Ozymandias vs...Black Panther

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No. He said beating them blind isn't.

Next he'll be saying things like running at light speed isn't a speed feat.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Did he really just say that beating multiple people in a fight isn't a skill feat?

I didn't state that. I asked a question. It seems to me you are bordering on trolling. Avoiding important questions, using circular reasoning, etc. Please read my post again.

So beating 5 members of a gang blind is a h2h skill feat?

Yes

Does it prove that one can fight and beat a grade A fighter, what about a B fighter, what about a C fighter,...what about a Z fighter?

It's not even close to proving A list skill, which is why I stated it was one of Scott's least impressive feats...however it looks to be at least equal to Ozy's best.

Also...Dora Milaje fighters....

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes

It's not even close to proving A list skill, which is why I stated it was one of Scott's least impressive feats...however it looks to be at least equal to Ozy's best.

LOL at your bias though. You can't give a character the benefit of the doubt. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it must be a duck right?
Ozy nonchalantly defeats multiple enemies, nonchalantly beat characters that has nonchalantly beaten multiple beings. Has feats against lasers. Has feats showing tremendous accuracy. Ozy has caught freaking bullets as a residual of the great fighting skill he acquired.

Let me ask you something. If you saw a man nonchalantly beat a horde of thugs with smoothness and turn around and catch a bullet shot at him then do you think he can basically beat MOST fighters in the world in one on one combat?
Be honest now.

So what type of hth feats makes the A list then?

Beating Surfer in HtH.

Cyke "nonchalantly" defeating multiple people while blind easily trumps Ozy "nonchalantly" defeating multiple people while he can see. and that is one of Cyke's least impressive feats.

Not to mention that Black Panther > Scott in HTH skill.

Edit: You do know that the reason I used that feat was because it's not even close to an A level feat, yet it's very close if not better than Ozy's feats.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Cyke "nonchalantly" defeating multiple people while blind easily trumps Ozy "nonchalantly" defeating multiple people while he can see. and that is one of Cyke's least impressive feats.

Not to mention that Black Panther > Scott in HTH skill.

Edit: You do know that the reason I used that feat was because it's not even close to an A level feat, yet it's very close if not better than Ozy's feats.

LOL at your bias though. You can't give a character the benefit of the doubt. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it must be a duck right?
Ozy nonchalantly defeats multiple enemies, nonchalantly beat characters that has nonchalantly beaten multiple beings. Has feats against lasers. Has feats showing tremendous accuracy. Ozy has caught freaking bullets as a residual of the great fighting skill he acquired.

Let me ask you something. If you saw a man nonchalantly beat a horde of thugs with smoothness and turn around and catch a bullet shot at him then do you think he can basically beat MOST fighters in the world in one on one combat?
Be honest now.

So what type of hth feats makes the A list then?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Beating B-listers.

What feats make the B-list?

Beating C-listers.

What makes the C-list?

Beating D-listers.

All the way down to common thugs.

Originally posted by h1a8
What does this prove?

Inhumans are faster, stronger, tougher than normal humans.

And BP still surprised him with a knee to the face, even when Karnak has already identified BP's weak points and was going for them.

That, imo, is better than fighting Night Owl. Unless of course, you are of the opinion Night Owl could beat Karnak.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Beating B-listers.

What feats make the B-list?

Beating C-listers.

What makes the C-list?

Beating D-listers.

All the way down to common thugs.

So the infamous ABC logic.
That means that A listers beat B listers and B listers beat C listers on to common thugs (which letter are they?)

So what character is an A lister with this logic?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Inhumans are faster, stronger, tougher than normal humans.

And BP still surprised him with a knee to the face, even when Karnak has already identified BP's weak points and was going for them.

That, imo, is better than fighting Night Owl. Unless of course, you are of the opinion Night Owl could beat Karnak.

Yet he's not faster than a bullet and Ozy caught a bullet and thus could have dodged just as easily too.

Originally posted by h1a8
Nice way to dodge my post. I'll repeat.

LOL at your bias though. You can't give a character the benefit of the doubt. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it must be a duck right?
Ozy nonchalantly defeats multiple enemies, nonchalantly beat characters that has nonchalantly beaten multiple beings. Has feats against lasers. Has feats showing tremendous accuracy. Ozy has caught freaking bullets as a residual of the great fighting skill he acquired.

Let me ask you something. If you saw a man nonchalantly beat a horde of thugs with smoothness and turn around and catch a bullet shot at him then do you think he can basically beat MOST fighters in the world in one on one combat?
Be honest now.

[b]So what type of hth feats makes the A list then? [/B]

Beating large groups of trained fighters would be a good start.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Beating large groups of trained fighters would be a good start.

So that proves you are an A list fighter?

ABC logic works when you are talking about skills, however. You may blanket scoff at all of them, but it has its place. When weakness exploitation is taken out of it (so for example, Metallo and Superman), then why not?

After all, isn't that what YOU are doing? Bullets are faster than BP, therefore, if Ozy is faster than a bullet, he is faster than BP. A>B>C, therefore A>C.

As for who? Wolverine, BP, Cap, Shang Chi, that kinda thing.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yet he's not faster than a bullet and Ozy caught a bullet and thus could have dodged just as easily too.

So the infamous ABC logic.

Except the bullet wasn't aimed at his weak points, nor was it guided and had the capability to change direction once fired. Nor did it have extensive martial arts knowledge to attempt to predict what Ozy may or may not have done.

Originally posted by h1a8
So that proves you are an A list fighter?

It's far better than beating thugs.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
ABC logic works when you are talking about skills, however. You may blanket scoff at all of them, but it has its place. When weakness exploitation is taken out of it (so for example, Metallo and Superman), then why not?

After all, isn't that what YOU are doing? Bullets are faster than BP, therefore, if Ozy is faster than a bullet, he is faster than BP. A>B>C, therefore A>C.

As for who? Wolverine, BP, Cap, Shang Chi, that kinda thing.

I'm not using ABC logic. My argument is that catching a bullet PROVES you have the utmost fighting skill possible for a pure human. This is because it is a byproduct of one's fighting ability, similar to collateral damage feats.

ABC logic can only be soundly applied to direct feats (like strength and speed). Fighting skill is subjective and there are instances of rock paper scissors in comics and in real life.