Superman vs WBH-To the Death

Originally posted by -Pr-
Why do you always do this? pr1983

In anything other than comics, you might have an argument. As such, you're ignoring things like Superman's willingness to fight fair, his willingness to take a punch so that innocents don't have to, and his general willingness to, as you put it, gauge his opponents strength.

And the patronising "this is why you do x" statements don't help anyone.

There is nothing special about comics that allows it to ignore logic that can apply to any hypothetical fictional discussion.

They are all subject to the same kinda tropes and character dilemmas and procedure where you argue viable feats and try to eliminate bullshit stuff that doesn't work.

I get all that you are saying. But again, its pointless to what I'm saying.

As I said, this in-character speed argument angle is never able to give an answer to a completely basic question.

Again, answer this to me honestly, if Superman DOES decide that he does want to use his speed as well as he could (and this is a very realistic possibility, seeing as CIS-Less Superman does not really get represented in comics), how could Hulk possibly win?

Seriously, if you could just admit that there is an avenue for Superman to win 10/10 if he simply did something as basic as not be retarded, then this argument could end, and you can go back to the in-character arguments (even though its not relevant to this thread anyway) without me ever bothering you about it again.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Why do you always do this? pr1983

In anything other than comics, you might have an argument. As such, you're ignoring things like Superman's willingness to fight fair, his willingness to take a punch so that innocents don't have to, and his general willingness to, as you put it, gauge his opponents strength.

And the patronising "this is why you do x" statements don't help anyone.

And you need to just stop talking. You're *this* close to getting banned for your hateful trolling.

🙁 I will let you handle it then.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Yes. I know he's WBH mode. But its not something that leaks out without his control.

Seeing as there are scenes where WB Hulk is taking hits from Bi-Beast and the other bricks (tanking them to be sure) in the Dark Dimension, but where was this aura supposedly repelling them away? Surely since he was already in WB mode, they couldn't even be physically close to him yes with this supposed auto-aura?

The gamma aura isn't purely automatic.

Even if it is, its nothing Supes can't power through. It's hardly a supernova powerwise. Not to mention, even if it hurts him intially, Hulk is still immensely too slow to capitalize. Superman will have already recovered to barge in for a second go before Hulk even realizes Superman barged in the first time--hell, before Hulk even has time to blink.

Such is the dilemma of their speed difference; when you're a statue to a guy who can lift any weight that you can, and is at least as durable as you are,can fly, and has ranged attacks and you have no exotic power sets up like Doctor Strange, you're phucked. Completely, phucked.

Sorry. Superman beats Hulk 10/10 in a CIS-Less environment. No argument.

So he powers through, and as usual due to his fighting style (quasi grappler/street fight brawler), so what happens when he rushes him and finds that he is met by far superior strength than his own (it's happened). Then hit by forces similar to those that were capable of KOing him in the past? What then?

I mean the idea of Superman zipping around him laser beaming him, punching, and freeze breathing on him does exist, the question however arises on whether this would be enough to put him down as he grows ever stronger, and more resistant to all forms of damage.

Do you really believe that Superman can stay at the same level of might as WB Hulk? The strength gap according to many past performances against massively strong characters have put Kal on his rear end. Just saying.

Superman blitzes him

Some of the speed theories are out of hand imo, Superman throwing millions of punches before Hulk can react, Hulk's a slug/gnat etc etc. Based on this logic Superman would defeat multiple Hulk's that powerful which is completely ridiculous. An all-out WBH crushes Superman.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Some of the speed theories are out of hand imo, Superman throwing millions of punches before Hulk can react, Hulk's a slug/gnat etc etc. Based on this logic Superman would defeat multiple Hulk's that powerful which is completely ridiculous. An all-out WBH crushes Superman.

The problem here is not only speed but can Superman hurt WBH.
I don't think he can.
But I also think a cis less Superman won't get hit either.

At best Superman will stalemate and at worst WBH will crush him. There is no way I know of that Superman wins, unless there some exotic stuff I don't know about.

Originally posted by h1a8
The problem here is not only speed but can Superman hurt WBH.
I don't think he can.
But I also think a cis less Superman won't get hit either.

At best Superman will stalemate and at worst WBH will crush him. There is no way I know of that Superman wins, unless there some exotic stuff I don't know about.

Wbh is definitely stronger than pre boot super mans consistent levels by a substantial margin. Going by this forums conception of CIS, he should win this.

Some Hulk fans think Savage Hulk will even defeat Pre-Crisis Superman.

If they think that, talking about this is even more a waste of time.

I think this will be a closer fight.

But seriously think about it, if someone thinks Savage Hulk can defeat PC Superman, what hopes you have into talking sense to that same person?

Not a lot of Heralds can take the forces WBH can dish out, but Superman is one of them.

Of course is going to affect him.

Imagine two boxers one can punch really hard but the other one besides punching hard also moves fast.

Make your own conclusions.

Superman

Originally posted by h1a8
The problem here is not only speed but can Superman hurt WBH.
I don't think he can.
But I also think a cis less Superman won't get hit either.

At best Superman will stalemate and at worst WBH will crush him. There is no way I know of that Superman wins, unless there some exotic stuff I don't know about.

You don't think superman can hurt WBH? He's hurt SBP.

Whoever thinks Savage Hulk can beat Pre Crisis Superman is retarded. Savage gave him a run for his money, even flash koed him but defeating him entirely, that sh** ain't happening.

Superman wins here. WBH has no answer for the speed and strength combo that Supes can dish out CIS-less

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
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I have a question for the OP.

Isn't HOTM Hulk basically a CIS off Hulk who is willing to kill?

isn't NE superman's most powerful blow (using his speed) the shadow moon buster? if so speed kills, yes, but it won't be the guy he slams into.

not sure if he can hit someone at faster speeds than the one in that instance.

So is this new 52 Supes or pre? Has his heat vision shown any differences in it's strength/heat?
I've seen an argument with these two where someone says Supes can just stay in orbit and use his most potent heat vision to lobotomize Hulk...

Would Supes (either version) have heat vision that powerful to do this to WB Hulk? Or would that have to be a morals off Supes?

Superman is AT MINIMUM as strong as WBH ... And that's being extremely generous. Supes is definitely more durable. He's faster (by A LOT... Actually "A LOT" isnt even sufficient) and he can fly. How exactly can hulk win here?

Originally posted by whacknasty
So is this new 52 Supes or pre? Has his heat vision shown any differences in it's strength/heat?
I've seen an argument with these two where someone says Supes can just stay in orbit and use his most potent heat vision to lobotomize Hulk...

Would Supes (either version) have heat vision that powerful to do this to WB Hulk? Or would that have to be a morals off Supes?

New 52 Superman dies a painful death.

Originally posted by juggerman
Superman wins here. WBH has no answer for the speed and strength combo that Supes can dish out CIS-less

And Superman has no answer for the OMNI blast that will hit him in the face as soon as he try to punch Hulk. Once this happens, once Superman rams into this (which would most likely be as soon as the bell rings), Hulk kills him.