Porn addiction

Originally posted by parenthesis
Masturbation is a behaviour, which is part of the process and the problem. It's the behaviour as well as the porn.

Masturbating to porn specifically, but not exclusively.

ok

so you are talking about someone who compulsively seeks the endorphin high from masturbation and uses porn to facilitate this

Originally posted by parenthesis
The webiste I posted, your brain on porn explains how our evolution has not adapted to the intense stimulation porn can produce and how teens and adults can masturbate for hours on porn then later suffer from erectile dysfunction and withdrawl symptoms like decreased libido or depression.

ok, you will have to be more specific about what part of that site you want me to read. The videos are by a "science teacher", most linked articles are from things like "psychology today" or, if they are real peer-reviewed articles, they are about internet addiction more broadly. Why not highlight the part of the site you want actually discussed, because I'm not going to watch a science teacher try to blather on about the Coolidge effect.

Originally posted by parenthesis
Surely you know that something "normal" like masturbation can eventually lead to a 1+ a day habit to anyone with the internet.

[citation needed]

Originally posted by parenthesis
Looking at pornographic movies on the internet will obviously wire your brain to see that as stimulation.

not really, but the way you are wired will make porn on the internet stimulating.

Originally posted by parenthesis
Socially anxious teenagers and adults would rather masturbate then go out and get laid as it's much easier for the same basic effect.

so, you are talking about people with a social anxiety? then, by definition, we are no longer talking about chronic masturbation as the issue, are we?

Originally posted by parenthesis
Especially when there first orgasms are pretty much in front of the computer screen. Surely you understand the psychological and biological effects of "first times".

hahaha, no, please, enlighten me about "first times"

Originally posted by parenthesis
Your opinion on teen sex is pretty naive as well. You think not masturbating will make teens have more sex? Sorry, but there's a little bit more to sex then just plain horniness. I'm just saying.

actually, yes... we can talk statistically or we can talk causally, but people for sure masturbate before they have sex (correlation) and masturbation is a way adolescents develop sexually and become ready for actual sex (causation)

you have any psychology today articles that suggest otherwise?

Originally posted by parenthesis
Masturbation isn't the problem. Repetitively masturbating to pornography at your computer daily in your late teens, is. Sex and socialising go hand in hand, (hahahahahahahahaha) if the organism relies on the intense stimulation of videos at the computer and their own knowledge of their body at a stage when the rational part of the brain is undeveloped, then I don't see that person having a lot of sex (male or female). Regular sex won't be as intense or pleasurable. That organism needs images and a certain way to get off as that's how it's been their entire life.

here is where it just becomes obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. The reason one becomes addicted to chronic masturbation is the chemical release. If sex also provides that release, they risk addiction to sex.

Originally posted by parenthesis
I'm talking about the extreme here to make my case. 😉

no, you are talking as if being shy or socially anxious is an addiction, which is silly

Originally posted by parenthesis
Exactly my point. Internet porn exploits this by getting them off to what isn't sex. Too much can lead to the problems stated earlier.

/facepalm

so you agree with my point suggesting there is nothing to be worried about. good, case closed

Originally posted by parenthesis
I think socialising and investing in other stimulating activities would be better, but only if a person is truly addicted. True addicts to porn can't get laid, choose not too, or spend their time fantasising about porn whilst doing it. They're too content with jacking off to brazzers.

you don't see how what you have said in this paragraph is internally inconsistent?

Originally posted by inimalist
ok

so you are talking about someone who compulsively seeks the endorphin high from masturbation and uses porn to facilitate this

ok, you will have to be more specific about what part of that site you want me to read. The videos are by a "science teacher", most linked articles are from things like "psychology today" or, if they are real peer-reviewed articles, they are about internet addiction more broadly. Why not highlight the part of the site you want actually discussed, because I'm not going to watch a science teacher try to blather on about the Coolidge effect.

http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/you-evolved-to-be-hooked-on-porn

This article. I apologise for the science teacher language, but instead if you just focus on what the article states, we can have a debate. In particular:

During adolescence our brains furiously wire up our sexuality to whatever arousing cues are around—and then prune away unused circuitry.Thereafter it’s not as easy to reconfigure our courtship and mating behaviors or unlearn unwanted sexual associations...

Internet porn can over-stimulate the reward circuitry, leading to a numbed pleasure response and cravings for even more sexual stimulation...

This neurological mechanism perceives each new erotic possibility—including those on your screen—as a valuable genetic opportunity, and jolts you into action with potent neurochemicals.
[IE, the same porn becomes boring and the user thrives for more kinkier, even taboo stuff for that same rush or a better rush. Kinda like how some people choke themselves during masturbation or sex for a bigger rush]

...you get a bigger buzz from each novel two-dimensional "mate."

...our environment has changed, and as a result, so has our behavior.

masturbation can lead to more sexual frustration, which leads to more masturbation... some people experience a “hangover” after orgasm... masturbation, when linked to visuals, can lead to unwanted learning. In other words, it pays to find a healthy middle ground when it comes to coming.

"Dilbert's" creator predicts that if people "continue their trend of getting fatter and more argumentative ... the Digital Crossover [from human to cybersex] is less than ten years away."

Other interesting quotes in said article

Western sexual patterns, including our frequent masturbation, are unusual by cross-cultural standards.

Might today's nonstop pursuit of orgasm be an attempt to self-medicate in the face of stressful conditions that our brains have not evolved to handle well?

High rates of masturbation lead to low sperm counts, which may take months to return to baseline. Nothing wrong with that. However, it does indicate that our species may not have masturbated as much as modern WEIRD's tend to.

Originally posted by inimalist
[citation needed]

I'm not sure I trust Scott Adams as an authority on future human psychology.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm not sure I trust Scott Adams as an authority on future human psychology.

Originally posted by parenthesis
This article. I apologise for the science teacher language, but instead if you just focus on what the article states, we can have a debate. In particular:

ok, there isn't much to argue there, except, someone with a masturbation addiction in that way would be at intense risk for sex addiction.

This is literally the case of weening the morphine addict off on heroin.

Originally posted by parenthesis
I just want a debate. ermm

If the debate is "can you be addicted to porn?" then I'd say yes. You can get addicted to anything.

Yourbrainonporn seems like more of an issue to me. Pop psychology is at least as bad as other kinds of pop science, often worse because people feel more comfortable making up whatever they want.

A lot of these citations are from sources with little to no backing. Just to take one example they state that men are masturbating "50 to 500 percent more than they would without the internet". First of all that's a pretty huge range so the experiment must have had a very low sample size to work with. Of course if you track down the source it turns out that Ian Kerner made that statistic up off the top of his head, there's no real source for it at all. Anyone willing to take that kind of source at face value (apparently Popular Psychology in this case) has extremely limited credibility in my book.

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, there isn't much to argue there, except, someone with a masturbation addiction in that way would be at intense risk for sex addiction.

This is literally the case of weening the morphine addict off on heroin.

So are fleshlights methadone in this metaphor?

Only skimmed through the thread, but I can't see porn being an addiction unless someone needs it to masturbate/orgasm, if you just prefer to watch porn when taking care of yourself, it's likely just that, a preference.

As a parent of young children though, the extreme variety of porn that is easily accessible and or free now is troubling. As a teen, I had access to a couple VHS tapes and some magazines, which was risque enough. Nothing of the likes that can be found now.

Thankfully, there are net-blocking programs one can install.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So are fleshlights methadone in this metaphor?

lol, I know its a joke, but methadone is actually a good indicator of exactly what I am talking about.

Addicts need that for the rest of their life, and relapse is more frequent than not. As long as those same brain areas are lighting up, you can easily "shift" the addiction.

wouldn't the fleshlight have to be less enjoyable to work in this metaphor though?

Originally posted by Robtard
Only skimmed through the thread, but I can't see porn being an addiction unless someone needs it to masturbate/orgasm, if you just prefer to watch porn when taking care of yourself, it's likely just that, a preference.

I agree mostly with this, other than to say, there is an addiction that would be marked by a different clustering of behaviours. People who literally would skip work to stay home and masturbate, or have to do it in public (not because of a fetish, but because of a compulsion) or do it at work.

I'd also suspect the people who do it compulsively are not really getting off in the same way as someone who just prefers to take care of themselves. In the same way crack fiends don't necessarily like crack, someone who suffers from chronic compulsive masturbation probably isn't really enjoying themselves.

Does anyone see how dangerously overstimulating internet porn videos can be? There's millions, probably billions of videos out there.

Originally posted by parenthesis
Does anyone see how dangerously overstimulating internet porn videos can be? There's millions, probably billions of videos out there.

what do you mean by "overstimulating" and in what way are they "dangerous"

A person doesn't become a sex addict by having particularly stimulating sex.

Originally posted by parenthesis
Does anyone see how dangerously overstimulating internet porn videos can be? There's millions, probably billions of videos out there.

IMO, you think you masturbate too much and blame porn for this perceived "problem".

Originally posted by inimalist
what do you mean by "overstimulating" and in what way are they "dangerous"

A person doesn't become a sex addict by having particularly stimulating sex.

Someone who has spent 3 or 4 years jacking off to some intense shit on the internet having to move on to more intense porn will probably find sex tiresome and boring, or suffer ED in their 20s or may only get off to certain kinds of videos. This is the theory.

FTWC, mine works perfectly fine.

Originally posted by Robtard
IMO, you think you masturbate too much and blame porn for this perceived "problem".

www.reddit.com/r/nofap contains testimonies of users who are partaking in the 90 day challenge and the stories they tell are pretty eye-opening for anyone interested.

Originally posted by parenthesis

Actually I'm just curious about the 90 day cleansing YBOP talks about (That's no masturbation for 90 days) and I wanted KMCs opinion on porn. I didn't realise how defensive y'all would be.

www.reddit.com/r/nofap contains testimonies of users who are partaking in the 90 day challenge and the stories they tell are pretty eye-opening for anyone interested.

Sounds silly, imo. If you're addicted to masturbating, it very could not be the porn. How do they come to these conclusions to begin with? Porn = masturbation-addiction.

Who's being defensive now? It was just my observation, lower the gun. I certainly don't care how much or little you masturbate now.

YouTube video

Originally posted by Robtard
Sounds silly, imo. If you're addicted to masturbating, it very could not be the porn. How do they come to these conclusions to begin with? Porn = masturbation-addiction.

Who's being defensive now? It was just my observation, lower the gun. I certainly don't care how much or little you masturbate now.

Originally posted by parenthesis
Porn offers intense stimulation at the click of a button. I can click on a shit load of kinky porn to get off, and a simple picture of cleavage doesn't do it for me unless I give myself a break.

Someone who has spent 3 or 4 years jacking off to some intense shit on the internet having to move on to more intense porn will probably find sex tiresome and boring, or suffer ED in their 20s or may only get off to certain kinds of videos. This is the theory.

FTWC, mine works perfectly fine.

are there any medical studies that have noted a significant increase of ED in male populations in their 20s or early 30s? not even if it is attributable to porn, just, is this actually even a thing that is occurring?

also, are you suggesting ED, or are you suggesting they are only turned on by porn? someone with ED won't get an errection to porn and someone who can only become errect with porn does not have ED.

Originally posted by parenthesis
Porn is incredibly stimulating, and arousal is like a switch to teenagers. Surely you know that something "normal" like masturbation can eventually lead to a 1+ a day habit to anyone with the internet.

If you masturbate just once or twice a day, I think you'll be alright.

One of the better "addictions" to have, like, in how it doesn't affect anything negatively..

Originally posted by inimalist
are there any medical studies that have noted a significant increase of ED in male populations in their 20s or early 30s? not even if it is attributable to porn, just, is this actually even a thing that is occurring?

also, are you suggesting ED, or are you suggesting they are only turned on by porn? someone with ED won't get an errection to porn and someone who can only become errect with porn does not have ED.

There are testimonies on nofap of people who claim ED or claim to only get off to certain kinds of porn and it takes them an awful lot. They're people who wanked 1+ a day since they started. As for stats, internet porn addiction is not recognised as a serious issue.

Originally posted by parenthesis
Could not be the porn? Masturbating to thoughts of your partner are not a problem as far as anyone's concerned, but masturbating to memories of porn of any kind is still bad as YBOP and NoFap are concerned as it's artificial. It's associating biological urges with artificiality. Do you encourage it?

Yes, could not be. Unless you have some study that proves 'porn causes masturbation addiction'? Please post.

So it's okay to masturbate; just to specific mental images or material. You don't see some clear [idiotic] bias against porn going on here? How is masturbating to porn "artificial", but masturbating to thoughts and/or pics of your sex-partner(s) not? Sexual pics/movies of one's partner(s) is essentially pornography.

Do I encourage masturbating to porn? I don't encourage or discourage it. If someone prefers to self-stimulate to porn, that's their choice. For one thing, there's no risk of STDs. That's a plus.

Originally posted by Bardock42
If you masturbate just once or twice a day, I think you'll be alright.

One of the better "addictions" to have, like, in how it doesn't affect anything negatively..

Yes, could not be. Unless you have some study that proves 'porn causes masturbation addiction"? Please post.

So it's okay to masturbate, just to specific mental images or material. You don't see some clear [idiotic] bias against porn going on here? How is masturbating to porn "artificial" and masturbating to thoughts and/or pics of your sex-partner(s) not?

Do I encourage masturbating to porn? I don't encourage or discourage it. If someone prefers to self-stimulate to porn, that's their choice. For one thing, there's no risk of STDs. That's a plus.