Originally posted by Newjak
Probably Juggs best feat in terms of raw durability is surviving Thor's godblast.Secondly is straight up no selling Wolverine's claws w/o ff. Say what you will but even Thor/Hulk haven't done that.
Classic Juggs was straight up more durable then those guys.
So don't act like his FF is what makes him super durable. He's durable without and besides one writers attempt to make it such it has never been depicted as his source of extreme durability.
Originally posted by The SorrowWhen has Colossus no sold Wolverine's claws I've read a lot of Colossus' appearances and have never seen that?
He survived the godblast with his forcefield not his natural durability, Hulk has no sold Wolverines claws also as has Colossus that's not a be all and end all feat. The problem for most neutral fans are Juggs' fanboys, some who are guilty of starting these absurd myths such as Juggs can't be beaten by Oblivion and he's never been hurt or similar nonsense. The rest I agree with though, generally he was more durable than both or at least until Hulk gets really angry.
Also when has Hulk no sold them, and when I mean no sold I mean Cain didn't even get s scratch from the claws.
I'm not trying to say Juggernaut is unbeatable but when people are trying to act like Cain's source of extreme durability is the force field which stems from one comic book appearance where a Thor writer made it seem so then I say no he is as durable without his ff as he is with it.
Wolverine's claws, Nightmare, The Exemplars. He took all those people on without a ff and did fine.
Originally posted by Newjak
When has Colossus no sold Wolverine's claws I've read a lot of Colossus' appearances and have never seen that?Also when has Hulk no sold them, and when I mean no sold I mean Cain didn't even get s scratch from the claws.
I'm not trying to say Juggernaut is unbeatable but when people are trying to act like Cain's source of extreme durability is the force field which stems from one comic book appearance where a Thor writer made it seem so then I say no he is as durable without his ff as he is with it.
Wolverine's claws, Nightmare, The Exemplars. He took all those people on without a ff and did fine.
WWH.
Then you would be very wrong, Juggernaut also wears armour the other heralds don't. If Juggernaut was invulnerable without his FF he wouldn't need one in the first place.
Lol Wolverine (?), Juggernaut was hurt by the Exemplars and iirc pretty badly, he was also amped. He beat Nightmare with magical spells he no longer has.
Originally posted by The SorrowWWH was cut and shown bleeding from Wolverine's claws.
I'll have to dig it up.WWH.
Then you would be very wrong, Juggernaut also wears armour the other heralds don't. If Juggernaut was invulnerable without his FF he wouldn't need one in the first place.
Lol Wolverine (?), Juggernaut was hurt by the Exemplars and iirc pretty badly, he was also amped. He beat Nightmare with magical spells he no longer has.
He doesn't 'need' his FF he just uses when he doesn't want things to touch him or he's trying to make a point.
Like in the Spider-Man example he wasn't getting hurt by Spider-man but he put up his FF just because he didn't want Spider-Man to touch him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In WWH, didn't Wolverine say something to the effect of 'you're harder to cut', implying that he COULD be cut?
Originally posted by The SorrowYou can clearly see Wolverine put his claws into Hulk's arm
He was referring to the Green Scar in comparison with his older incarnations, when he tried to slash Hulk no blood or gash were shown so he attacked his eyes.
Originally posted by Newjak
WWH was cut and shown bleeding from Wolverine's claws.He doesn't 'need' his FF he just uses when he doesn't want things to touch him or he's trying to make a point.
Like in the Spider-Man example he wasn't getting hurt by Spider-man but he put up his FF just because he didn't want Spider-Man to touch him.
No offense but this is the type of answer I would expect from a fanboy, some writers ignored it completely others used it as a source of invulnerability but it's very rare he's shown as equally as durable without the forcefield. In fact off the top off my head I can't think of instance where that was actually the case, that's how rare it is.
Originally posted by The SorrowSo you're saying his FF which is one of the most rare items he uses in comics is the source of his invulnerability by saying that it's rare he is shown equally as durable without it...
He was also shown not bleeding once he reached a certain anger level.No offense but this is the type of answer I would expect from a fanboy, some writers ignored it completely others used it as a source of invulnerability but it's very rare he's shown as equally as durable without the forcefield. In fact off the top off my head I can't think of instance where that was actually the case, that's how rare it is.
Wolverine's claws, Nightmare, Cyclops Optic Blasts, the Exemplars, WWH/Savage H,ulk he took all of those without a FF so obviously him tanking high caliber attacks w/o his ff isn't so rare 😛
And obviously WWH was still bleeding because Wolverine was still drawing quite a bit of blood before Hulk knocked Logan away. Hulk can only take Wolverine's claws because of his healing factor that's pretty established by now at the very least he can cut Hulk which he can't do to Juggernaut sans FF.
Originally posted by The Sorrowthe oblivion thing actually happened though, juggernaut survived being in oblivions realm of non existance. Oblivion himself had to age juggernaut to kill him.
He survived the godblast with his forcefield not his natural durability, Hulk has no sold Wolverines claws also as has Colossus that's not a be all and end all feat. The problem for most neutral fans are Juggs' fanboys, some who are guilty of starting these absurd myths such as Juggs can't be beaten by Oblivion and he's never been hurt or similar nonsense. The rest I agree with though, generally he was more durable than both or at least until Hulk gets really angry.
