If Plagueis can't use his midi-chlorian trick, Bane should win. Hasn't Bane actually already done pretty much every feat that was listed for Plagueis? He has better speed feats, he's the physically stronger guy, and he has also atomised people hasnt he? Plus he has done much more so I don't know why you would say Plagueis is better if he can't use the midis in combat.
Originally posted by Master_Galen
I see Plagueis winning this duel. He is superior in the force, he just has to manipulate Bane's midichlorians and then Bane will be his next experiment.
Prove he can do this in combat?
Also you have to take into account that Sidious c. TPM had to take Plagueis out in his sleep, which implys that he did not fancy his chances in a duel against his master. [/QUOTE]
And? Sidious c. TPM isn't particularly powerful, and taking him out in his sleep is simply smarter no matter how they stack up against eachother than doing it in real confrontation. It doesn't mean he couldn't.
Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
If Plagueis can't use his midi-chlorian trick, Bane should win. Hasn't Bane actually already done pretty much every feat that was listed for Plagueis? He has better speed feats, he's the physically stronger guy, and he has also atomised people hasnt he? Plus he has done much more so I don't know why you would say Plagueis is better if he can't use the midis in combat.
Yeah pretty much, although ironically enough despite being 7 ft tall and a mountain of muscle he doesn't actually have that many strength feats. He's never punched through a dudes armor and chest before, thats for sure.
I think that's because Jedis/Siths rarely have use for it. With access to a lightsaber, telikenisis and other force powers, they are rarely in positions where they really need to show off or use their physical strength. They need to damage someone or something, they use their lightsaber or destructive force powers. Need to lift something, TK.
So I'd usually go with the bigger, physically stronger guy, as long as the gap in force powers isn't massive as you cant really expect everyone to have strength feats, even when they probably are stronger than someone who does.
It is not because I want it bro. Read my post again please. If Bane is the physically stronger guy, is probably more powerful in the Force, then why wouldn't his overall strength be superior? You can ask for strength feats, but as I showed, that's very unreasonable. You can't really expect a lot of weight lifting or power punching feats from people who can move objects with their mind and cut through anything with a laser sword. That isn't how it should work.
We can't have feats for everything though, and strength feats will always be hard to come by. Obviously physical strength is very important for how powerful your atatcks with a lightsaber are, for example it is reason Kas'im recommended that Bane use Djem So, and there are numerous times where it is somebody's physical strength that is talked about, or for example Anakin's robotic arm. We are never given any indication that the Force plays that big a factor there. If we saw padawan lift a Jedi starfighter with ease should we assume that he is stronger than Bane just because we haven't seen Bane lift anything that heavy?
Bane has mastered the 7 forms, and knows how to beat people who use Jar'Kai/Double Blades. Plagueis is just outmatched in sabers, tbh.
When they use the Force, I see it being about even. How strong in Plagueis' lightning? We know Bane's can turn an armored man into ash as of RoT (without Orbalisk power) which means that by DoE he has some insane lightning feats. He has the cocoon of energy that he can pull up before a saber hits him, but after the swing was started, which causes an explosion, which admittedly did not kill either of them, it still threw Zannah about 30 feet. He also has the speed feats from the rain scene and from his fight with Zannah, where the two were hardly even a blur, nearly moving faster than the Huntress could see, and he was pwning her face in. And she is a master of multiple forms as well. Djem So vs Soresu, normally Soresu would win, but Bane just overwhelmed her.
He can crack ribs with a kick, which is also insanely hard. (Zannah fight, DoE, on Ambria, he cracked 3 ribs and she flew back 15 feet)