Originally posted by The Sorrow
Hulk has wild out-there feats that rival Superman's. WBH is an extension of Hulk who also has decades of showings in case you forgot, we have also seen a non-holding Superman fail to cause anywhere close to the destruction Hulk caused in the Dark Dimension. Speed is only going to benefit Supes so much here when if Hulk chooses to, he can emit gamma bursts capable of destroying the planet. Superman should be able to wade through it but it's going to hinder him, especially when he tries to get up close.
I quote from the forum rules:
Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively.
To my mind, Superman is constantly limiting himself in effective use of his speed, especially as he says it would cause a lot of collateral damage. Now with that off in this fight, speed will be a HUGE factor. It's doubtful to me whether the Hulk could even touch Superman. I know people around here hate that argument, but no one seems to have a good reason why Hulk could hit him, besides saying, "He's hit speedsters before". Which is true, but the speedsters weren't SPEEDING when he hit them.
Also, Superman has easily survived planet-busting attacks many times over, and if we're talking about highest end feats, that would be surviving a 52 supernova equivalent blast while weakened, each supernova equaling ten trillion hydrogen bombs. Arguably, WBH has died from a planet-buster, and yeah, some people debate that, and I'm not interested in getting into that debate, but to me, the on-panel evidence indicates he died.
But regardless, Superman doesn't have to get close. Hell, he doesn't even have to touch the ground. He can blast away at the Hulk with his eye beams from the ionosphere, or even higher. His eye beams have done some quite impressive things, bien could post them if you'd like, as I don't have a scanner. But IMO, they have released more than enough energy to fry the Hulk (Vector did so, or was it X-ray, I forget...granted that wasn't WBH though).
Barring all of that, Superman could push the moon into the earth and destroy it, and then blast the Hulk while he floats helplessly in space (again, not a normal scernario, but in this fight, Supes's CIS is off).
I honestly can't fathom Hulk getting a single win here.
Originally posted by carver9
I am repeating your way of debating. If this was Savage Hulk, this fight would be more interesting...using this Hulk makes this a complete massacre.
Lol with savage Hulk.
Savage hulk will be a "fight" for a cis on Superman but Superman will win
Look at the words you use "massacre"
Massacre will be Superman using F=MA like the video CC showed earlier in here, regardless of which HULK you are talking about.
And this is backed up by science, unless you can prove how to counter F=MA going by that formula Superman is always most likely to produce more force than Hulk
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I quote from the forum rules:Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively.
To my mind, Superman is constantly limiting himself in effective use of his speed, especially as he says it would cause a lot of collateral damage. Now with that off in this fight, speed will be a HUGE factor. It's doubtful to me whether the Hulk could even touch Superman. I know people around here hate that argument, but no one seems to have a good reason why Hulk could hit him, besides saying, "He's hit speedsters before". Which is true, but the speedsters weren't SPEEDING when he hit them.
Also, Superman has easily survived planet-busting attacks many times over, and if we're talking about highest end feats, that would be surviving a 52 supernova equivalent blast while weakened, each supernova equaling ten trillion hydrogen bombs. Arguably, WBH has died from a planet-buster, and yeah, some people debate that, and I'm not interested in getting into that debate, but to me, the on-panel evidence indicates he died.
But regardless, Superman doesn't have to get close. Hell, he doesn't even have to touch the ground. He can blast away at the Hulk with his eye beams from the ionosphere, or even higher. His eye beams have done some quite impressive things, bien could post them if you'd like, as I don't have a scanner. But IMO, they have released more than enough energy to fry the Hulk (Vector did so, or was it X-ray, I forget...granted that wasn't WBH though).
Barring all of that, Superman could push the moon into the earth and destroy it, and then blast the Hulk while he floats helplessly in space (again, not a normal scernario, but in this fight, Supes's CIS is off).
I honestly can't fathom Hulk getting a single win here.
WBH was far beyond heralds in physicality, hell even before he unleashed himself he was. Ignoring the combined attack of Wendigo, Bi Beast and Arm'Chedon is a crazy feat. The combined assault of these 3 shattered the Bannertech shields in one attempt, these same shields have stood up to repeated hits from upper class 100 bricks like Skaar, Juggernaut, and the Hulk himself. Honestly I don't think you realise exactly how powerful WBH was, if you believe Hulk and Betty died in that clash I suggest you IH #635:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8901478/Incredible_Hulks_635_003.jpg.html
It shows the epicenter of the clash up close, with everyone else dying while they are very much alive and well. CIS off would be more competitive but it would eventually end the same as CIS on imo.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
With help from Hal. That part of my post was in response to Pillars comment that Superman could simply launch the moon at Earth, when every attempt at moving a planetary body has been a huge strain on him even with help.
Originally posted by carver9
I could have sworn Superman used the word "we" when they were pulling that planet.
And I'm the lowballer?
This feat is insane for Hal Jordan. He is the ROPE in the tug of war between Starbreaker and Superman.
I doubt He has even more juice to help pulling the planet.
Because of the incredible strain he is on, his construct started shattering.
But I'm sure you already noticed this because you are not the lowballer in here.
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Originally posted by biensalsa
And I'm the lowballer?This feat is insane for Hal Jordan. He is the ROPE in the tug of war between Starbreaker and Superman.
I doubt He has even more juice to help pulling the planet.
Because of the incredible strain he is on, his construct started shattering.
But I'm sure you already noticed this because you are not the lowballer in here.
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I don't get what the problem is. Its a nice ft even if he helped or not and there is no evidence s he wasn't aided in pulling a planet.
Of course his constructs would crack, its tugging on a planet.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't get what the problem is. Its a nice ft even if he helped or not and there is no evidence s he wasn't aided in pulling a planet.Of course his constructs would crack, its tugging on a planet.
So wait, are you trying to tell me that besides making a construct able to withstand starbreaker pulling on one side and Superman on the other, he is also pulling the planet?
Wow then I do not know what is Superman doing in there. That might have something to do with the "WE" Superman used?
