Scan:

end result-

Ran from Tyrant?
Thanos did not "run" in the sense that you are portraying the scene. Why mislead?
His Goal Was Attained.
He accomplished his mission, kept the orb, survived Tyrants attack and saw the whole thing as a victory.
Thanos declares (smiling)- "The contest is far more valuable than the prize. And in this particular contest, the victory is mine". Yeah, he was scared. 🙄 🙄 🙄

Originally posted by TheRavager
There's no need to break down your arguments point by point, it's far easier to own you via context. And make no mistake, context most definitely renders ALL of your "points" on this matter moot.

You seem to be nothing more than a "fluffer". 😆

Leave the arguing to the big boys.

Berating and instigating from the bleachers is just funny.

Originally posted by Horrificus
You, my fellow forum member, have contributed nothing to your teams argument.

You seem to be nothing more than a "fluffer". 😆

Leave the arguing to the big boys.

Berating and instigating from the bleachers is just funny.

Don't be resentful, Horrificus. Your lack of objectivity is obvious to anyone who has read the stories, as is the misconstrued context of your carefully selected and deliberately misleading scans.

Do you honestly think your scan barrage is going to change the opinions of those who have actually read the stories in question?

😆

I would think that the amount of effort that Tyrant expended against the Titan, would be compared to the amount of effort that Odin expended against Thanos as a rule of thumb.

The scans above are simply not enough to justify many of the arguments from both sides. After all, there are two different artists at play. Odin in my opinion expended less energy in dealing with Thanos; it wasn't a wrestling match like the one that Tyrant had with Thanos, although Tyrant was clearly the aggressor, or dominant force on the battlefield he still expended more energy in the conflict.

Odin would win, but he would work overtime for it.

Originally posted by Stoic
I would think that the amount of effort that Tyrant expended against the Titan, would be compared to the amount of effort that Odin expended against Thanos as a rule of thumb.

The scans above are simply not enough to justify many of the arguments from both sides. After all, [b]there are two different artists at play. Odin in my opinion expended less energy in dealing with Thanos; it wasn't a wrestling match like the one that Tyrant had with Thanos, although Tyrant was clearly the aggressor, or dominant force on the battlefield he still expended more energy in the conflict.

Odin would win, but he would work overtime for it. [/B]