Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Can you see Galactus one shot killing Arishem, Exitar, or Tiamut? Certain ones are, IMO. It's like no-name kryptonians vs Ursa, Supergirl, Superman, etc. Or Hal Jordan vs no name GLs. That's how comics work.
Arishem lost to Tiamut, who by himself defeated the rest of the second host (equal in number to what Galactus would have defeated had the Celestials not combined), Exitar himself is stated as being more powerful then the fourth host combined, I for one have a hard time seeing how exactly that example is meant to work. A more accurate example would be to present Devron, Eson and Gamiel (to toss out three named regular level Celestials from the 616). Also in regards to the no name weaker then named, a no name Celestial was mention and shown as being stronger then Kubik and Kosmos, beings with universal reality warping powers, just to put the no name into perspective, iirc not a single named Celestial from 616 have demonstrated powers on that level. Also I have never quite understood why it's so important that the Celestials originates from another reality, does that automatically make them weaker?
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Not weaker, just not the same. It's like using Ultimate Thor feats for 616 Thor. Or 616 Thor feats for Ultimate Thor. Who knows what tech Celestials in other universe developed. It may be the same, weaker or stronger. Who knows really.
Well the feats that the Mad Celestials produced imo was very impressive and at least leads me to believe that they are on the same level (if not above) the level of their 616 counterparts. But I agree with what you are saying, what I disagreed with was if you were implying in some way that the Mad Celestials are weaker simply because they originate from another universe.
Originally posted by Utrigita
what I disagreed with was if you were implying in some way that the Mad Celestials are weaker simply because they originate from another universe.
When did I say that? I guess I kind of implied "no name" celestials could be weaker, but I think that's generally how comics work, like I said. No name GLs, no name kryptonians, no name asgardians, tend to be fodder a lot of the times, but as you pointed out, that's not ALWAYS the case.
What feats does Arishem have to suggest he'd win this fight?
Assuming Galactus is as he is current portrayed (and well fed), it seems to me he stands beyond any single Celestial (remember what happened in TI) not named Scathan...
In addition, since there is no jobbing in a forum fight, Galactus's poor track record of jobbing cant be used against him...
So once again, based on what does Arishem win this fight?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
What feats does Arishem have to suggest he'd win this fight?Assuming Galactus is as he is current portrayed (and well fed), it seems to me he stands beyond any single Celestial (remember what happened in TI) not named Scathan...
In addition, since there is no jobbing in a forum fight, Galactus's poor track record of jobbing cant be used against him...
So once again, based on what does Arishem win this fight?
You might be right in regards to Galactus vs Arishem, but I don't think he's above any Celestial not named Scathan. I know he was afraid of Tiamut, even before Tiamut ascended. Considering Exitar is more powerful than the entire fourth host, I'd say he would beat Galactus as well.
And I don't think it was an accident that Galactus ate four planets before he fought four celestials, which tells me, him eating one planet, makes him equal to one celestial. If that's true, this fight would depend on how many planets Galactus ate, if he was hungry, etc.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
What feats does Arishem have to suggest he'd win this fight?Assuming Galactus is as he is current portrayed (and well fed), it seems to me he stands beyond any single Celestial (remember what happened in TI) not named Scathan...
In addition, since there is no jobbing in a forum fight, Galactus's poor track record of jobbing cant be used against him...
So once again, based on what does Arishem win this fight?
The fact that Arishem was referred as the "mightiest Celestial" of the 4th Host in Thor # 300 , along with his performance against 3 elite skyfathers , along with the fact that he withstood a point blank planet-core enhanced Mjolnir strike from Thor , leads me to believe that this fight is quite close , and is in all likelihood a toss-up .
Edit : Welcome back .