Originally posted by Damborgson
Stopping yourself from killing someone is holding back. He was holding back of course, but it's not like that fight would have been drastically changed against Sentry if he had decided to try and go for the kill. He fought to win, and there are only so many ways you can throw a punch. The only difference is after he turned back to Hulk he'd have finished Sentry, not that it would change his performance in the fight much or at all.Underestimation of Thor is the only thing that makes it look less impressive. Besides Bendis powered Avengers hassling him what exactly makes you think of him as less impressive? Thor has always been someone who can fight with his peers and superior and win when he starts using more of his power and cutting loose a bit. Wanting the same green scar persona with amps to be considered weaker just because WWH didn't happen again basically is a pretty weak argument to me. It's just a side effect of wanting to believe he's weaker because Thor looked very good against him. Otherwise Hulk will always have that excuse. "Well uh he didn't seem quite as powerful to me. WWH was still more impressive. He must be a weaker version." Haha No.
Yes but his skin was burning off. And he was starting to get heavily damaged. Siege Sentry would beat the hell out of WWH sentry. He had another dose of the serum that turned him into Sentry, was killing to Kill and was running on the power of the void. Thor still had him on the ropes until the void really started taking over. If it hadn't, Thor had blown a while in his back with lightning so.....
Fear Itself was a Thor story so of course he was going to look good, it made Thor look good while still giving Hulk some props. For me it isn't an issue but for some who are true Hulk fans I could see why they why they might think as Carver does. The only true indicator to Nul's power was Dracula statement about Hulk being more powerful than his "usual" self, that's a very open ended statement. WWH was more powerful than his usual self, at a level "Earth had never seen before" and this point was rammed down our throats.
Personally I don't think it really makes a difference if Nul is=to WWH, Nul shrugged off Thor's best offence after just a few seconds that's impressive.
Green Scar was being damaged but I don't see Thor standing up to the same kind of punishment. When Sentry took Thor on initially he wasn't unleashing his power like that nor was he using his Void powerset and he still matched Thor. Also Sentry had been taking serums his whole life not just prior to invading Asgard.
Originally posted by The SorrowWhat are you talking about by the time Thor was fighting Sentry, Sentry was clearly voiding out and not the same Sentry WWH fought.Green Scar was being damaged but I don't see Thor standing up to the same kind of punishment. When Sentry took Thor on initially he wasn't unleashing his power like that nor was he using his Void powerset and he still matched Thor. Also Sentry had been taking serums his whole life not just prior to invading Asgard.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Whatever your definition of holding back is, the fight would have ended sooner if Hulk cut loose.Fear Itself was a Thor story so of course he was going to look good, it made Thor look good while still giving Hulk some props. For me it isn't an issue but for some who are true Hulk fans I could see why they why they might think as Carver does. The only true indicator to Nul's power was Dracula statement about Hulk being more powerful than his "usual" self, that's a very open ended statement. WWH was more powerful than his usual self, at a level "Earth had never seen before" and this point was rammed down our throats.
Personally I don't think it really makes a difference if Nul is=to WWH, Nul shrugged off Thor's best offence after just a few seconds that's impressive.
Green Scar was being damaged but I don't see Thor standing up to the same kind of punishment. When Sentry took Thor on initially he wasn't unleashing his power like that nor was he using his Void powerset and he still matched Thor. Also Sentry had been taking serums his whole life not just prior to invading Asgard.
I really don't think it would have. Hulk was fighting to win. And he planned to stop before any deaths occured. The only difference that would have happened had he gone for the kill is Sentry would have died. It'd still have been a flashy show like it was. Just to the death.
Such a weak excuse man. 😬 Same retarded logic that the writer of "let the battle begin" used. "Well it was a hulk comic. Of course he had to win!"
Well I think I've done enough to prove why that line of thinking is wrong. They can keep thinking it but it's not really anything else but denial now. It's basically a nuh-uh and a stamp of the foot at this point.
his "usual" self was WWH at that time. Suggesting otherwise is saying amps weaken him. Which I think we can agree doesn't make sense? Especially with the dramatic increase in power of the other worthy. Unless Hulk was the only one not amped.
Nul isn't=WWH he's > WWH. Yeah it was impressive. He took some good hits from Mjolnir from a Thor who was willing to kill him.
Why wouldn't you see Thor taking it? He's taken worse on multiple occasions.
Yeah he matches Thor until Thor blew open his back lol. They were faily even physically thats all. And sentry was starting to void out already when he tanked the hit from Thor.
So what? He took another shot right before invading Asgard that increased his power to higher levels than WWH which is the point.
Originally posted by carver9
He didn't have tendrils out when they first fought and he still tanked Thor attacks.
he was sent flying twice and was already beginning to void during one of those. Thats not tanking. He did tank the attack from when he first touched down for another round against Thor though.
Originally posted by DamborgsonGood stuff.
I really don't think it would have. Hulk was fighting to win. And he planned to stop before any deaths occured. The only difference that would have happened had he gone for the kill is Sentry would have died. It'd still have been a flashy show like it was. Just to the death.Such a weak excuse man. 😬 Same retarded logic that the writer of "let the battle begin" used. "Well it was a hulk comic. Of course he had to win!"
Well I think I've done enough to prove why that line of thinking is wrong. They can keep thinking it but it's not really anything else but denial now. It's basically a nuh-uh and a stamp of the foot at this point.
his "usual" self was WWH at that time. Suggesting otherwise is saying amps weaken him. Which I think we can agree doesn't make sense? Especially with the dramatic increase in power of the other worthy. Unless Hulk was the only one not amped.
Nul isn't=WWH he's > WWH. Yeah it was impressive. He took some good hits from Mjolnir from a Thor who was willing to kill him.
Why wouldn't you see Thor taking it? He's taken worse on multiple occasions.
Yeah he matches Thor until Thor blew open his back lol. They were faily even physically thats all. And sentry was starting to void out already when he tanked the hit from Thor.
So what? He took another shot right before invading Asgard that increased his power to higher levels than WWH which is the point.
Thor ftw.
Originally posted by Damborgson
I really don't think it would have. Hulk was fighting to win. And he planned to stop before any deaths occured. The only difference that would have happened had he gone for the kill is Sentry would have died. It'd still have been a flashy show like it was. Just to the death.
Such a weak excuse man. 😬 Same retarded logic that the writer of "let the battle begin" used. "Well it was a hulk comic. Of course he had to win!"
Well I think I've done enough to prove why that line of thinking is wrong. They can keep thinking it but it's not really anything else but denial now. It's basically a nuh-uh and a stamp of the foot at this point.his "usual" self was WWH at that time. Suggesting otherwise is saying amps weaken him. Which I think we can agree doesn't make sense? Especially with the dramatic increase in power of the other worthy. Unless Hulk was the only one not amped.
Nul isn't=WWH he's > WWH. Yeah it was impressive. He took some good hits from Mjolnir from a Thor who was willing to kill him.
Why wouldn't you see Thor taking it? He's taken worse on multiple occasions.Yeah he matches Thor until Thor blew open his back lol. They were faily even physically thats all. And sentry was starting to void out already when he tanked the hit from Thor.
So what? He took another shot right before invading Asgard that increased his power to higher levels than WWH which is the point.
Sentry learnt that his power stems from molecular manipulation and had better control over it but besides this imo he didn't do anything to suggest he was more powerful in Siege than previous. In fact his durability was quite crappy once Bendis took over compared to his more invulnerable self in his mini and MA.
In DA/Siege he was constantly reforming rather than just straight tanking attacks like he did pre-Bendis. Sentry has always been crazy powerful when in the right state of mind.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Hulk was talking to him as a friend and telling Sentry to stand down, if he wanted to really unleash his power he would have like in the Dark Dimension where no innocents were in danger.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Dark Dimension was not 616 reality. Who knows what the properties were for that realm.
It should not even be treated as canon.
To this post... 😕
At everything else being discussed...at least we now know that regular Savage Hulk can one shot Thor. WWH would cream him and WBH would melt him going by current depictions of what has been happening with Hull recently.
WBH is too much for Thor...can't picture him surviving a single punch. WWH one shots him worse than what Savage Hulk has done.
This thread can be closed now.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Hulk was talking to him as a friend and telling Sentry to stand down, if he wanted to really unleash his power he would have like in the Dark Dimension where no innocents were in danger. According to you it makes no difference whether Hulk holds back or not even though the exact opposite has been shown on panel, your not making points or using facts your just lowballing here.Then I guess most writers would be retards according to you because generally the central characters in an event perform well.
Fear Itself was a Cap/Thor centered story, just as World War Hulks was a Hulks story so obviously Thor, Cap, Hulk etc are going to get some decent feats. Look at AvX, Thor has taken more of a backseat in this arc and has been KO'd around 6 times so far and embarrassed on other occasions while central characters like Wolvie and Cap have had great showings.I think you need to read more Hulk books tbh because your posts show your a bit misinformed on the character. Hulk is [B]not
at WWH levels all the time, it took extreme anger levels through the death of loved ones to get there. Regular or "usual" Hulk isn't one shotting Ares, Thing, 3 shotting Hercules, casually overpowering a 100 trillion tonner with one arm, easily beating a hugely amped Rulk etc. Honestly you haven't proven much of anything. Your not even using facts here, just your opinion that is unsupported and in this case is irrelevant really. Your claim of Nul being> WWH is completely baseless and the only reason your pushing the issue is because it bumps up Thor.Similarly Thor has also been KO'd by a lot less, bar his highest showings he isn't tanking Sentry's all out EP whilst simultaneously taking shots to the face. That's a feat that is simply beyond Thor.
Sentry learn that his power stems from molecular manipulation and had better control over it but besides this imo he didn't do anything to suggest he was more powerful in Siege than previous. In fact his durability was quite crappy once Bendis took over compared to his more invulnerable self in his mini and MA.
In DA/Siege he was constantly reforming rather than just straight tanking attacks like he did pre-Bendis. Sentry has always been crazy powerful when in the right state of mind. [/B]
He than punched him until his face turned into a bloody pulp. Yeah man, I see how hard it is for Hulk to not Hold back.
He couldn't control the world breaker until a long time after WWH. At the time, WWH was his best. Then we saw the first glimpse of WBH after he reached new levels in power.
If you're going to accuse of lowballing at least take the time to read the comics. Or don't think I'm stupid at least. Because you know (or so I thought) that Hulk had not achived WBH status at the time and couldn't turn into WBH on a dime like HOTM Hulk. Try a bit harder next time.
See this is where you're argument trips up. The argument "Thor only did good cuz it was his book" isn't a valid one. Otherwise that excuse can be used for anything. Hulk didn't actually do well in WWH. It was all plot device and jobbing to make him look good and he's incapable of doing it outside his own books. According to you're flawed argument anyway. Also jobbing is jobbing. It happens to everyone. Thor being disrespected at the moment doesn't really mean anything outside him being disrespected. His top feat in AvX has been KO'ing the Phoenix Force anyway so it makes up for a part of it I would think.
😂 I'm willing to bet I know more about Hulk than you do. He's not my golden boy, but to argue against him properly I have to know about him. Not anymore it doesn't. Banner became WBH at the drop of a hat during HOTM. His anger doesn't directly affect his powers anymore. He's still at WWH levels. Arguing against that is just the hulk fans' way of giving an excuse for their boy when he looses. If he does poorly or not at the level he's expected he obviously wasn't angry enough and therefore the loss doesn't count. It's a weak obvious argument that keeps being used by people no matter how flawed because it's easier than dealing with reality.
How is it baseless when I've provided more than enough to show what it's based on? It's not an opinion when it's supported by comics. No character receives upgrades to his power and then becomes weaker. That you're even arguing this is absolutely ridiculous. It's not hard to see why though. It makes WWH look bad.
I don't need to use Hulk as a way to bump Thor. Thor is > Hulk. As long as he stays the one dimensional character that he is that won't ever change.
It isn't though. Thor is know for his damage soak. It's comparable to Hulk even with his amazing HF. You don't get to say Thor can't take it because it was hard for Hulk to do it. Not when he's proven that he can. He wouldn't be in good shape I'll give you that. But take it? Sure he can.
So I'm the one who lowballs, but here you are trying to take another victory from Thor that tops Hulk. He didn't beat an amped Hulk and he didn't beat a superior Sentry than WWH sentry. Of course. It makes WWH look bad. Fact is, Sentry received another shot of serum and was running on the voids power. The guy who casually broke every bone in savage Hulk's body. Under Bendis he reformed more, but he took on more powerful opponents. He was taken out of exsistence by Morgana Le Fay, destroyed multiple times by having his molecules scattered or his body parts blown off through molecule manipulation, and he took an enormous blast from Thor which is hardly a low showing seeing as who Thor can and has affected with his Lightning.
Originally posted by Damborgson
He than punched him until his face turned into a bloody pulp. Yeah man, I see how hard it is for Hulk to not Hold back.He couldn't control the world breaker until a long time after WWH. At the time, WWH was his best. Then we saw the first glimpse of WBH after he reached new levels in power.
If you're going to accuse of lowballing at least take the time to read the comics. Or don't think I'm stupid at least. Because you know (or so I thought) that Hulk had not achived WBH status at the time and couldn't turn into WBH on a dime like HOTM Hulk. Try a bit harder next time.
See this is where you're argument trips up. The argument "Thor only did good cuz it was his book" isn't a valid one. Otherwise that excuse can be used for anything. Hulk didn't actually do well in WWH. It was all plot device and jobbing to make him look good and he's incapable of doing it outside his own books. According to you're flawed argument anyway. Also jobbing is jobbing. It happens to everyone. Thor being disrespected at the moment doesn't really mean anything outside him being disrespected. His top feat in AvX has been KO'ing the Phoenix Force anyway so it makes up for a part of it I would think.
😂 I'm willing to bet I know more about Hulk than you do. He's not my golden boy, but to argue against him properly I have to know about him. Not anymore it doesn't. Banner became WBH at the drop of a hat during HOTM. His anger doesn't directly affect his powers anymore. He's still at WWH levels. Arguing against that is just the hulk fans' way of giving an excuse for their boy when he looses. If he does poorly or not at the level he's expected he obviously wasn't angry enough and therefore the loss doesn't count. It's a weak obvious argument that keeps being used by people no matter how flawed because it's easier than dealing with reality.
How is it baseless when I've provided more than enough to show what it's based on? It's not an opinion when it's supported by comics. No character receives upgrades to his power and then becomes weaker. That you're even arguing this is absolutely ridiculous. It's not hard to see why though. It makes WWH look bad.
I don't need to use Hulk as a way to bump Thor. Thor is > Hulk. As long as he stays the one dimensional character that he is that won't ever change.
It isn't though. Thor is know for his damage soak. It's comparable to Hulk even with his amazing HF. You don't get to say Thor can't take it because it was hard for Hulk to do it. Not when he's proven that he can. He wouldn't be in good shape I'll give you that. But take it? Sure he can.
So I'm the one who lowballs, but here you are trying to take another victory from Thor that tops Hulk. He didn't beat an amped Hulk and he didn't beat a superior Sentry than WWH sentry. Of course. It makes WWH look bad. Fact is, Sentry received another shot of serum and was running on the voids power. The guy who casually broke every bone in savage Hulk's body. Under Bendis he reformed more, but he took on more powerful opponents. He was taken out of exsistence by Morgana Le Fay, destroyed multiple times by having his molecules scattered or his body parts blown off through molecule manipulation, and he took an enormous blast from Thor which is hardly a low showing seeing as who Thor can and has affected with his Lightning.