Ultron War

So are there ongoing multiversal cracks? Or just the few that we saw?

I didn't quite get the whole future-Pym sending the code deal. Can someone explain it?

Also, lol at a couple time-jumps collapsing the multiverse. The HAD to play it off like this was just the straw that broke the camel's back, because time shenanigans have been around forever.

I love how Angela had nothing to do with anything. Oh, here's little ole me, riding a blood skull through space at the end of a story about dinosaurs and a robot.

Worst. Event. Ever. DCnU effectively killed my DC interest. Cancel ASM, introduce this cluster**** of an event. Marvel is threatening the same for me. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm done with the main companies forever in about 6 months.

you don't like dcnu? really? i think most of the titles i've read have been very good. i didn't like it on principle initially, but i can't argue with the stories that have come from it....

Originally posted by leonidas
you don't like dcnu? really? i think most of the titles i've read have been very good. i didn't like it on principle initially, but i can't argue with the stories that have come from it....

The stories aren't the issue. There will always be good and bad writers/stories/etc. in the main companies. And unless sales numbers dropped significantly since I last checked, it was a good move for DC.

This issue was, I didn't want to start over. Especially with JSA. Their identity was their legacy and status as the moral compass of DC. If I wanted to read another coming-of-age formation of a superhero team, I'd pick up literally any other team title. I mean, Jay Garrick went from elder statesman of most of the heroes in DC to a parkour-loving teen. Try to tell me it's the same guy I loved. I don't feel like following them for a couple more decades to hope they morph into what I once really enjoyed.

Also, maybe it's not as obvious to many, but Stormwatch has been neutered. DC's a status quo universe. Wildstorm was an anything-goes universe. For example, the world got wrecked, like Mad Max x10 wrecked, and there was no fix. No magical reset button, nothing. And the heroes (and people) of WS had to deal with the consequences and fallout. It was fascinating, and nothing that the Big 2 could do outside of alternate futures or limited-run arcs. Now, take characters who belong there, and put them in a status quo universe, and I feel like I'm just reading the JLA without their morning coffee. It's upsetting.

And those were my books. There may be other good stories out there, but none that I cared enough about to become a regular reader. If those two hadn't been so fundamentally changed, I would have been more on board. I may start reading He-Man - a character largely immune to DCnU changes - as well as the Master of the Universe/DC crossover. Otherwise, I haven't touched a DC book in months.

I HATE what they did to the JSA 🙁

Originally posted by -K-M-
I HATE what they did to the JSA 🙁

This x 9001.

I tried to get into Earth-2, but I just can't.

Originally posted by Digi
The stories aren't the issue. There will always be good and bad writers/stories/etc. in the main companies. And unless sales numbers dropped significantly since I last checked, it was a good move for DC.

This issue was, I didn't want to start over. Especially with JSA. Their identity was their legacy and status as the moral compass of DC. If I wanted to read another coming-of-age formation of a superhero team, I'd pick up literally any other team title. I mean, Jay Garrick went from elder statesman of most of the heroes in DC to a parkour-loving teen. Try to tell me it's the same guy I loved. I don't feel like following them for a couple more decades to hope they morph into what I once really enjoyed.

Also, maybe it's not as obvious to many, but Stormwatch has been neutered. DC's a status quo universe. Wildstorm was an anything-goes universe. For example, the world got wrecked, like Mad Max x10 wrecked, and there was no fix. No magical reset button, nothing. And the heroes (and people) of WS had to deal with the consequences and fallout. It was fascinating, and nothing that the Big 2 could do outside of alternate futures or limited-run arcs. Now, take characters who belong there, and put them in a status quo universe, and I feel like I'm just reading the JLA without their morning coffee. It's upsetting.

And those were my books. There may be other good stories out there, but none that I cared enough about to become a regular reader. If those two hadn't been so fundamentally changed, I would have been more on board. I may start reading He-Man - a character largely immune to DCnU changes - as well as the Master of the Universe/DC crossover. Otherwise, I haven't touched a DC book in months.

Hmmmm, every generation deserves it's version of both DC and Marvel heroes.

Good point about Wildstorm though.

Quick question.. The fallout of the recent Ultron event sent 616 Galactus to the ultimate universe correct? Isn't interdeminsional travel not that big of a deal to Galactus? Couldn't he eat a planet or two then if not just be along his way?

Am I wrong?

Also I think it would of been neat if his daughter was sent instead.. Had to take up that universes role of planet eater. A serious threat with a not so serious attitude carrying a fundamental burden for the survival of the universe.

Originally posted by soopercavell
Hmmmm, every generation deserves it's version of both DC and Marvel heroes.

I get that, and that's a business decision. Perhaps a sound one. But some will be left out in the cold, figuratively. I was among those left out.

I also wouldn't have been as upset if the fundamental purposes of the teams had been left intact. JSA undoubtedly was not. Hell, in Earth-2, the Big 3 had already heroically sacrificed themselves in battle before the JSA is formed. The role of elder role models was usurped by Kal, Bruce, and Diana before the book even started.

Originally posted by soopercavell
Good point about Wildstorm though.

Apparently I'm in the minority here. Maybe that's why WS went under. There was nothing safe about their universe. People died - heroes, villains - and didn't return. When bad stuff went down, the populace remembered. It feared the Authority to an extent, and all "heroes," perhaps with good reason. Those were issues DC could never explore at length in their main universe. A character dies, fans cry, they bring them back (see: Selina Kyle; John Stewart). Deckchairs are rearranged, but the universe feels largely the same. Maybe I'm just tired of it.

For the record, I'd still follow ASM if Peter was around. When he inevitably comes back, I'll probably jump on board. Until then, there's literally not a single title I need to follow right now. I miss WS way more than I thought I would. I think I could deal with the DCnU if WS were still around. As it is, I've been done with them for a while and haven't looked back.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Quick question.. The fallout of the recent Ultron event sent 616 Galactus to the ultimate universe correct? Isn't interdeminsional travel not that big of a deal to Galactus? Couldn't he eat a planet or two then if not just be along his way?

Am I wrong?

Also I think it would of been neat if his daughter was sent instead.. Had to take up that universes role of planet eater. A serious threat with a not so serious attitude carrying a fundamental burden for the survival of the universe.

It makes sense if a crack appeared to him and he ripped it wide open. But alas, who knows what will happen.

Also, just finished this event. Did that happen in 616 then?
What a cluster**** though. Only the last issue was in anyway decent. Did not feel like an event at all. Just a normal comic.

Bendis: Hank needed a win! And he got it. And for those who wanted to know where Ultron was during Age of Ultron, there he is! Yay!

People go, "Where's Ultron?" It's "Age of Ultron," This is the world of Ultron, not Ultron. I know that's bullsh*tty, but I'm saying it. There you go.

http://www.newsarama.com/18143-bendis-details-age-of-ultron-finale-implications-spoilers.html

It's not "bullsh*tty," Bendis. It's straight bullsh*t.

Imagine Age of Apocalypse with Apocalypse barely showing up at all (not even in the tie-ins) whilst running his empire from underground or the astral plane and then showing up only for the last fight... except it's not even the Apocalypse that ruled the world but a past one who didn't even get to rule the world yet... and the final climactic fight recycled 8 entire pages from a years-old comic where he's ignominiously defeated by Cable with a plot device TO virus hack.

Then the twist ending of the entire event is Bomb Queen -- an erstwhile (yet still irrelevant) supervillain rival of Image's Savage Dragon -- showing up for absolutely no reason riding Fin Fang Foom's severed head in space.

This is Age of Ultron in a nutshell.

Bendis is one of the worst things that has happened to Marvel for a long time.

And, sadly, it doesn't look like they're going to reign him in anytime soon.

Originally posted by ODG
Bendis: Hank needed a win! And he got it. And for those who wanted to know where Ultron was during Age of Ultron, there he is! Yay!

People go, "Where's Ultron?" It's "Age of Ultron," This is the world of Ultron, not Ultron. I know that's bullsh*tty, but I'm saying it. There you go.

http://www.newsarama.com/18143-bendis-details-age-of-ultron-finale-implications-spoilers.html

It's not "bullsh*tty," Bendis. It's straight [b]bullsh*t.

Imagine Age of Apocalypse with Apocalypse barely showing up at all (not even in the tie-ins) whilst running his empire from underground or the astral plane and then showing up only for the last fight... except it's not even the Apocalypse that ruled the world but a past one who didn't even get to rule the world yet... and the final climactic fight recycled 8 entire pages from a years-old comic where he's ignominiously defeated by Cable with a plot device TO virus hack.

Then the twist ending of the entire event is Bomb Queen -- an erstwhile (yet still irrelevant) supervillain rival of Image's Savage Dragon -- showing up for absolutely no reason riding Fin Fang Foom's severed head in space.

This is Age of Ultron in a nutshell. [/B]

😂

Go to hell Bendis. I absolutely detest when writers try to pass off that type of crap as some groundbreaking new material.

Talks about incorporating two different genres into the event when in reality it's just him slapping some spare ideas onto a paer and titling it Age of Ultron...without Ultron.

He's the Michael Bay of comic books.

You think he sucks, you've never met anyone that doesn't think he sucks, but he always manages to get work because his films do well at the box office.

Bendis needs to team up with Liefeld in the next multiverse shattering event. Starring Luke Cage and Cable.

I love the fact he tells it as if Pym hasn't punked Ultron several times already, I bet its Pym the one that has the most wins against his son.

I can handle Bendis on ongoings. Heck, he's actually done good work on them. But his events are phucking garbage, through and through. At best, he has a decent concept for a story, even if it's just a popcorn sort of action packed summer "blockbuster".

And impossibly, this shit sells. And sells well.

Originally posted by ODG
Bendis: Hank needed a win! And he got it. And for those who wanted to know where Ultron was during Age of Ultron, there he is! Yay!

People go, "Where's Ultron?" It's "Age of Ultron," This is the world of Ultron, not Ultron. I know that's bullsh*tty, but I'm saying it. There you go.

http://www.newsarama.com/18143-bendis-details-age-of-ultron-finale-implications-spoilers.html

It's not "bullsh*tty," Bendis. It's straight [b]bullsh*t.

Imagine Age of Apocalypse with Apocalypse barely showing up at all (not even in the tie-ins) whilst running his empire from underground or the astral plane and then showing up only for the last fight... except it's not even the Apocalypse that ruled the world but a past one who didn't even get to rule the world yet... and the final climactic fight recycled 8 entire pages from a years-old comic where he's ignominiously defeated by Cable with a plot device TO virus hack.

Then the twist ending of the entire event is Bomb Queen -- an erstwhile (yet still irrelevant) supervillain rival of Image's Savage Dragon -- showing up for absolutely no reason riding Fin Fang Foom's severed head in space.

This is Age of Ultron in a nutshell. [/B]

This post was just swell

I'm just glad he's never done a Kang event, Ultron was written as a flamboyant rambler the few panels he appeared on.

Thinking about it, it sounded more like Kang that actual Ultron, and I mean Kang when he's into his over-the-top-mustachoid-blackhatted-villain mode.

Originally posted by ODG
Bendis: Hank needed a win! And he got it. And for those who wanted to know where Ultron was during Age of Ultron, there he is! Yay!

People go, "Where's Ultron?" It's "Age of Ultron," This is the world of Ultron, not Ultron. I know that's bullsh*tty, but I'm saying it. There you go.

http://www.newsarama.com/18143-bendis-details-age-of-ultron-finale-implications-spoilers.html

It's not "bullsh*tty," Bendis. It's straight [b]bullsh*t.

Imagine Age of Apocalypse with Apocalypse barely showing up at all (not even in the tie-ins) whilst running his empire from underground or the astral plane and then showing up only for the last fight... except it's not even the Apocalypse that ruled the world but a past one who didn't even get to rule the world yet... and the final climactic fight recycled 8 entire pages from a years-old comic where he's ignominiously defeated by Cable with a plot device TO virus hack.

Then the twist ending of the entire event is Bomb Queen -- an erstwhile (yet still irrelevant) supervillain rival of Image's Savage Dragon -- showing up for absolutely no reason riding Fin Fang Foom's severed head in space.

This is Age of Ultron in a nutshell. [/B]

Reminds me of people reviewing the House of the Dead movie 😄 And then the reviewer says "Where's the house?" 😄