Originally posted by Silent Master
Let me get this right, h1a8's argument is basically that Ozy is A list because he beat two characters whose best feats are beating common thugs, right?
Yes, but its not just because he beat them, its how easily he beat them. Ozy made a fat guy and street brawler look bad, so he must be able to beat up Black Panther. Its obvious, isnt it? 😆
Originally posted by tkitnaNow I see why I'm not that respected here. Most members are not understanding my posts. They take bits and pieces of it and make conclusions. Most of my arguments are such that if you remove just 1 item then not only the whole argument fails but it sounds very silly (as you coming to conclusion with now).
Yes, but its not just because he beat them, its how easily he beat them. Ozy made a fat guy and street brawler look bad, so he must be able to beat up Black Panther. Its obvious, isnt it? 😆
With that said, Ozy can beat BP in a h2h fight because:
1. He can catch a bullet (the most important evidence)
2. He can simultaneously beat Nite Owl and Rorschach, and multiple thugs with ease.
Both are needed! Not 1.
1. Proves he can fight very well since it was a byproduct of his fighting skills.
2. Comfirms or supports 1.
I'm surprised you don't see the silly reasoning Silent Master is asserting.
He's claiming that it is POSSIBLE for a HUMAN (not superhuman like CA)
to be able to catch a freaking bullet while not being a very great fighter.
His reasoning would lead to a contradiction, that Ozy is really super human as the reason he caught the bullet and not because a simple byproduct of his awesome fighting skill. Hell, the majority of Human A listers in comics can't catch a bullet (even CA can't do that). It's great evidence supporting my argument. I'm not silly or stupid in any way. If it seems that way then most likely it is others who don't UNDERSTAND my argument.
Lastly, my comment to Saint about BP being faster than Karnak can react to was based on a misunderstanding (again you didn't understand my post). I thought Saint was implying that BP speed had to be greater than what Karnak can react to in order to dodge his strike. But he meant it was the case since BP hit him with a knee before Karnak can react. Total misunderstanding!
Originally posted by Silent Master
Fast reaction time.Using fighting skills to beat multiple trained fighters is a far better skill feat than beating a common thugs.
Where did this un-humanly bullet speed reaction time come from?
Also it takes more than fast reactions to catch a bullet. It also takes great speed and technique. Where did these come from? I bet you ignore those questions. As far as technique, a human must use soft hands (absorbing motion) to catch a bullet, otherwise the bullet will pass through their hands.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, so the comic didn't show BP's knee slamming into his face?So you're saying, let me get this right:
I said that that BP moved faster than Karnak can react.
You call BS on me. I'm making shit up, its debateable that BP can move faster than Karnak's reflexes.
So I guess that Karnak WAS able to react to a knee flying into his face.....but chose not to. This coming AFTER BP dodged his first attack...
Right, cool. Just wanted to make sure we were on the same page.
I'm sorry I though you meant that BP dodging the strike is him being faster than what Karnak can react to. You are saying that after the attempted strike BP is faster than Karnak can react to.
Well the comic doesn't show that either since the miss strike opened Karnak up to be hit. Karnak's momentum is thrown off as well as his reactions. His reactions are thrown off because he wasn't expecting BP to dodge and hit him with a knee. Thus him missing surprised himself.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Nite Owl and Rorschach's best feats are beating common thugs, that's not enough to earn D list status.Ozy gets destroyed.
Here I repeat:
Where did this un-humanly bullet speed reaction time come from?Also it takes more than fast reactions to catch a bullet. It also takes great speed and technique. Where did these come from? I bet you ignore those questions. As far as technique, a human must use soft hands (absorbing motion) to catch a bullet, otherwise the bullet will pass through their hands.
Also please read my reply to tnk
Now I see why I'm not that respected here. Most members are not understanding my posts. They take bits and pieces of it and make conclusions. Most of my arguments are such that if you remove just 1 item then not only the whole argument fails but it sounds very silly (as you coming to conclusion with now).With that said, Ozy can beat BP in a h2h fight because:
1. He can catch a bullet (the most important evidence)
2. He can simultaneously beat Nite Owl and Rorschach, and multiple thugs with ease.Both are needed! Not 1.
1. Proves he can fight very well since it was a byproduct of his fighting skills.
2. Comfirms or supports 1.I'm surprised you don't see the silly reasoning Silent Master is asserting.
He's claiming that it is POSSIBLE for a HUMAN (not superhuman like CA)
to be able to catch a freaking bullet while not being a very great fighter.
His reasoning would lead to a contradiction, that Ozy is really super human as the reason he caught the bullet and not because a simple byproduct of his awesome fighting skill. Hell, the majority of Human A listers in comics can't catch a bullet (even CA can't do that). It's great evidence supporting my argument. I'm not silly or stupid in any way. If it seems that way then most likely it is others who don't UNDERSTAND my argument.Lastly, my comment to Saint about BP being faster than Karnak can react to was based on a misunderstanding (again you didn't understand my post). I thought Saint was implying that BP speed had to be greater than what Karnak can react to in order to dodge his strike. But he meant it was the case since BP hit him with a knee before Karnak can react. Total misunderstanding!
Originally posted by Silent Master
1) Being fast enough to catch a bullet doesn't prove fighting skill2) Beating Nite Owl and Rorschach doesn't even come close to proving A list skill.
Ozy gets destroyed.
Again with the trolling.
You keep using A list skill as a term while avoiding defining it or explaining what does this take to show that you one has A list skill when I ask you too.
You also keep avoiding the questions I'm raising:
Where did this un-humanly bullet speed reaction time come from?
Also it takes more than fast reactions to catch a bullet. It also takes great speed and technique. Where did these come from? I bet you ignore those questions. As far as technique, a human must use soft hands (absorbing motion) to catch a bullet, otherwise the bullet will pass through their hands.
Basically you are asserting that a HUMAN catching a bullet (without help from magic, tech, or super powers) doesn't prove fighting skill but fail to give the source of that ability.
Catching a bullet doesn't place you in any HTH list category, because while doing it requires a few attributes that could make you a better fighter such as speed and timing, it doesn't actually take HTH skill.
HTH skill is shown by HTH feats and Ozy’s best HTH feat is beating a couple of people whose best feats are beating thugs.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yea I haven't seen anything surpassing it, especially with the casualness of her demeanor
What about this?
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