Diana is the biggest problem here as she has the Aegis shield which protects her entire being. She also has lasso possibilities.
I'm going with the Surfer for a slight majority here as I see him always trying to stay ranged while using nasty attacks such as black hole blasts, red sun radiation, etc. This would be a fight of cat and mouse where the members are chasing Surfer around, unless Surfer somehow decides to stand his ground (which would be foolish).
But make no mistake, Surfer's chin isn't that great. If any of them catch and stun him then the team can win.
P.S. I would love to here some other good arguments for the team though.
Black Holes? Superman isn't going to be sitting there letting the Surfer make black holes. The Surfer has no combat speed feats close to Superman. Superman himself can drain energy, unknown to many people here it seems. Superman is a LOT stronger than the Surfer. Thor head butted the Surfer and dented his head. What do you think happens when Superman connects with him (and he will)? Superman's eye beams will do some serious damage to the Surfer, considering what NORMAL LASERS have done to him. They seem to be a big weakness of the Surfer's. And Superman's eye beams can get much MUCH more powerful than the lasers that have messed up the Surfer. I don't even need to bring Wonder Woman into this, because Superman alone is enough to take out the Surfer.
Oh, and if the Surfer does make a black hole, Superman grabs it and throws it at him. (don't laugh, he's done it before).
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Black Holes? Superman isn't going to be sitting there letting the Surfer make black holes. The Surfer has no combat speed feats close to Superman. Superman himself can drain energy, unknown to many people here it seems. Superman is a LOT stronger than the Surfer. Thor head butted the Surfer and dented his head. What do you think happens when Superman connects with him (and he will)? Superman's eye beams will do some serious damage to the Surfer, considering what NORMAL LASERS have done to him. They seem to be a big weakness of the Surfer's. And Superman's eye beams can get much MUCH more powerful than the lasers that have messed up the Surfer. I don't even need to bring Wonder Woman into this, because Superman alone is enough to take out the Surfer.Oh, and if the Surfer does make a black hole, Superman grabs it and throws it at him. (don't laugh, he's done it before).
Your argument is terrible. That's like saying"since Zod broke Superman jaw, Surfer can".
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Black Holes? Superman isn't going to be sitting there letting the Surfer make black holes. The Surfer has no combat speed feats close to Superman. Superman himself can drain energy, unknown to many people here it seems. Superman is a LOT stronger than the Surfer. Thor head butted the Surfer and dented his head. What do you think happens when Superman connects with him (and he will)? Superman's eye beams will do some serious damage to the Surfer, considering what NORMAL LASERS have done to him. They seem to be a big weakness of the Surfer's. And Superman's eye beams can get much MUCH more powerful than the lasers that have messed up the Surfer. I don't even need to bring Wonder Woman into this, because Superman alone is enough to take out the Surfer.Oh, and if the Surfer does make a black hole, Superman grabs it and throws it at him. (don't laugh, he's done it before).
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
If SS was as strong as Zod he could (but he's not). Superman is at a MINIMUM twice as strong as Thor. And that's being very generous to Thor.
People apply the no limits fallacy to the SS more than maybe any other character in comics. To hear some people talk about him he's a high level skyfather. The fact is CIS off isn't going to help his durability. He's been one-shot a number of times, lasers really f*** him up, and he's got one of the worst glass jaws in comics. Superman's combat speed is superior to the Surfer's, and Wonder Woman's might be too.
You hear the dumbest arguments on this site about the Surfer. People claim he can turn Superman into a cookie, he can make a black hole in people's brains, and all kinds of ridiculous claims that never seem to happen in any comics.
I recall even Rage admitting Superman is stronger than Thor. I doubt many people think they are equals in strength. Thor and Beta Ray Bill combined could barely hold up Asgard together and it didn't look like they could hold it for long, which looked like it was the size of a large mountain or two. Superman lifted infinite weight a couple of times and Maggedon is supposed to be the size of Jupiter. If Thor is denting the Surfer's head, Superman would do far worse. And like he said, durability has nothing to do with CIS.
I'm a superfan because I don't think the SS can beat two of the most powerful high heralds at once? Did the SS get an upgrade to a trans level character that I missed? I also don't think he can beat Thor and the Sentry at once either. And on the other side of the coin, I don't think Superman could beat Thor and the Silver Surfer at once either. This thread is utterly ridiculous.
Originally posted by PillarofOsirisThat's not why. I have no problem thinking these two win. What I find ridiculous is this whole train of thought, and it has nothing to do with WW as you said:
I'm a superfan because I don't think the SS can beat two of the most powerful high heralds at once? I also don't think he can beat Thor and the Sentry at once either.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Black Holes? Superman isn't going to be sitting there letting the Surfer make black holes. The Surfer has no combat speed feats close to Superman. Superman himself can drain energy, unknown to many people here it seems. Superman is a LOT stronger than the Surfer. Thor head butted the Surfer and dented his head. What do you think happens when Superman connects with him (and he will)? Superman's eye beams will do some serious damage to the Surfer, considering what NORMAL LASERS have done to him. They seem to be a big weakness of the Surfer's. And Superman's eye beams can get much MUCH more powerful than the lasers that have messed up the Surfer. I don't even need to bring Wonder Woman into this, because Superman alone is enough to take out the Surfer.Oh, and if the Surfer does make a black hole, Superman grabs it and throws it at him. (don't laugh, he's done it before).
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I'm a superfan because I don't think the SS can beat two of the most powerful high heralds at once? Did the SS get an upgrade to a trans level character that I missed? I also don't think he can beat Thor and the Sentry at once either. And on the other side of the coin, I don't think Superman could beat Thor and the Silver Surfer at once either. This thread is utterly ridiculous.
Your problem is that your arguments are based on Superman also fighting with CIS off (for the most part)