Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Elaborate.
That you guys don't really believe it? You don't, you can't if you examine the evidence.... Tyrant is simply on another level than Odin and this being a fist fight doesn't change that fact. Tyrant exchanged blows with Galactus... shit he even laughed and mocked Galactus and said if you cut off one of my arms I'll just instantly grow another back illustrating his healing factor and how little damage would effect him. Compare that in stark contrast to Odin one shotting himself on Galactus...
Horrificus.... It's really very simple and all there on panel. These are the facts you can't get around...
1. Thanos WANTED to fight Tyrant and went LOOKING for a fight
A. This is in STARK contrast to his encounter with Odin. he went seeking Odin's help not to fight him... You don't KO or Kill someone you're trying to seek help from for a bigger problem
2. Thanos PREPPED for his battle with Tyrant... he studied tyrant and even gained an amp for his battle with Tyrant
A. Again is in STARK contrst to his encounter with Odin. he neither prepped nor had an amp for Odin
3. Tyrant never admitted Thanos was in his league of power, the only thning credit he gave Thanos was that he was more powerful than the others that attacked him
A. Again this is in STARK contrast to the praise Odin gave Thanos.. Comparing his power reserves to that of his... saying he hadn't found such a tough foe in EONS
4. In his fight with Tyrant while amped and prepped... Thanos AGREED with Tyrant that if he stayed..Tyrant would kill him
A. That is is in STARK contrast to his conversation with Odin. Odin tried MULTIPLE times to get Thanos to back down or admit he was far above Thanos... Thanost NEVER backed down nor admitted Odin was out of his league
5. Tyrant beat Thanos is much quicker time
A. Odin took longer to get the better of Thanos
Seems very easy to conclude from the battles with Thanos.. That Tyrant is further above Thanos than Odin is. Very simple really and I'm not sure why it's being made so complicated or twisted.
Originally posted by Silent Master
My kitchen sink and the Fire Hydrant down the street have the same water reserves, that doesn't mean my sink is in the same "league of power" as the hydrant.
SOrry that is YOUR take on his statement... the complete opposite take is just as sound. Yet, what do you say about the... I haven't fought someone as tough as you in EONS
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
SOrry that is YOUR take on his statement... the complete opposite take is just as sound. Yet, what do you say about the... I haven't fought someone as tough as you in EONS
Tough and powerful are not the same thing, I've said from day one that the Odin/Thanos fight is a great durability feat for Thanos.
However, the fight also clearly shows that Thanos isn't even close to Odin's level of power.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So do you honestly think Thanos was a tougher fight for Odin than a grossly amped Surtur, Forsung, Celestials, etc.? Because if you're trying to take that statement at absolute face value, it's contradicted by other beings giving Odin a much more competitive fight and actually harming him.
So what are we doing here Jake... are you picking and choosing which statements you think fits YOUR view on a character and their power level? That's what it seems. As a rule you would agree that we need to take most statements and face value or else we being throwing out 99% of the proof we use to gain insight into a character and their power level. If this was one line.. with more lines contradicting said statement I might be inclined to agree with you. Yet, that was just one of few lines that backed up that general train of thought. When a writer (a authority higher than me or you) makes numerous statements to get a general point across... yes I believer that carries more weight than your view on a characters history and how that statement doesn't quite add up.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So what are we doing here Jake... are you picking and choosing which statements you think fits YOUR view on a character and their power level? That's what it seems. As a rule you would agree that we need to take most statements and face value or else we being throwing out 99% of the proof we use to gain insight into a character and their power level. If this was one line.. with more lines contradicting said statement I might be inclined to agree with you. Yet, that was just one of few lines that backed up that general train of thought. When a writer (a authority higher than me or you) makes numerous statements to get a general point across... yes I believer that carries more weight than your view on a characters history and how that statement doesn't quite add up.
Um, no, I wouldn't agree that we need to take most statements at face value. I've gone on record to say that statements need to be looked at per individual basis and not overwhelmingly cast aside or accepted. Either extreme is wrong, and in this specific case, Thanos certainly didn't give Odin a better fight than Surtur or the Enchanters or the Celestial Host. So yeah, Odin giving Thanos props and stating "I've not battled a foe like you in eons" is just a nice statement on Thanos' behalf, but when actually put up against Odin's fights which had taken place before that incident, is obviously not true.
The overall intent was that Thanos was impressive and able to weather Odin's punishment and gain his respect, I'll agree with that. But Thanos being the greatest fight Odin's ever had at that point? Absolutely false.
If we don't take most statement at face value then we are left with nothing. Because we can find contradictions... inconsistencies all throught comics to cast doubt on every statement every made. I don't think you're looking at the bigger picture there. Think about it... most any statement ever made about a character... we can go through there history and find another statement or action that contradicts it outright or cast some doubt on it's validity. If we do as you claim... we would be left with NOTHING. I agree that in some cases there needs to be some critical thinking and analysis on statements. Yet I believe those to be in the minority.. while you believe that to be the rule. So we do differ it seems on that front. Overall... I don't think we are far apart on the Thanos vs Odin fight and what to take from it. I agree with your overall view of it.. I just think it's slightly better take than you have it.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Incorrect, we are left with the actual fight and what it shows.
Regarding Thanos vs Tyrant :
Originally posted by zopzop
The infamous "Orb" issue, you know what I'm talkin' bout! 🙂[b]Part I - The Thanos Section
Thanos most definitely had prep going into the Tyrant fight. He sought out the person who had contact with him, survived and was willing to work with Thanos. That person was Terrax. Terrax told Thanos about the Orbs and how important they were to Tyrant. That he stores energy in the Orbs and can use it later as needed. Please note when he tells Thanos : Such a power reserve is Tyrant's greatest asset as well as his greatest vulnerability should it be turned against him.
Could this have been why Thanos was holding on to that Orb as if his life depended on it? Could this be why Thanos was blasting him and punching him with the Orb? Terrax's statement sort of fits what we later see Thanos doing in his fight vs Tyrant. [/B]
Thanos went to Asgard to enlist Odin's help in curing a Power Gem wielding lunatic Thor. He didn't go there looking for a fight. Asgard attacked first.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you miss the part where Thanos WANTED to fight Tyrant... The part where THanos STUDIED Tyrant looking for a weakness.. did you miss the part where thanos had an amp against tyrant that he didn't have against Odin? Surely you didn't Carver.. NOT YOU
Lol...I agree with you amazing post you put together previously. I'm undecided on this battle. You and Horrific are putting together some good points.
Originally posted by zopzop
But it's more than the actual fight, MANY times the lead up to the fight and the circumstances under which the fight takes place in are just as important.Regarding Thanos vs Tyrant :
Thanos had SIX issues of prep time AND an AMP vs Tyant.
Thanos went to Asgard to enlist Odin's help in curing a Power Gem wielding lunatic Thor. He didn't go there looking for a fight. Asgard attacked first.
The lead up to the Odin/Thanos fight doesn't change that the fight itself was a one sided beat down where Thanos ended up needing multiple panels just to struggle back to his feet.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The lead up to the Odin/Thanos fight doesn't change that the fight itself was a one sided beat down where Thanos ended up needing multiple panels just to struggle back to his feet.
Really... So Thanos prepping for Tyrant and getting an amp for a fight he went looking for.. changes nothing? LMAO ok... The fact that Thanos not only wasn't looking for a fight with Odin but seeking his help AND having to one shot asgard warriors RIGHT before he fought Odin.. means nothing... Nice logic.
