Wallabies! Wallabies EVERYWHERE! They are overrunning our position sir! We can't hold them!
Fall back to the second ring! FALL BACK!
But sir, the avocados took the second ring fifteen minutes ago!
Oh crap! Well, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em,
Apparently I just get to chime in and be ignored. Sweeeeeeeet.
Really I haven't seen a single posting saying why Plagueis wins.
Plagueis has a superior grasp of the force, you can see this in the way he has experimented with the midchlorians, also he has some strength feats like puching through armor, speed feats during duel vs Venamis and was a master sith sorceror/alchemist. As we have learned in Banes duel vs Zannah he does not fare well against sith sorcery.
I view that more as being a great scientist than practitioner of the Force. He understood that aspect of biology very well and could perform experiments with it. I don't see it as having anything to do with his grasp of the Force. Bane's combat feats are superior imo and Zannah was incredibly powerful (possibly one of the greatest potentials ever) as well as being just a practitioner of sorcery. He didn't fare well against her sorcery, and wasn't she being amped by Ambria or something?
Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
I view that more as being a great scientist than practitioner of the Force. He understood that aspect of biology very well and could perform experiments with it. I don't see it as having anything to do with his grasp of the Force. Bane's combat feats are superior imo and Zannah was incredibly powerful (possibly one of the greatest potentials ever) as well as being just a practitioner of sorcery. He didn't fare well against her sorcery, and wasn't she being amped by Ambria or something?
Ambria didn't aid either one of them IIRC because the darkside energy had all been contained within the lake. It was simply that the sorcery couldn't be countered by any physical attack and Bane was not versed enough in it to overcome it through the force.
Anyway, I don't see any indication that Plagueis would have been capable of taking Bane with sabers noting that he held his own against Kas'im and ended the female jedi master and Farfalla as well as his skill shown during the rainstorm, a point at which he was already developing tremors within his body.
As to all out I honestly don't know enough about Plag to really comment on him, but I know it would take a great user to overcome Bane's ridiculous lightning, TK, and force wave attacks.
I believe that even during training at the Sith Temple before Bane goes on his quest off-world some of his strikes and movements were fast enough that the students watching weren't even sure what exactly how he had landed the blow or something to that effect.
The big problem is that we can't actually pit them against each other but for what it's worth Bane went toe-to-toe with both the Sith and Jedi saber practitioners considered to be two of the best ever to use blades and in the case with Farfalla was fighting both him and the female Master duelist at the same time. He did of course have his Orbelisk armor at the time though so take that for what it's worth.
Again my knowledge of Plag is incomplete but considering that Palpatine saw fit to poison him and not face him outright in battle perhaps attests to his skills.
When Bane was fighting Zannah, both of them were blurs to the Huntress.
Bane did not show a weakness to sorcery, he showed it could be used on him. Thing is, he studied how to defend against it, and showed he can. It will take him out of the fight for maybe a minute, cause no harm, and Plagueis can't attack him during that time because he has to keep up the illusion.
Punching through armor doesn't matter if you can't hit them. Remember, any rain drops that got past Bane's saber he dodged.
But really, Plagueis does not seem to have that many combat feats over Bane. Experimenting with midichlorians doesn't really matter, because
A) In Bane's time, I doubt they had been discovered.
B) He can't do that in the middle of a fight in any meaningful way
3) Bane showed extreme precision when he made his Holocron. He was moving microfilaments into exact positions and all within a short timeframe.
Originally posted by Pwned
Punching through armor doesn't matter if you can't hit them. Remember, any rain drops that got past Bane's saber he dodged.
The reason I asked for more of Bane's speed feats, was not to down-grade his rainstorm feat, but because it is silly to assume that Bane cannot be touched because he can blocked every rain drop thats falling towards him. If we use that kinda logic for a lightsaber duel then master Kolar and master Tiin should have been able to at least react to Sidious before being slaughtered, seeing how they can each block dozens of blaster bolts. But sense Bane can also move his body as a blur (I'll take your word for now), then he may be able to take Plagueis in a duel.
I'll get back to the rest maybe later tonight.
Originally posted by Pwned
A) In Bane's time, I doubt they had been discovered.
Pretty good argument but this part is irrelevant. We're assuming that both have whatever attributes they are gifted with unless stated by the OP or unless their ability is location dependent. Plagueis has been able to study them so we'll assume whatever skills he has in interacting with them are intact for the duel.
That said, everything presented I still think the battle favors Bane, but again I'd really like to see more about Plag presented so that I can say for sure one way or the other.