Gladiator vs Silver Surfer vs Beta Ray Bill

Originally posted by carver9
They didn't hold up Asgard. Look at the ft more closely.

Originally posted by carver9
They didn't hold up Asgard. Look at the ft more closely.

Originally posted by Harbinger
It'd help if you posted scans of the feat.

I think the feat is pretty clear. They brought it down and caught it with physical strength. Then used the hammers to put it back in it's place.

To be honest it just seems like nitpicking to be all "Omg look their hammers are glowing! they didn't lift it!"

lol, I'm f*cking with carver more than anything (hence the italics around "post scans"😉 😂

IMO the intent of that incident was to show the two of them lifting Asgard. It doesn't seem like they could have held it up for long though.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I think the feat is pretty clear. They brought it down and caught it with physical strength. Then used the hammers to put it back in it's place.

Originally posted by Galan007
Bill
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Surfer, narrowly.

What makes you think Bill is stronger than Glads?

I don't see how Bill is more durable than the Surfer. What makes you think so?

Bill doesn't use shields, unless you are talking about blocking or absorbing stuff with Mjolnir. If that is the case then I agree.

Lastly you know that Surfer has destroyed planets with blasts and have black hole blasts right? These are greater than any blasts that Bill has shown in his career.

Originally posted by h1a8
What makes you think Bill is stronger than Glads?

I don't see how Bill is more durable than the Surfer. What makes you think so?

Bill doesn't use shields, unless you are talking about blocking or absorbing stuff with Mjolnir. If that is the case then I agree.

Lastly you know that Surfer has destroyed planets with blasts and have black hole blasts right? These are greater than any blasts that Bill has shown in his career.

Tanked black holes. Tanked planetary explosions. Tanked a nova. Tanked a blast from Galactus (a blast which destroyed the planet he was near.) Surfer may very well be higher here. Don't care.

OP said shielding could be used. That's why I ranked Bill higher.

Manifesting black holes isn't really energy projection, per se. It's more of a time/space manipulation feat. Either way, I mainly based my opinion here on the fact that Stormbreaker=Mjolnir in every possible way.

Originally posted by Galan007
Stated why on the last page.

Tanked black holes. Tanked planetary explosions. Tanked a nova. Tanked a blast from Galactus (a blast which destroyed the planet he was near.) Surfer may very well be higher here. Don't care.

OP said shielding could be used. That's why I ranked Bill higher.

Manifesting black holes isn't really energy projection, per se. It's more of a time/space manipulation feat. Either way, I mainly based my opinion here on the fact that Stormbreaker=Mjolnir in every possible way.

You referring to the Asgard feat? If that is the case then Glads is still stronger than Bill by feats.

Bill never tanked a black hole. He was being pulled but never entered the event horizon. Surfer tanked Galactus level blasts several times before.

I asked what were you referring to about Bill's shielding? I said he doesn't have shielding unless you are talking about him blocking things with SB. Is that what you mean by shielding?

If black hole blasts doesn't count then what about Surfer destroying planets with mere blast? Does Bill have any energy projection feats that compare?

Lastly, I disagree with using SB to count's as someone's feats of strength. The OP wanted to know who is naturally stronger. Give Glads SB and he can achieve the same feats of strength as Bill (destroying planets, lifting Asgard (he can without SB though), etc.)

Also Bill destroy planets and cracked Galactus by flying into them. This is not a strength feat but a hammer durability feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
You referring to the Asgard feat? If that is the case then Glads is still stronger than Bill by feats.

Bill never tanked a black hole. He was being pulled but never entered the event horizon. Surfer tanked Galactus level blasts several times before.

I asked what were you referring to about Bill's shielding? I said he doesn't have shielding unless you are talking about him blocking things with SB. Is that what you mean by shielding?

If black hole blasts doesn't count then what about Surfer destroying planets with mere blast? Does Bill have any energy projection feats that compare?

Lastly, I disagree with using SB to count's as someone's feats of strength. The OP wanted to know who is naturally stronger. Give Glads SB and he can achieve the same feats of strength as Bill (destroying planets, lifting Asgard (he can without SB though), etc.)

Also Bill destroy planets and cracked Galactus by flying into them. This is not a strength feat but a hammer durability feat.

He HAS tanked black holes.

OP says that shielding can be used in the second durability scenario--and yes, Bill does have shields.

Again, I was just going by the fact that Stormbreaker=Mjolnir. But no, Bill doesn't have any feats in which he's used Stormbreaker to destroy worlds. He's just used it to own Heralds.

Bill busted planets and cracked Galactus' armor by HITTING them. If you disgaree, I suggest you have another look at those feats. I just did. I'd also like to remind you that Bill did much, much better against WM Thor than Surfer did, for what's it's worth. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Not just the Asgard feat. I also included punching/striking feats as well.

He HAS tanked black holes.

OP says that shielding can be used in the second durability scenario--and yes, Bill does have shields.

Again, I was just going by the fact that Stormbreaker=Mjolnir. But no, Bill doesn't have any feats in which he's used Stormbreaker to destroy worlds. He's just used it to own Heralds.

Bill busted planets and cracked Galactus' armor by HITTING them. If you disgaree, I suggest you have another look at those feats. I just did. I'd also like to remind you that Bill did much, much better against WM Thor than Surfer did, for what's it's worth. 🙂

It was B&T Thor, not warrior madness Thor, but he did held his own against B&T Thor, that beat the living sh** out SS that stop holding back against Thor. BRB is superior than Gladiator, and BRB=Thor(holding back)!

Originally posted by the Darkone
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It was B&T Thor, not warrior madness Thor, but he did held his own against B&T Thor, that beat the living sh** out SS that stop holding back against Thor. BRB is superior than Gladiator, and BRB=Thor(holding back)!

Originally posted by Galan007
Not just the Asgard feat. I also included punching/striking feats as well.

He HAS tanked black holes.

OP says that shielding can be used in the second durability scenario--and yes, Bill does have shields.

Again, I was just going by the fact that Stormbreaker=Mjolnir. But no, Bill doesn't have any feats in which he's used Stormbreaker to destroy worlds. He's just used it to own Heralds.

Bill busted planets and cracked Galactus' armor by HITTING them. If you disgaree, I suggest you have another look at those feats. I just did. I'd also like to remind you that Bill did much, much better against WM Thor than Surfer did, for what's it's worth. 🙂

The striking feats you named with SB cannot be used as strength feats, especially the ones where he has flown into a planet and busted it. A damn human can even do that (but won't survive). Gladiator is clearly stronger than Bill and will do the same if he too had a hammer like SB.

I seen and read the scene where Bill went up against the black hole. He didn't enter the event horizon. In the event horizon light can not escape. Outside the event light can escape. In physics we learn that outside the event horizon you are perfectly safe, it is being inside that destroys you.

Bill blocking a blast head on with SB is not shielding (as what the OP meant) unless the hammer is his shield. I see you were looking at the spherical energy around Bill when Stardust was blasting him. But again Bill was blocking the blast head on. That means if the blast was one foot higher then it would have hit Bill.

IMO, feats cannot be shared. That means Thor's feats only belong to Thor and Bill's feats only belong to Bill.

I never said or implied that Bill didn't hit Galactus or the planet. How else would he have done the damage lol? The problem is that you are using it as a pure strength feat. I agree that if the OP had striking as an item then Bill would win. But clearly he meant who is physically stronger. You must provide feats where Bill uses his hands only against the object.

Originally posted by Galan007
Bill busted planets and cracked Galactus' armor by HITTING them.

Really, Galan?

C'mon, that shit pales to Gladiator punching apart a dead space rock with his bare hands.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, it was B&T Thor, my mistake. Either way, he was hugely powerful--he literally 2-shotted Surfer, iirc. Then Bill popped in (this time without the moral constraints that withheld him from unleashing on Thor beforehand) and beat the crap out of Thor. Hugely impressive, imo.

Originally posted by h1a8
I seen and read the scene where Bill went up against the black hole.

Bill blocking a blast head on with SB is not shielding (as what the OP meant) unless the hammer is his shield. I see you were looking at the spherical energy around Bill when Stardust was blasting him. But again Bill was blocking the blast head on. That means if the blast was one foot higher then it would have hit Bill.

I agree that if the OP had striking as an item then Bill would win. But clearly he meant who is physically stronger.

Bill has manifested fully encapsulating shields on a few occasions. I suggest you read up on his capabilities a bit.

Then the thread starter clearly should have stated such. You want lifting feats? Bill has held up half of Asgard. Has Gladiator ever held anything quite that size? Lifting the Baxter Building isn't even comparable, btw. Furthermore, my original post was in response to OTHERS who had already credited Glads as stronger than the others, due to his 'planet busting feat'--a feat accomplished via striking. Bill has also busted planets with far less effort, via striking. He's also cracked Galactus's armor, and owned multiple heralds, via striking. BRB has always been depicted as Thor's equal--and in some cases, his superior.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Really, Galan?

C'mon, that shit pales to Gladiator punching apart a dead space rock with his bare hands.

Bill has manifested fully encapsulating shields on a few occasions. I suggest you read up on his capabilities a bit.

Originally posted by Galan007
Bill's gone up against black holes on a few occasions. No sweat.

When was that, i really dont remember. I know he was close to a Black Hole in the fight against Stardust, but im not sure if he was inside the hole.

Bill has manifested fully encapsulating shields on a few occasions. I suggest you read up on his capabilities a bit.

I think this Ship should have the same saze, if not more:

Bill has also busted planets with far less effort, via striking.

I only remember him busting a planet in the fight with Stardust. He destroyed any other planet ?

Originally posted by Galan007
Bill's gone up against black holes on a few occasions. No sweat.

Bill has manifested fully encapsulating shields on a few occasions. I suggest you read up on his capabilities a bit.

Then the thread starter clearly should have stated such. You want lifting feats? Bill has held up half of Asgard. Has Gladiator ever held anything quite that size? Lifting the Baxter Building isn't even comparable, btw. Furthermore, my original post was in response to OTHERS who had already credited Glads as stronger than the others, due to his 'planet busting feat'--a feat accomplished via striking. Bill has also busted planets with far less effort, via striking. He's also cracked Galactus's armor, and owned multiple heralds, via striking. BRB has always been depicted as Thor's equal--and in some cases, his superior.

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I know the feats you are referring to and NO Bill has never entered a black hole. Yes he has fought against the pull from the outside though. But this isn't the same.

I disagree that they were encapsulating shields. I just think that's how Stormbreaker was purposely deflecting the blasts. Otherwise why block the blast head on? Nevermind E posted a scan of Bill using a shield. I concede here as this shielding is not important to me.

Busting a planet into pieces with a few punches>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lifting half of Asgard with hammer help.

LOL you are stubborn. Getting like Quanchi eh? I made a point that feats with the hammer aren't feats without the hammer. The hammer provides many times more force than Bill can provide with his bare hands. How does Bill's striking feats with Stormbreaker prove he is stronger than Glads WITHOUT STORMBREAKER? That makes no sense. If I use a tool that amps my striking multiple times over then how does that show I'm physically stronger than someone who is actually stronger than me?

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
I think this Ship should have the same saze, if not more:

Originally posted by h1a8
Busting a planet into pieces with a few punches>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lifting half of Asgard with hammer help.

1- Strengh: Gladiator, Bill, Surfer
2- Durability: Gladiator, Bill, Surfer
3- Durability (using force fields this time): Bill, Surfer, Gladiator
4- Speed: Surfer, Gladiator, Bill
5- Reflexes: Gladiator, Surfer.........Bill
6- Energy projection: Surfer, Bill, Gladiator

7- Who win the fight: Gladiator vs Silver Surfer vs Beta Ray Bill: Surfer, Gladiator, Bill