Hulk vs Thor-One Last Time

Originally posted by The Sorrow
In WWH he was the angriest he's ever been and had to hold back his power when taking on the heroes. In FI he was calm when he grabbed the hammer, that would have to be a massive amp to bring him back to his actual WWH levels and that was just never shown to be the case on panel.

Hulk's was amped theres's no doubt about that, but honestly I can see why Carver doesn't consider a Hulk taking on Thor with an almost equally powerful partner, a Mjolnir equivalent, not holding back, amped, weather manipulation etc and still getting smacked around by Thor as equal to a Green Scar who defeated Sentry while holding back in WWH.

This is exactly what I am saying and have said. This doesnt even include the fact that Reed tech couldn't even get a cap on WWH power levels, he basically stated it was incalculable. Nul was powerful, no doubt but he showed nothing to make me believe he was stronger or more durable than WWH. Getting beat on by Thor and tanking it isn't enough, WWH damage soak exceeded that more than once during the WWH arc. The only thing someone might have going against this is a saying from a fodder Vampire saying Nul is stronger than a USUAL Hulk and another fodder vamp saying Hulk teeth should have came out from being hit by a dumbbell (lol) in the face.

Come at me Jake. Come at me bro.

Nul was an amped WWH. Flat out. And these weren't tiny amps. Thing beat Rulk, Attuma was able to best Silver Surfer, Kuurth could take it to a Juggernaut who was acting close to classic levels(Juggernaut staelamted WWH).

Acting like WWH wasn't amped is flat out not correct. Just because an amped WWH didn't decimate Thor like you wanted carver doesn't change the facts.

Also this is the last time I'm replying to you. Either you're a troll or really don't think these things through. Even fellow Hulk supporters get unto you about it.

Originally posted by carver9
Looking at fights, Hulk will always be above Thor, especially current Hulk.
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Can't find the scan where Hulk beats Thor to sleep with his own hammer.

Hulk>>>>>>>>Thor/Heralds.

Hold up, Carter. You serious with these scans showing Hulk > Thor?

Let's analyze...

Originally posted by carver9
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Originally posted by carver9
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Originally posted by carver9
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Originally posted by carver9
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/401/aa4thegroup007.jpg/

Originally posted by carver9
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8383/thorvshulkandthing6.jpg

Originally posted by Newjak
Nul was an amped WWH. Flat out. And these weren't tiny amps. Thing beat Rulk, Attuma was able to best Silver Surfer, Kuurth could take it to a Juggernaut who was acting close to classic levels(Juggernaut staelamted WWH).

Acting like WWH wasn't amped is flat out not correct. Just because an amped WWH didn't decimate Thor like you wanted carver doesn't change the facts.

Also this is the last time I'm replying to you. Either you're a troll or really don't think these things through. Even fellow Hulk supporters get unto you about it.

I never said he wasn't amped, I said his strength and durability didn't exceed WWH...that doesn't mean he wasn't amped. The hammer did grant him abilities he didn't have.

Originally posted by Cogito
Hold up, Carter. You serious with these scans showing Hulk > Thor?

Let's analyze...

Hulk: "Even without hammer, you keep fighting back! Why can't Hulk defeat you? Why? WHY?! WHY?!"

Hulk: "Huh? But Hulk smashed long-hair. Why won't long-hair stay down once he's been smashed?"

Talbot: "Look at Thor! He's as dangerous as the Hulk!"

Surprise blind-side hit from an ally. Nice selection.

Thor: "I cannot beat you, you know. And I never could"
Thor then proceeds to beat Nul. Readers everywhere facepalm.

😕

^ That was my reaction too

Originally posted by carver9
I never said he wasn't amped, I said his strength and durability didn't exceed WWH...that doesn't mean he wasn't amped. The hammer did grant him abilities he didn't have.

I already agreed that Thor beat Nul via bfr...why take that away from him? Its not just my opinion though, fts and common sense backs my claim.

Originally posted by carver9
I already agreed that Thor beat Nul via bfr...why take that away from him? Its not just my opinion though, fts and common sense backs my claim.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they don't. Feats don't determine superiority. Thor beat an amped Hulk and an amped Thing. Great win for Thor.

Like I said before, I am not taking Thor bfr win away from him so why continue with this? As for your other statement, thats why I said "common sense".

Originally posted by The Sorrow
In WWH he was the angriest he's ever been and had to hold back his power when taking on the heroes. In FI he was calm when he grabbed the hammer, that would have to be a massive amp to bring him back to his actual WWH levels and that was just never shown to be the case on panel.

Hulk's was amped theres's no doubt about that, but honestly I can see why Carver doesn't consider a Hulk taking on Thor with an almost equally powerful partner, a Mjolnir equivalent, not holding back, amped, weather manipulation etc and still getting smacked around by Thor as equal to a Green Scar who defeated Sentry while holding back in WWH.

He held back from killing them true enough. But as far as restricting himself to much beyond that seems pretty unlikely. There were other cases where it could be seen he was holding back like against certain members of the X-men in my opinion. but mostly he'd damage them to the point where they were down but restrained himself from causing them death like in cases of Ironman, Doc Strange, Reed, etc. He was calm when he grabbed it but his powers work with rage and he had become an engine of destruction in FI. Just because he didn't have the most brilliant of showings doesn't mean he wasn't at those levels or higher. It was the same persona after all and now he was bent on destruction and was a rage monster again.

He only sees it like that because his boy didn't do as well as he hoped he would. Doesn't mean he's weaker than the levels he was intended to be on at the time. As flashy as the fight between WWH and Sentry was, Sentry's fire storm was nothing to what Thor's power output is. Sentry did what? Destroy city blocks? Thor's storms ravage worlds. Just because he underperformed from his writing under Pak doesn't mean he gets to be considered weaker in my opinion. It was just a good showing for Thor who has also heavily held back in the past.

edit: Hope I'm not sounding dickish about it or something. Not trying to. >_<

Originally posted by carver9
I never said he wasn't amped.

Originally posted by carver9
There wasn't any amps...especially looking at everything shown on panel. He was a mild WWH with a hammer.

I forgot to put "physically" which is my main point.

Originally posted by Damborgson
He held back from killing them true enough. But as far as restricting himself to much beyond that seems pretty unlikely. There were other cases where it could be seen he was holding back like against certain members of the X-men in my opinion. but mostly he'd damage them to the point where they were down but restrained himself from causing them death like in cases of Ironman, Doc Strange, Reed, etc. He was calm when he grabbed it but his powers work with rage and he had become an engine of destruction in FI. Just because he didn't have the most brilliant of showings doesn't mean he wasn't at those levels or higher. It was the same persona after all and now he was bent on destruction and was a rage monster again.

He only sees it like that because his boy didn't do as well as he hoped he would. Doesn't mean he's weaker than the levels he was intended to be on at the time. As flashy as the fight between WWH and Sentry was, Sentry's fire storm was nothing to what Thor's power output is. Sentry did what? Destroy city blocks? Thor's storms ravage worlds. Just because he underperformed from his writing under Pak doesn't mean he gets to be considered weaker in my opinion. It was just a good showing for Thor who has also heavily held back in the past.

edit: Hope I'm not sounding dickish about it or something. Not trying to. >_<

Originally posted by Damborgson
He held back from killing them true enough. But as far as restricting himself to much beyond that seems pretty unlikely. There were other cases where it could be seen he was holding back like against certain members of the X-men in my opinion. but mostly he'd damage them to the point where they were down but restrained himself from causing them death like in cases of Ironman, Doc Strange, Reed, etc. He was calm when he grabbed it but his powers work with rage and he had become an engine of destruction in FI. Just because he didn't have the most brilliant of showings doesn't mean he wasn't at those levels or higher. It was the same persona after all and now he was bent on destruction and was a rage monster again.

He only sees it like that because his boy didn't do as well as he hoped he would. Doesn't mean he's weaker than the levels he was intended to be on at the time. As flashy as the fight between WWH and Sentry was, Sentry's fire storm was nothing to what Thor's power output is. Sentry did what? Destroy city blocks? Thor's storms ravage worlds. Just because he underperformed from his writing under Pak doesn't mean he gets to be considered weaker in my opinion. It was just a good showing for Thor who has also heavily held back in the past.

edit: Hope I'm not sounding dickish about it or something. Not trying to. >_<

Characters rarely cause planetary damage on Earth, and tbh both have planetary level energy projection. The blast Thor used on Nul and those from Siege weren't more than a city block either. WWH stood in the epicenter of his energy projection while taking Sentry on, iirc Sentry was matching Thor in Siege without even using energy projection.

Sentry was operating on a higher level during Siege.

1. Masterson would win
2. Savage Hulk
3. Assuming there is no savage banner limitation then Prof/Merged Hulk wins this eventually.
4. Split or edge Hulk, Thor should win obviously if he fights smart but if in character and in the manner he fidgets Hulk typically, then Hulk has the advantage here.
5. Thor
6. Thor
7. Thor

Originally posted by Naija boy
1. Masterson would win
2. Savage Hulk
3. Assuming there is no savage banner limitation then Prof/Merged Hulk wins this eventually.
4. Split or edge Hulk, Thor should win obviously if he fights smart but if in character and in the manner he fidgets Hulk typically, then Hulk has the advantage here.
5. Thor
6. Thor
7. Thor

Supes relieves Thor of his duties, and shows the Odinson how to put the Green One down.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
It's been stated several times since WWH that he held back his power, he wasn't going all out whatever way you slice it. Then what are we meant to base Nul Hulk on besides his showings? He didn't look as impressive as Hulk did in WWH and that's undeniable, so Carver's doubts about them being equal are reasonable imo.

Characters rarely cause planetary damage on Earth, and tbh both have planetary level energy projection. The blast Thor used on Nul and those from Siege weren't more than a city block either. WWH stood in the epicenter of his energy projection while taking Sentry on, iirc Sentry was matching Thor in Siege without even using energy projection.

Stopping yourself from killing someone is holding back. He was holding back of course, but it's not like that fight would have been drastically changed against Sentry if he had decided to try and go for the kill. He fought to win, and there are only so many ways you can throw a punch. The only difference is after he turned back to Hulk he'd have finished Sentry, not that it would change his performance in the fight much or at all.

Underestimation of Thor is the only thing that makes it look less impressive. Besides Bendis powered Avengers hassling him what exactly makes you think of him as less impressive? Thor has always been someone who can fight with his peers and superior and win when he starts using more of his power and cutting loose a bit. Wanting the same green scar persona with amps to be considered weaker just because WWH didn't happen again basically is a pretty weak argument to me. It's just a side effect of wanting to believe he's weaker because Thor looked very good against him. Otherwise Hulk will always have that excuse. "Well uh he didn't seem quite as powerful to me. WWH was still more impressive. He must be a weaker version." Haha No.

Yes but his skin was burning off. And he was starting to get heavily damaged. Siege Sentry would beat the hell out of WWH sentry. He had another dose of the serum that turned him into Sentry, was killing to Kill and was running on the power of the void. Thor still had him on the ropes until the void really started taking over. If it hadn't, Thor had blown a while in his back with lightning so.....