Kuurth (FP) vs Tyrant (DP)

Originally posted by h1a8
Galactus doesn't have the durability of Kuurth and has been cut or damaged by multiple herald level beings. Also cutting force =/= blunt force
Pressure = Force/Area. If an edge is hundreds of times thinner than Thor's hammer. Then less than hundreds of times the force is needed.

So Kuurth is sh*t out of luck since he wields a huge hammer then? I have little doubt Tyrant can overcome the unstoppable enchantment AND the invulnerability btw.

Anyway you are spewing BS physics as usual. Resistance to blunt damage (cracking/bending) and sharp damage (slicing/drilling) is very different in RL and in comics as well. A diamond for instance is hard to cut but easy to crack. Same with glass. Historically blunt weapons have often been used to deal with armor.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Cytorrak-powered Juggy claimed and was purported to be 'unstoppable' and yet War Hulk was able to stop him. It just takes superior force. I believe Tyrant has that in this case.

War Hulk`s celestial tech allowed him to mess with Juggs` enchantments. As will Tyrant`s tech too.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Except that each of them had only 1/5-th of the Phoenix Force .

The best feat of hosts that have had the FULL Phoenix Force , was beating a hungry Galactus .

Btw , the same Cyttorak was unwilling to engage the Serpent head-on .

Plus you haven's even specified in this thread whether the battle takes place in the Crimson Cosmos , or in 616 .

Cyttorak was in the Crimson Cosmos. I really doubt that he was fearful of the Serpent. What you saw was not the real Cyttorak, just another Avatar. He can not escape from that dimension. I also believe that he would beat the living shyt out of Galactus, Krona style. The fight takes place in neutral space as per forum rules.

Originally posted by Mshinu
So Kuurth is sh*t out of luck since he wields a huge hammer then? I have little doubt Tyrant can overcome the unstoppable enchantment AND the invulnerability btw.

Anyway you are spewing BS physics as usual. Resistance to blunt damage (cracking/bending) and sharp damage (slicing/drilling) is very different in RL and in comics as well. A diamond for instance is hard to cut but easy to crack. Same with glass. Historically blunt weapons have often been used to deal with armor.

War Hulk`s celestial tech allowed him to mess with Juggs` enchantments. As will Tyrant`s tech too. [/B][/QUOTE] NO! You must prove, not speculate. Also Juggs unstoppability has nothing to do with his durability, which is on another level.
Kuurth beats Tyrant 10/10 easily.

Originally posted by Stoic
Cyttorak was in the Crimson Cosmos. I really doubt that he was fearful of the Serpent. What you saw was not the real Cyttorak, just another Avatar. He can not escape from that dimension. I also believe that he would beat the living shyt out of Galactus, Krona style. The fight takes place in neutral space as per forum rules.

He can't even escape his own dimension and he beats Galactus in a neutral place? ...and Krona was powered by multiple universes, I see no evidence Cytorrak being able to duplicate what he did to Galactus.

Originally posted by h1a8
My reply was about Tryant cutting Galactus, which isn't the feat some think it is.
Wrong! It is easier to pierce with a sharp object vs. a blunt objects in comics, real life, tv, etc. Nowhere is this rule violated.

War Hulk`s celestial tech allowed him to mess with Juggs` enchantments. As will Tyrant`s tech too.

How is Kuurth easily beating Tyrant 10/10 not speculating exactly?

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
NO! You must prove, not speculate. Also Juggs unstoppability has nothing to do with his durability, which is on another level.
Kuurth beats Tyrant 10/10 easily.

How is Kuurth easily beating Tyrant 10/10 not speculating exactly? [/B][/QUOTE]

Tyrant would crush Kuurth. This isn't much of a contest.

where did this idea of the vishanti being afraid of cyttorak come from exactly.....?

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
How is Kuurth easily beating Tyrant 10/10 not speculating exactly?

Originally posted by Dampyre
Tyrant would crush Kuurth. This isn't much of a contest.

Prove that Tryant can override both Cyttorak's enchantment and Serpent's enchantment stacked. Then prove that Tyrant's head can resist being crushed by an unstoppable hammer powered by BOTH Cyttorak's enchantment and Kuurth's strength (powered by both Cyttorak and Serpent together).

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
He can't even escape his own dimension and he beats Galactus in a neutral place? ...and Krona was powered by multiple universes, I see no evidence Cytorrak being able to duplicate what he did to Galactus.

It depends on what the laws of that dimension are. Getting out of the Crimson Cosmos may be as easy as getting away from oneself (fairly impossible). Marvel locks away the really bad guys. Galactus from what I recall is free to roam.

You may be assuming that he is a Sky Father character, while he may be much more. He sounds more like Krona (JLA/Avengers) if he is capable of wiping out reality. That's more than capable of lynching Galactus IMO.

Originally posted by Stoic
It depends on what the laws of that dimension are. Getting out of the Crimson Cosmos may be as easy as getting away from oneself (fairly impossible). Marvel locks away the really bad guys. Galactus from what I recall is free to roam.

You may be assuming that he is a Sky Father character, while he may be much more. He sounds more like Krona (JLA/Avengers) if he is capable of wiping out reality. That's more than capable of lynching Galactus IMO.

yes, I am assuming Cyttorak is skyfather level because he hasn't been shown to be more. Krona was a true trans-universe level guy because he was said and shown to be so. Not so with Cyttorak.

Originally posted by h1a8
The proof is that Kuurth's hammer is unstoppable. It will crush Tyrant upon impact. Kuurth without Cyttorak's enchantment was powerful enough to crack the skull of Colossus. Thor couldn't dream of harming any version of Juggs this way. FP Kuurth is possibly one of the most powerful beings in Marvel under Galactus.

So you think Kuurth was as powerful as the Serpent himself? Enough to beat Odin?

Also not sure how damaging Colossus relates to beating Tyrant, a guy who handily beat Surfer, Gladiator, BRB, Jack of Hearts and Ganymede at the same time. Also gave Galactus a run for his money. I just don't think Kuurth has the firepower to compete. Besides, wasn't Nul labeled to be the most powerful of the lot?

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
yes, I am assuming Cyttorak is skyfather level because he hasn't been shown to be more. Krona was a true trans-universe level guy because he was said and shown to be so. Not so with Cyttorak.

Then your assumption would go against what was written about Cyttorak, and why he is in that dimension. I'll go with what was written over fan opinion until a retcon happens. If Galactus blasted 8th day Juggs, I'm betting that Cain would have still been standing there after being showered with all of that PC. Cyttorak is much, much more powerful than his sales rep.

Whatever though, opinions are all this is. I just really don't know how Tyrant wins this. I do not think that he has the power to hurt Kuurth.

Originally posted by Stoic
Then your assumption would go against what was written about Cyttorak, and why he is in that dimension. I'll go with what was written over fan opinion until a retcon happens. If Galactus blasted 8th day Juggs, I'm betting that Cain would have still been standing there after being showered with all of that PC. Cyttorak is much, much more powerful than his sales rep.

Whatever though, opinions are all this is. I just really don't know how Tyrant wins this. I do not think that he has the power to hurt Kuurth.

Ok, then what was written that makes you base your opinion on? What exactly "what is written" that makes you think Cyttorak is more powerful than Tyrant much less Kuurth?

Originally posted by leonidas
where did this idea of the vishanti being afraid of cyttorak come from exactly.....?

Sounds like "fan opinion" 😄

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Ok, then what was written that makes you base your opinion on? What exactly "what is written" that makes you think Cyttorak is more powerful than Tyrant much less Kuurth?

Since Cyttorak has so very few true showings, as in physically none. We must then go solely on his history written in the Handbooks. The first rule of thumb, is that we must always remember that he has never been outside of the Crimson Cosmos, and that any representation of him within the 616 or other realms is just an Avatar of him. Why? Because he was never permitted to leave, hence being locked up forever. You see where I'm trying to go with this?

Within his history it states that he had to be imprisoned or he would have destroyed reality. By this definition, Cyttorak would hang out with guys so powerful that mere true fragments of them would spawn creatures as powerful as Asteroth. This is why they are locked away, and rarely used. Cytorrak is not Galactus, oh no, not by far. If we go solely on canon. Writers can choose to ignore this, but they would mess up the continuity big time.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
So you think Kuurth was as powerful as the Serpent himself? Enough to beat Odin?

Also not sure how damaging Colossus relates to beating Tyrant, a guy who handily beat Surfer, Gladiator, BRB, Jack of Hearts and Ganymede at the same time. Also gave Galactus a run for his money. I just don't think Kuurth has the firepower to compete. Besides, wasn't Nul labeled to be the most powerful of the lot?

Yes Kuurth is more formidable than the Serpent and will indeed beat Odin sans removing the enchantment.

Imagine being strong enough to hurt Juggs (actually crack his skull) and imagine being even twice as strong with Cyttorak's enchantment added on to him.

Tyrant beat a bunch of heralds, so what? These are fodder compared to Kuurth. Hell Glads was hanging good with him until Tyrant threw someone into him causing him to drop his guard.

Bottom line: No herald can survive a fight with Kuurth. NONE! He would crush them all at the same time with ease. He won't be bothered by any of their attacks nor will any of them survive being crushed by the hammer.

Tyrants stomps.

Anyone want to show me Kuurth beating someone near Tyrant lvl

Originally posted by Stoic
Since Cyttorak has so very few true showings, as in physically none. We must then go solely on his history written in the Handbooks. The first rule of thumb, is that we must always remember that he has never been outside of the Crimson Cosmos, and that any representation of him within the 616 or other realms is just an Avatar of him. Why? Because he was never permitted to leave, hence being locked up forever. You see where I'm trying to go with this?

Within his history it states that he had to be imprisoned or he would have destroyed reality. By this definition, Cyttorak would hang out with guys so powerful that mere true fragments of them would spawn creatures as powerful as Asteroth. This is why they are locked away, and rarely used. Cytorrak is not Galactus, oh no, not by far. If we go solely on canon. Writers can choose to ignore this, but they would mess up the continuity big time.

Sorry, but that is a lot of assumption in your reply. A lot of demons and their ilk get banished or imprisoned. That does not mean it automatically makes them universe-beaters. Unless it shown in a comic that he is what you claim, then his not "written" as such.

Uuuummm, Trion Juggs was waving his fist punching dimensions and timestreams down and this was him at his weakest. It was stated that if he reached full powers, his blows would have destroyed reality and he was nearly on the brink of doing this. This was just with his fist, not with his other powers. It's pretty got darn clear that Cytorrak is above Galactus based off of this one ft alone from a weaker avatar.