Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ you have it partially correct as hulk was getting exponentially stronger with each blow and superman was starting to buckle, as usually nobody shows the next page
I was only quoting the part were Kal got serious. Yes, hulk did toss him around a bit, but that was Kal at the beginning of the fight trying to calm down the Hulk. Once he reliaze the Hulk inability to reason, and was being force to listen to the ultrasonic wave, that's when Kal gives his speech.
Didn't Superman actually raise his arm to block Hulk's attacks before long? To me, personally, that suggests that Hulk's strength was ramping up at a rate where Superman felt it would be wiser to block contact instead of let Hulk strike away without resistance.
The overall gist I got from the cross overs is that Superman's "base" level of readiness/overall effectiveness gave way in favor for Superman taking things seriously with Hulk as Hulk continuously got mad. That's just from the physical strength aspect, in any case.
All in all, it's impressive given that Superman was described with planetary strength during the narration and Hulk's was in the mountain range moving level, yet Hulk's strength was increasing quite rapidly.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Didn't Superman actually raise his arm to block Hulk's attacks before long? To me, personally, that suggests that Hulk's strength was ramping up at a rate where Superman felt it would be wiser to block contact instead of let Hulk strike away without resistance.The overall gist I got from the cross overs is that Superman's "base" level of readiness/overall effectiveness gave way in favor for Superman taking things seriously with Hulk as Hulk continuously got mad. That's just from the physical strength aspect, in any case.
All in all, it's impressive given that Superman was described with planetary strength during the narration and Hulk's was in the mountain range moving level, yet Hulk's strength was increasing quite rapidly.
Here's the end of the fight, read into it however you want, but to me, it didn't look like Superman was trying to hurt the Hulk, and it didn't look like Superman was even close to be hurt, while the Hulk was trying extremely hard to hurt him.
I have no doubt that Superman was in control for the majority of the fight. But the narration is making it very clear to the reader just how astronomical Hulk's strength is climbing. The sentence "And the outcome of the strange duel is in doubt" coupled with Superman actively raising an arm to block Hulk instead of just tanking his attacks is pretty clear in that regard.
To that end, it was made clear that had Superman not noticed the drone and destroyed it, thereby calming Hulk down, that Superman's superiority would have been called into question, imo.
Originally posted by biensalsa
No, I did not made such a thread, I made one to show that claims of "melting heralds" is silly.and I did not "tried" to disprove anything with the Dark Dimension, I just brought up the rules of the Dark Dimension as context.
Because someone is running around KMC saying that Hulk is now skyfather level 😉
and just think about the feat of Starbreaker for a second.
There is Starbreaker pulling on one side, there is Superman on the other side and there is Hal Jordan's construct in the middle not breaking by the tremendous pull of Starbreaker and Superman on both ends.
Just that itself makes the feat more valuable for Hal but to think that Hal besides providing the construct is also pulling is funny
Hal says to Superman "pull harder" and then confirms it by saying that his construct is "starting to fracture under the pressure"
Considering Superman can shatter gl constructs alone, to think Hal have power left to also pull is silly as it will require a lot of concentration to make a construct that does not shatter under the pressure of Starbreaker on one side and Superman on the other.
Once people get past the Superman hate, its really quite east to see
Originally posted by paisapower
Once people get past the Superman hate, its really quite east to see
It's "easy" not "east", and Salsa, though he usually makes good points, isn't making a particularly good one here.
Considering Superman can shatter gl constructs alone, to think Hal have power left to also pull is silly as it will require a lot of concentration to make a construct that does not shatter under the pressure of Starbreaker on one side and Superman on the other.
"Fill-in-the-blank is silly" seems to be the primary mode people have of "debating" against Carver here. But little if anything he's said is without basis. Lot of concentration to make a construct etcetera, yes.
But this ignores the fact that Lanterns can not only multitask but can go so far as to create constructs that create OTHER constructs.
It doesn't require active conscious thought for them to do so either.
Kyle Rayner, relative rookie, went so far as to create a TEAM of sentient Green Lantern constructs, each capable of creating their OWN constructs in the Circle of Fire Trade. Even while another villain, one so powerful he took out the rest of the JLA, including Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Wonder Woman, was revealed to ALSO be the creation of Kyle's mind and yet ANOTHER construct!
Note that the 3 JLAers just mentioned demonstrated world-moving ability in tandem, too. Note that Kyle's construct contained all of them simultaneously. Note that Kyle still had willpower enough to create a construct team, subconsciously, which acted of its own accord and created yet more constructs.
Use any language you want, it's not "silly" to think Hal can pull or exert force on something he created when a similarly-outfitted Lantern did something so much greater.
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Originally posted by bluewaterrider
It's "easy" not "east", and Salsa, though he usually makes good points, isn't making a particularly good one here.
Considering Superman can shatter gl constructs alone, to think Hal have power left to also pull is silly as it will require a lot of concentration to make a construct that does not shatter under the pressure of Starbreaker on one side and Superman on the other."Fill-in-the-blank is silly" seems to be the primary mode people have of "debating" against Carver here. But little if anything he's said is without basis. Lot of concentration to make a construct etcetera, yes.
But this ignores the fact that Lanterns can not only multitask but can go so far as to create constructs that create OTHER constructs.
It doesn't require active conscious thought for them to do so either.
Kyle Rayner, relative rookie, went so far as to create a TEAM of sentient Green Lantern constructs, each capable of creating their OWN constructs in the Circle of Fire Trade. Even while another villain, one so powerful he took out the rest of the JLA, including Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Wonder Woman, was revealed to ALSO be the creation of Kyle's mind and yet ANOTHER construct!Note that the 3 JLAers just mentioned demonstrated world-moving ability in tandem, too. Note that Kyle's construct contained all of them simultaneously. Note that Kyle still had willpower enough to create a construct team, subconsciously, which acted of its own accord and created yet more constructs.
Use any language you want, it's not "silly" to think Hal can pull or exert force on something he created when a similarly-outfitted Lantern did something so much greater.
That's a great theory and all if it wasn't for the small fact that Kyle's power it was not your standard GL power since the beginning.
Kyle's power was always greater than your regular GL that is why He always performed so well as rookie even with out the training.
Because Kyle's power ring >>>>>>> regular Gl ring.
And that crossover "fight" should not even be called a fight.
Considering Superman can shatter gl constructs alone, to think Hal have power left to also pull is silly as it will require a lot of concentration to make a construct that does not shatter under the pressure of Starbreaker on one side and Superman on the other.
Only thing I can remember having off the top of my head for Hal Jordan is
1) his Brave and the Bold pairing with Loeb's Supergirl under Mark Waid,
2) that encounter with Hulk I showed before in Unlimited Access #1, Volume 1,
3) the fight against Amazo we covered in that other thread, Justice League of America v2, #24,
4) and some skirmishes in Cry for Justice, a miniseries produced a year or few years ago where they fought Prometheus.
Every other showing I've got of Hal Jordan in my collection is probably pre-Crisis, but he certainly didn't need continuous concentration to maintain a construct back then. Your telling me that Kyle Rayner is a special case pre-empts my showing other instances of Kyle multitasking, such as when he creates a spaceship but simultaneously maintains some huge lantern "chains" for Wondy and Superman to help him tow the Moon in "Terror Incognita", but I have a hard time believing Kyle is the only one that can get away with that.
Too bummed out right now by Dara Torres failing her quest to finecomb my collection for any modern Hal multitasks. Right at my fingertips is a showing of yesteryear which SEEMS like it should be a general principle and thus in operation even today.
Justice League #207, Volume 1. Same issue where Wonder Woman's Earth-3 counterpart knocks out Superman. But the Justice Society finds that her escape DIDN'T mean her cell had been destroyed, significant for who CREATED that cell many, many issues before ...
Hal Jordan USED to multitask ...
CSA permanent Lantern Construct prison, FINALLY broken.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcpYPkqNZpc&feature=relmfu
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not sure what your scan is supposed to be showing, blue.But IMO, no, Hal's ring was no greater or worse than a normal GL's. It was his will that was greater.
Relevant part of the scan was the part that mentioned that Hal Jordan FAILED at the test Kyle was given, implying that he had power on roughly the same level as Kyle, and, unlike Kyle, let possessing such power corrupt him.
The power tempation for either hero was "absolute" according to Batman's description, enough to bring Hal his downfall.
As the Green Lantern power ring is responsible for the "super" aspects we see FROM Green Lanterns, one logical explanation for Batman's comment is that the rings of either wearer were roughly equivalent.
