Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The Ion power didn't really do anything for Yat.I mean, sure, for all intents and purposes, it should have, but based on what we actually saw, Yat didn't perform up to par.
Truth is that compared to his pre-upgrade version being transformed into ION seems more like a down-grade feats wise.
Yat has better feats as GL than as ION, but so is many characters in comics, top of my head is Thor, but We accept that other versions of Thor are more powerful than regular Thor, because of the implied power.
If you consider the power of Ion when residing in Kyle then it means that any Ion is really powerful.
But yes his upgrade seemed more like a downgrade, especially since he does not has any feats worth mentioning as ION.
Originally posted by biensalsa
Yat has better feats as GL than as ION, but so is many characters in comics, top of my head is Thor, but We accept that other versions of Thor are more powerful than regular Thor, because of the implied power.
This is a key point. WWH is implied to be more powerful than Savage Hulk, yet, IMO, Savage Hulk's feats are superior.
Originally posted by biensalsa
Truth is that compared to his pre-upgrade version being transformed into ION seems more like a down-grade feats wise.Yat has better feats as GL than as ION, but so is many characters in comics, top of my head is Thor, but We accept that other versions of Thor are more powerful than regular Thor, because of the implied power.
If you consider the power of Ion when residing in Kyle then it means that any Ion is really powerful.
But yes his upgrade seemed more like a downgrade, especially since he does not has any feats worth mentioning as ION.
Even his GL feats don't translate into him beating Thor and Hulk. His lip service as a rookie with the potential to be as good as any veteran is cool and all as is the fact that he's a Daxamite to begin with, but the equation that Daxamite + GL ring + Ion Power > Thor/Hulk doesn't hold any water to me personally when you look at what they actually display.
Those other forms of Thor also have feats way outside of regular Thor's capabilities. King Thor didn't shield 1/5 of the Universe from being destroyed with Mjolnir like classic Thor...but he had eyebeams capable of rage stomping adamantium and Cap's shield and one shot killed the Destroyer Armor. Rune King Thor hardly had any combat worthy feats...except for instantly depowering Mangog and turning him into wind and no selling a Loki who was amped to Skyfather level.
Yat, on the other hand, once he was given the Ion power, didn't really do anything. The implied power/lip service treatment was there, sure. But his best feat/fight was his battle with Prime, something that either Hulk or Thor or any competent high herald at their best could replicate in the pages of a comic.
Even Kyle was nerfed with the Ion power before long. And it's certainly not reasonable to project anything Kyle did as Ion onto Yat at all.
Which is exactly my point. And it doesn't make sense to basically use a "could have been/should have been" form of Yat Ion instead of the Yat Ion we got.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
This is a key point. WWH is implied to be more powerful than Savage Hulk, yet, IMO, Savage Hulk's feats are superior.
He has high end feats which are better than WBH's, but on the consistent average portrayal, it's clear that WBH is more powerful than Savage Hulk through feats.
King Thor hasn't absorbed energy enough to destroy a galaxy or prevent universal destruction, but we clearly know he's more powerful than classic Thor based on the stuff he did on panel that classic Thor never could.
Obviously, Yat with the Ion power is more powerful than Yat with just a GL ring, but he's nowhere close to anything Kyle did. Yat doesn't get to ride on Kyle's coat tails with the Ion power nor use his implied power statements as proof he beats both Thor and Hulk. Yat gets to use his feats as both a GL and as Ion to his credit, nothing more, nothing less.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I can say the same thing about many Marvel characters who we all assume to be skyfathers and above.
Okay. And it would be a valid point in a thread where one of these alleged characters is pitted against someone.
Per this thread, though, a lot of the arguments being made for Yat is based on guess work and how people feel a Daxamite + GL ring + Ion power should perform instead of how he did.
His battle with Prime is certainly not enough to argue he beats both Thor and Hulk at the same time. And his rookie GL feats don't amount to much, either.
Question: If one accepts Yat's showing against Prime as legit, how does one then say that the team wins (unless you also think that Thor/Hulk > SBP)? Prime ran through heralds like they were tissue paper, and Yat fought him damn tough until he got exposed to lead.
I don't have an opinion on this fight, but I always think about the above when Yat's in any thread against heralds.
Originally posted by Harbinger
Question: If one accepts Yat's showing against Prime as legit, how does one then say that the team wins (unless you also think that Thor/Hulk > SBP)? Prime ran through heralds like they were tissue paper, and Yat fought him damn tough until he got exposed to lead.I don't have an opinion on this fight, but I always think about the above when Yat's in any thread against heralds.
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I always think the same too when I see Yats name.
Based on his performance vs Prime alone, he should shitstomp Thor & Hulk. Even with lead poisoning.
Originally posted by Harbinger
Question: If one accepts Yat's showing against Prime as legit, how does one then say that the team wins (unless you also think that Thor/Hulk > SBP)? Prime ran through heralds like they were tissue paper, and Yat fought him damn tough until he got exposed to lead.I don't have an opinion on this fight, but I always think about the above when Yat's in any thread against heralds.
Because of Thor and Hulk's feats.
Thor and Hulk together don't have to be > Prime in order to beat Yat. And Prime fighting ninja-law influenced teams doesn't change that, either.
Personally, I find it weird that Yat's uphill fight with Prime is used as the sole basis on how he'd not only beat, but apparently easily handle people who have had just as if not more challenging battles under their belt.
Originally posted by Sundipped
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I always think the same too when I see Yats name.Based on his performance vs Prime alone, he should shitstomp Thor & Hulk. Even with lead poisoning.
Problem with this is that you're not taking into account the performance of Thor and Hulk against the beings they've faced and survived against.
The idea that Yat wins against Thor and Hulk with lead poisoning is doubtful. The idea that Yat, based solely on his fight with Prime, "shitstomps" Thor and Hulk is ridiculous and ignores, well, everything Thor and Hulk have ever done.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Problem with this is that you're not taking into account the performance of Thor and Hulk against the beings they've faced and survived against.The idea that Yat wins against Thor and Hulk with lead poisoning is doubtful. The idea that Yat, based solely on his fight with Prime, "shitstomps" Thor and Hulk is ridiculous and ignores, well, everything Thor and Hulk have ever done.
Ok I might have went out on a limb saying Yat could do it while poisoned.
Other than that, Thor and Hulk are not beating anyone who legitimately stalemated a certified trans level being in Prime. It's almost like pitting them against Thanos. Except with speed and a little more power.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Ok I might have went out on a limb saying Yat could do it while poisoned.Other than that, Thor and Hulk are not beating anyone who legitimately stalemated a certified trans level being in Prime. It's almost like pitting them against Thanos. Except with speed and a little more power.
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No, it's nothing at all like putting them against Thanos, who would have given Prime a far better fight than Yat did. Let's put an end to that line of thought right away.
Thanos would beat the crap out of Yat.