Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Hal Jordan USED to multitask ...
CSA permanent Lantern Construct prison, FINALLY broken.Image 3 of 3.
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Source: Justice League of America #207, Volume 1
(Crisis on Earth-Prime trade, Chapter One)
Writer: Gerry Conway
Penciller: Don Heck
Date: October 1982
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Justice_League_of_America_Vol_1_207
I'm looking where I said "Hal Jordan cannot multitask" but I don't see to find it anywhere, maybe because I never said so.
But to think He will multitask in this situation, is just bad logic. He will need his full concentration to keep this construct together.
Let's see
Hal can can hardly create constructs to stop Superman if any, is actually more likely for Superman tol crack the GL construct's, so, you are trying to tell me that Hal is creating a construct that; besides withstanding the pressure of Superman on one side, (something he fails to do at times) now He is also withstanding the pressure Starbreker is exerting over the construct on the other side AND unconsciously pulling it too???
Alright, for starters, let me say that I understand what the other side is trying to establish. The basic idea is to try to portray Superman as a solo planet mover. The thinking is that, if he has strength enough to do that, he has strength enough to hurt even World Breaker Hulk no matter if WBH has the power to shatter a planet in one go or not.
Further, that if you have Superman then blitz using all that strength, Superman roundly defeats Hulk, healing factor or no.
Correct so far?
Problem with using Justice League of America v2 #29 as proof of Superman's soloEarthmoving ability is that he does NOT do so solo.
He has help, significant help, and not merely with Hal Jordan creating and maintaining a Lantern Harness construct. Hal is pulling as well.
The dialogue makes little sense otherwise.
I really don't know where the idea comes from that a Lantern can't pull and maintain a construct at the same time.
Sadly, this example involves Kyle Rayner, in fact, it is taken from Salsa's album. Perhaps I'll get told again that Kyle's ring is stronger and that Hal couldn't do this. Be interesting to see the response regardless ...
It's worthwhile to mention the Starbreaker ep is a retelling of a Silver Age tale. Explains why there is no Wonder Woman in the scene.
If memory serves correctly, she was absent the original story, too.
Other things worthy of mention, Starbreaker's strength rises and falls according to the resistance he encounters on both physical AND emotional levels. He is not JUST trying to throw Earth into the sun. He is also fighting the JLA on Earth, right in the very streets.
Examine the image and link below for more on this.
The language actually gives further clues.
"We've" got to, not "You've got to, Superman".
And Superman's response, AFTER Hal's harness construct has been created "Add YOUR power to mine ... ".
This, again, is AFTER Hal apologizes for the harness not being a custom fit, so, unless the author is REALLY bad at dialogue, Hal was indeed focused on the task of pulling.
Note the relevant portions circled below.
Important general principle.
Using the following to illustrate:
It is possible to be knocked out temporarily and recover and go on to win a fight. Knockouts have different time durations.
Imagine if DC ever made a comic based on the Superman 2 movie.
How many panels of "off screen" time would be given Superman while the 3 Kryptonians were blowing away the citizens of Metropolis?
Not all THAT many is my guess. Maybe ... a page's worth?
But what had HAPPENED to Superman that he allowed those 3 to do that much damage? Was he just sitting there watching?
Or was he in fact knocked out for a good portion of that time, the most reasonable explanation?
The fact that Superman goes on to win a battle, even convincingly, even to the point where "Round2" looks like a farce, in no way eliminates the fact of him getting dropped in Round1, or even, if you want, knocked out for part of the time between rounds.
Cassius Clay v Henry Cooper.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgPiyMpeEQY
(1 min 42 sec)
Metropolis Bus Knockout. Superman 2 The Movie (ca. 1980 or so)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYKixIJ-lz8&feature=channel&list=UL
(4 min 35 sec)
So Superman only towed AT LEAST half the Earth against a force that was moving it at speed towards the sun, which made the mass required more than half of the earth...
Oh noes...
Except no. Most of the "reasons" are either conjecture or just guess work.
He didn't say "we're the only two that are strong enough to pull".
And what scan showed Hal pulling?
I can't imagine you act like this normally, P.R.
Carver must have given you some grief I'm not aware of in times before now.
Supressing information, censoring people, threatening him with suspension and/or banning, allowing others to insult him without comment and ... ?
Am I missing something here?
Some joke I'm not privy to and Carver's in on it with you guys?
He was right when he said Savage Hulk knocked out pre-Crisis Superman, for instance.
He was also right when he said Superman admitted that Hulk was the strongest opponent he'd ever faced.
I think he might even be right on the Death of the New Gods episode.
I'll have to check.
Indeed, I'm finding that most of what Carver says is accurate, just that people try to ridicule and downplay it as if they actually made a legitimate counter to it, which they've not.
(On the other hand, Carver WOULD benefit from showing more scans to back up his argument. Some things DO need to be shown once in a while.)
At any rate, reference information for the "strongest opponent I've ever faced" episode, a showdown few people know about, and the relevant image ...
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Title: "Double Lives"
Source: Incredible Hulk vs Superman #1, Volume 1
Writer: Roger Stern
Penciller: Steve Rude
Date: July 1999
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http://marvel.wikia.com/Incredible_Hulk_vs._Superman_Vol_1_1