Porn addiction

Originally posted by parenthesis

Idiotic bias towards porn? Have you read the thread title?

So you're going to dodge my questions with a stupid question?

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, could not be. Unless you have some study that proves 'porn causes masturbation addiction'? Please post.

So it's okay to masturbate; just to specific mental images or material. You don't see some clear [idiotic] bias against porn going on here? How is masturbating to porn "artificial", but masturbating to thoughts and/or pics of your sex-partner(s) not? Sexual pics/movies of one's partner(s) is essentially pornography.

Originally posted by parenthesis
Apart from your libido. 2 days without wanking and I'm vastly more energetic than if I had 4 or 5 wanks in that time.

I don't think that has a scientific basis.

Originally posted by parenthesis
I said OR.

my mistake

Originally posted by parenthesis
There are testimonies on nofap of people who claim ED or claim to only get off to certain kinds of porn and it takes them an awful lot. They're people who wanked 1+ a day since they started.

so, a website that is run by an individual whose only accredation appears to be that he is, ambiguously, a "science teacher", with a clear bias against pornography, also contains a number of unprovable anecdotal stories about how people think that porn gave them ED?

forgive me for being unimpressed. I did a quick search on pubmed going back to '98, and I found nothing about an increase in ED over the past decade, and studies that have looked at ED in people in their 20s suggest things like hypertension or diabetes as the primary causes. some studies looked at the fact young men are more likely to suffer ED due to psychological reasons, but these are things like performance anxiety, not being "bored".

Originally posted by parenthesis
As for stats, internet porn addiction is not recognised as a serious issue.

even if I accept that premise, which I don't, ED is, and if porn were causing some epidemic of asexual men who can't he it up without 4 browser windows open, it would have been picked up on, especially given we are talking about a population [20 year old men] where this would be entirely problematic.

Originally posted by Robtard
So you're going to dodge my questions with a stupid question?

....................Porn of that person is porn, yes.

Originally posted by parenthesis
....The fact that it's a person you know, not porn. The fact that there's other emotional stimulation going on.

....................Porn of that person is porn, yes.

So now it okay to masturbate to porn, as long as it's a certain kind of porn.

You don't see a clear [idiotic] bias now?

because it is that emotional attachment that evolution designed our sex drive for, duh!

Originally posted by inimalist
my mistake

so, a website that is run by an individual whose only accredation appears to be that he is, ambiguously, a "science teacher", with a clear bias against pornography, also contains a number of unprovable anecdotal stories about how people think that porn gave them ED?

forgive me for being unimpressed. I did a quick search on pubmed going back to '98, and I found nothing about an increase in ED over the past decade, and studies that have looked at ED in people in their 20s suggest things like hypertension or diabetes as the primary causes. some studies looked at the fact young men are more likely to suffer ED due to psychological reasons, but these are things like performance anxiety, not being "bored".

even if I accept that premise, which I don't, ED is, and if porn were causing some epidemic of asexual men who can't he it up without 4 browser windows open, it would have been picked up on, especially given we are talking about a population [20 year old men] where this would be entirely problematic.

However, there are extreme cases, and I believe it could get worse.

So now it okay to masturbate to porn, as long as it's a certain kind of porn.

You don't see a clear [idiotic] bias now?

Originally posted by parenthesis

Not what I said.

You said it's alright if it's material based on someone you know/have a connection with and you agreed that that material would still be porn.

Ergo, it's alright to masturbate to certain kinds of porn. You don't see a clear bias from this guy?

Originally posted by Robtard
You said it's alright if it's material based on someone you know/have a connection with and you agreed that that material would still be porn.

Ergo, it's alright to masturbate to certain kinds of porn. You don't see a clear bias from this guy?

If you think this is an "idiotic bias" then I believe you've missed the point completely.

Originally posted by parenthesis
YBOP states that internet pornography can lead to habitual masturbation, which will lead to an addiction of artificial stimulation.

If you think this is an "idiotic bias" then I believe you've missed the point completely.

Which you've gone round and round without supporting, as inimiliast just recapped above.

Considering they're specifically targeting "internet porn" and not other facets of pornography or pornography as a whole, I don't think I missed the point at all. The bias is clear.

The case against internet pornography is biased because it focuses on internet pornography.......😐

My fault for not saying internet in everyone of my post.

Originally posted by parenthesis
YBOP states that internet pornography can lead to habitual masturbation, which will lead to an addiction of artificial stimulation.

... habitual masturbation IS THE ADDICTION...

this is like: Man, you shouldn't take heroin because it will make you addicted to needles.

EDIT: also, I'm pissed we didn't get to talk more about dopamine, or foraging behaviours in rats... RABBLE!

Originally posted by inimalist
... [b]habitual masturbation IS THE ADDICTION...

this is like: Man, you shouldn't take heroin because it will make you addicted to needles.

EDIT: also, I'm pissed we didn't get to talk more about dopamine, or foraging behaviours in rats... RABBLE! [/B]

We still can. I'd rather we did actually.

Originally posted by parenthesis
The case against internet pornography is biased because it focuses on internet pornography.......😐

Indeed. Now that would be fine in of itself, if what you put forth supported the claims besides some guy thinking it and some people saying "yeah, I think I have an internet porn addiction".

Originally posted by Lestov16
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I will say that technically inimalist is right in that the people are not addicted to pornography, they are addicted to the high that comes from the release of orgasm. If they had a willing sexual partner there to give them release multiple times a day they would still be in the same situation. There's nothing healthy about needing that fix so badly that you repeatedly ignore obligations and social relationships in order to get an orgasm.

As to the unhealthy aspect of porn that stems from the objectification. The viewer is turning the people in the images into nothing but objects that exist for his or her own pleasure. Porn is a problem in that aspect the same way that prostitution is. For that matter it's no different than a junkie robbing and killing someone to get money for a fix: the victim isn't a person, just an object that is a means to obtaining the resources necessary for drugs.

Kind of going off on a tangent but however people want to spin it pornography can and often does become unhealthy for the viewer. It also does nothing to help someone to learn what an intimate sexual relationship is. Thinking of oneself or partners as only a means to an end won't take a person anywhere good.

The other thing with chronic masturbation, in this case facilitated by porn, is that there's nothing good about getting "high" just for the sake of it. It is the same issue that can lead to alcoholism and other addictions: pleasure for the sake of pleasure. Instead of having a drink to celebrate accomplishing something, such as a productive week at work, or masturbating for a bit of pleasure at the end of exams, the person uses the behavior as a habitual means of relaxation or stimulation having done nothing to "earn" it. That in and of itself is a pretty long side discussion as well, so I'll end it there.

Porn is not the culprit. All anybody has to do is visualize their desired pleasure to fap to it. It's not some new thing brought on by the modern era. It's part of our biological nature. How do you think people of the past masturbated, before their were even cameras?

Originally posted by Robtard
Indeed. Now that would be fine in of itself, if what you put forth supported the claims besides some guy thinking it and some people saying "yeah, I think I have an internet porn addiction".

Originally posted by Ascendancy
inimalist is right

/thread

Originally posted by parenthesis
That's not exactly what happened. He made a case about sex addiction, then people came to him with stories of their porn habits, and then he did some research.

It's pretty much exactly what happened, as what I said and what you said are virtually the same. I happened to word it in an assholeish manner.

Edit: Just curious, do you think you have or had an 'internet porn masturbation addiction'?