Consensus on being born gay?

Originally posted by Stoic
Well there seems to be good reasons attached to monogamous relationships, HIV and various other sexually transmitted diseases that can be contracted from leading a swingers lifestyle, are good reasons to remain faithful.

the real reason is the investment necessary in raising children for 4-5 years before they can do anything on their own.

AIDS, for instance, is what, 30-40 years old?

It has nothing to do with the superiority of monogamy, and very, very, very few animals are sexually monogamous even if they are socially monogamous (ie: they may have one life partner, but will still get some action on the side).

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
So maybe homosexuality could be deemed as no desire to spread one's seeds or little indifference to know one is perceived by society...

wut?

lots of homosexual people want and have children, whether by adoption or through a surrogate... Your second point is actually not a comprehensible English statement...

Originally posted by red g jacks
there are other pair bonding animals in nature, though none that i know of which include homosexual pair bonding.

very few species have any sort of bonding that is comparable to the massively cultural phenomenon that has become human relationships, unless you look at very surface level things.

yea, i'm sure that's true. i wasn't trying to say human-style monogamous relationships are mirrored in other species. just that its not unheard of for two animals to form a partnership if it's necessary to help ensure the survival of their offspring. obviously human relationships are more nuanced than that in reality. but i think the root evolutionary function is probably similar.

Originally posted by red g jacks
there are other pair bonding animals in nature, though none that i know of which include homosexual pair bonding.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/14479670

Originally posted by red g jacks
yea, i'm sure that's true. i wasn't trying to say human-style monogamous relationships are mirrored in other species. just that its not unheard of for two animals to form a partnership if it's necessary to help ensure the survival of their offspring. obviously human relationships are more nuanced than that in reality. but i think the root evolutionary function is probably similar.

oh, sure.

my point was more about pairing in wild animals being almost exclusively about mating and child rearing, the lack of "for pleasure" sex, lack of cultural definitions of what is or is not "homosexuality" or even "sexuality" in general.

A homosexual pairing almost wouldn't make sense, hence why it is so rare, because neither partner would have the biological responsibilities that comes with sex in the wild (where pregnancy is almost always the desired outcome).

I've always wondered what acultural human sexuality would look like, if such a thing could even exist. I've read articles that suggest moaning during sex is an invitation to group sex, though I'm not sure how much credit I'd put in that. It is true that the shape of the human penis, compared to other animals, is much more designed to "scoop" sperm out of a vagina, which would give one's own sperm an advantage to impregnate in a group sex setting... I guess provided you get endsies.

Originally posted by red g jacks
just came across this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/14479670

Wiki says something like 10% of male domesticated sheep do it too

There was a pair of male penguins at the Toronto Zoo that also seemed to pair up, but they both are now with females, so it wasn't a long term thing... Maybe they were going through a phase?

Originally posted by Oliver North
oh, sure.

my point was more about pairing in wild animals being almost exclusively about mating and child rearing, the lack of "for pleasure" sex, lack of cultural definitions of what is or is not "homosexuality" or even "sexuality" in general.

A homosexual pairing almost wouldn't make sense, hence why it is so rare, because neither partner would have the biological responsibilities that comes with sex in the wild (where pregnancy is almost always the desired outcome).

I've always wondered what acultural human sexuality would look like, if such a thing could even exist. I've read articles that suggest moaning during sex is an invitation to group sex, though I'm not sure how much credit I'd put in that. It is true that the shape of the human penis, compared to other animals, is much more designed to "scoop" sperm out of a vagina, which would give one's own sperm an advantage to impregnate in a group sex setting... I guess provided you get endsies.

Wiki says something like 10% of male domesticated sheep do it too

There was a pair of male penguins at the Toronto Zoo that also seemed to pair up, but they both are now with females, so it wasn't a long term thing... Maybe they were going through a phase?

hold on hold on are you telling us that you are curious and want an excuse to be gay for a little while just to test the waters? 😱

Originally posted by Oliver North
oh, sure.

my point was more about pairing in wild animals being almost exclusively about mating and child rearing, the lack of "for pleasure" sex, lack of cultural definitions of what is or is not "homosexuality" or even "sexuality" in general.

A homosexual pairing almost wouldn't make sense, hence why it is so rare, because neither partner would have the biological responsibilities that comes with sex in the wild (where pregnancy is almost always the desired outcome).

I've always wondered what acultural human sexuality would look like, if such a thing could even exist. I've read articles that suggest moaning during sex is an invitation to group sex, though I'm not sure how much credit I'd put in that. It is true that the shape of the human penis, compared to other animals, is much more designed to "scoop" sperm out of a vagina, which would give one's own sperm an advantage to impregnate in a group sex setting... I guess provided you get endsies.

Wiki says something like 10% of male domesticated sheep do it too

There was a pair of male penguins at the Toronto Zoo that also seemed to pair up, but they both are now with females, so it wasn't a long term thing... Maybe they were going through a phase?

Originally posted by rudester
hold on hold on are you telling us that you are curious and want an excuse to be gay for a little while just to test the waters? 😱

Yes, Oliver North is bi-curious

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I blame it on the decay of Christian Penguin ethics and the fragmentation of the family as the founding unit of penguin society.

those penguins found redemption in the penguin Christ though, so praise penguin Jesus! they no longer live in sin.

HAHA born again penguins

[for some reason I keep wanting to type "penguin" as "penguine"]

I don't believe your born gay
from the day you were born the environment that your born into everything starts to influence you, including relationships with other human beings or lack of, and the power that people hold on you; the ideas that form in your head are a result of those combined factors.

Also has to do with the pressure of reaching perfection which are implanted in are heads from when we are young. For example. Dad tells son don't do this, don't act like that, its wrong!

Originally posted by rudester
For example. Dad tells son don't do this, don't act like that, its wrong!

This has been the norm in almost every society in history, and all of them have had gay people.

How do you explain that if it is not something that is there naturally?

I'd also be a little more careful with the armchair psychology 🙁

Originally posted by Oliver North
This has been the norm in almost every society in history, and all of them have had gay people.

How do you explain that if it is not something that is there naturally?

I'd also be a little more careful with the armchair psychology 🙁

There was context to go along with that sentence you quoted. The previous sentence gives you that context. His commentary about the dad had nothing directly to do with homosexuality. He was making a more general point.

Also, he's gay, so you have misjudged him and his intentions.

/White Knight

Originally posted by Oliver North
Maybe they were going through a phase?

lol

anaphase 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
There was context to go along with that sentence you quoted. The previous sentence gives you that context. His commentary about the dad had nothing directly to do with homosexuality. He was making a more general point.

Also, he's gay, so you have misjudged him and his intentions.

/White Knight

if his "context" isn't to say "social pressures from parents can shape people's sexuality" it was a meaningless statement in the argument.

I couldn't care less if he is gay

Originally posted by dadudemon
There was context to go along with that sentence you quoted. The previous sentence gives you that context. His commentary about the dad had nothing directly to do with homosexuality. He was making a more general point.

Also, he's gay, so you have misjudged him and his intentions.

/White Knight

lol

anaphase 😐

lol 😄

Originally posted by dadudemon
lol

anaphase 😐

man, go high school bio...

I actually remember what that is, sort of...

The gay journey experience is different for everyone, I can not say that your wrong because it's been proven that there is a gay gene supposedly..lol

All I know is being gay means going to the doctor every 3 months to check for STD's. Means having a knowledge of STDS, means practising safe sex. It means being bullied. It means being looked at. It means being yourself. It's a hard life to choose but when its your life you have no other option.

My friends were accepting after they made fun of me for a while.

Things did change, for one they stopped wanting to eat my food..lol even after I had told them I was still a virgin.

There are things you have to put up with but I guess its worth it.

Originally posted by rudester

Things did change, for one they stopped wanting to eat my food..lol even after I had told them I was still a virgin.

They were probably scared you'd maul them. 🙁

Originally posted by rudester
The gay journey experience is different for everyone, I can not say that your wrong because it's been proven that there is a gay gene supposedly..lol

actually, no gay "gene" has been identified, and the psychological study of human sexuality, as limited as it is, suggests that there is a continuum of human sexual experience rather than just two distinct categories. If it were specifically linked to a gene, it would be expected to be more of a 1/0 distinction, not a gradation. This is why I think the hormone theory works well, and it is easier to explain in terms of evolution as well.

Originally posted by rudester
All I know is being gay means going to the doctor every 3 months to check for STD's. Means having a knowledge of STDS, means practising safe sex. It means being bullied. It means being looked at. It means being yourself. It's a hard life to choose but when its your life you have no other option.

My friends were accepting after they made fun of me for a while.

Things did change, for one they stopped wanting to eat my food..lol even after I had told them I was still a virgin.

There are things you have to put up with but I guess its worth it.

I'm fairly openly bi-sexual, for what its worth... its more complicated than that, I don't believe "gay" or "straight" are real categories any more than "tall" or "short" are, but ya, I am sort of aware of the stigma and harassment that comes along with it, I came out when I was 15/16. I had people who were really good friends just, literally, stop speaking to me, along with all the other jock bullshit (I was 6'1" and a 210lbs swimmer at the time, so I didn't really face a lot of physical abuse).

I'd argue the STD thing though. Sexual promiscuity is not a definitive quality of "gayness".

Originally posted by Oliver North
if his "context" isn't to say "social pressures from parents can shape people's sexuality" it was a meaningless statement in the argument.

No, it was that "people are pressured to perfection in society: here's an example". A potential derivative of his statement could be the exact opposite of your prior conclusion: maybe the reaction to that pressure from parents IS homosexuality, not conformance to the parental demand.

He is very sporadic in his thoughts and they are generally all over the place in a single post. He definitely is ADD (not an armchair assessment: he said he was).

Originally posted by Oliver North
I couldn't care less if he is gay

It certainly helps change the meaning behind his words because it appeared you mistook him for another Colossus type poster. You may say it doesn't matter, but it does when trying to understand where he is coming from with some of his posts.

Originally posted by Oliver North
I'd argue the STD thing though. Sexual promiscuity is not a definitive quality of "gayness".

I agree that it is not a definitive quality but aren't there multiple studies that show homosexual men (not women) have more sexual partners than their heterosexual counterparts?

One time one of my friends girlfriends took my cup by mistake... her boyfriend my friend screamed out quick run to the washroom; listerine, listerine... 😆

Originally posted by rudester
One time one of my friends girlfriends took my cup by mistake... her boyfriend my friend screamed out quick run to the washroom; listerine, listerine... 😆

Ahhh. Makes sense. He didn't want to catch "The Gay". It's a terrible disease.