Kuurth (FP) vs Tyrant (DP)

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes Kuurth is more formidable than the Serpent and will indeed beat Odin sans removing the enchantment.

Imagine being strong enough to hurt Juggs (actually crack his skull) and imagine being even twice as strong with Cyttorak's enchantment added on to him.

Tyrant beat a bunch of heralds, so what? These are fodder compared to Kuurth. Hell Glads was hanging good with him until Tyrant threw someone into him causing him to drop his guard.

Bottom line: No herald can survive a fight with Kuurth. NONE! He would crush them all at the same time with ease. He won't be bothered by any of their attacks nor will any of them survive being crushed by the hammer.

Again, the "usntoppable" Juggernaut (half of the same power source) was stopped by War Hulk, Onslaught and Captain Universe rather easily. Also, wasn't Kuurth hurled away by Speedball?

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes Kuurth is more formidable than the Serpent and will indeed beat Odin sans removing the enchantment.

Imagine being strong enough to hurt Juggs (actually crack his skull) and imagine being even twice as strong with Cyttorak's enchantment added on to him.

Tyrant beat a bunch of heralds, so what? These are fodder compared to Kuurth. Hell Glads was hanging good with him until Tyrant threw someone into him causing him to drop his guard.

Bottom line: No herald can survive a fight with Kuurth. NONE! He would crush them all at the same time with ease. He won't be bothered by any of their attacks nor will any of them survive being crushed by the hammer.

FP Kuurth tackled heavyweights like : Classic Colossus, Classic Cyclops, Dazzler/Siren, Gambit/Rockslide, Magneto, Iceman, Rogue, and Emma Frost!

Feeb Tyrant only messed around with Jack of Hearts, Terrax, Ganymede, Thanos, Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer, Morg, Thanos and a fully fed Galactus. LOL weaksauce.

Originally posted by zopzop
You tell'em h1a8!

FP Kuurth tackled heavyweights like : Classic Colossus, Classic Cyclops, Dazzler/Siren, Gambit/Rockslide, Magneto, Iceman, Rogue, and Emma Frost!

Feeb Tyrant only messed around with Jack of Hearts, Terrax, Ganymede, Thanos, Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer, Morg, Thanos and a fully fed Galactus. LOL weaksauce.

Now that it's put this way, I give up - Kuurth kicks even LT a$$.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Sorry, but that is a lot of assumption in your reply. A lot of demons and their ilk get banished or imprisoned. That does not mean it automatically makes them universe-beaters. Unless it shown in a comic that he is what you claim, then his not "written" as such.

Cytorrak was written up as a special character, one that can never physically be anywhere but in his prison. You should never, and I mean ever see this guy, unless the guys that imprisoned him removed the lock, and that's if they can. I am currently unable to get the entire quote or I would scan it for you to read as a pdf. However the book happens to be at my second home in Montreal, I currently live in Jersey (true story) so it's a no go. You could fish out his original story in a Marvel Universe Handbook, of the late 80's early 90's. No one changed it, they just made fumble after fumble. Everything ever seen of him outside of the CC was either a projection, an Avatar, or a Herald.

Since the only citation that even hints at his power is that he was capable of destroying reality, we have to immediately jump to the conclusion that he is capable of more than Tyrant can bring to the table, and Galactus or both. I read the Wiki's, and they are all incorrect.

He nearly destroyed reality when he took over Marko body and was punching through time/space and that was just a fragment of his power.

Originally posted by carver9
He nearly destroyed reality when he took over Marko body and was punching through time/space and that was just a fragment of his power.

Good point. Great in fact.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Again, the "usntoppable" Juggernaut (half of the same power source) was stopped by War Hulk, Onslaught and Captain Universe rather easily. Also, wasn't Kuurth hurled away by Speedball?

Cain was never the most powerful Herald of Cyttorak. It was recently stated when Peter and Illyana went to the CC to speak to Cyttorak. The real one. He's allows Peter to draw more from him than he ever did with Cain. Petey's a real beast. This works in your favor, to strengthen your stance but classic Cain could be easily argued to have enough durability to weather Tyrant's blows adding the Serpent, well.

Originally posted by Stoic
Cain was never the most powerful Herald of Cyttorak. It was recently stated when Peter and Illyana went to the CC to speak to Cyttorak. The real one. He's allows Peter to draw more from him than he ever did with Cain. Petey's a real beast. This works in your favor, to strengthen your stance but classic Cain could be easily argued to have enough durability to weather Tyrant's blows adding the Serpent, well.

Originally posted by Stoic
Cain was never the most powerful Herald of Cyttorak. It was recently stated when Peter and Illyana went to the CC to speak to Cyttorak. The real one. He's allows Peter to draw more from him than he ever did with Cain. Petey's a real beast. This works in your favor, to strengthen your stance but classic Cain could be easily argued to have enough durability to weather Tyrant's blows adding the Serpent, well.

Except the Crimson Gem only has 1/8th of Cyttorak's power . He only allows Piotr to draw upon its full potential(although Piotr's feats don't put him above Cain) .
Cain was a dimwit , and never truly utilized the gem's full potential , because he wasn't a destruction-worshiping narcissist , the kind of guy which is considered an ideal avatar by Cyttorak .

Originally posted by leonidas
where did this idea of the vishanti being afraid of cyttorak come from exactly.....?

From a guy called Kenshiroo on KMC and Lance_Bastro on comicvine . The idea that Cyttorak is more powerful than the Living Tribunal also came from these guys .

Originally posted by Stoic
Cyttorak was in the Crimson Cosmos. I really doubt that he was fearful of the Serpent. What you saw was not the real Cyttorak, just another Avatar. He can not escape from that dimension.

What the hell are you talking about ? He was clearly outside his dimension when he fought Ikonn , Watoomb , the Seraphim and a bunch of other mystic entities for possession of Dr Strange .

Originally posted by leonidas
where did this idea of the vishanti being afraid of cyttorak come from exactly.....?

Juggs Fanboys who want to make him more powerful by proxy

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
From a guy called Kenshiroo on KMC and Lance_Bastro on comicvine . The idea that Cyttorak is more powerful than the Living Tribunal also came from these guys .

I'd like to know what stuff they're smoking. Wow. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
I'd like to know what stuff they're smoking. Wow. 😮‍💨

Here . Read the 8th post in this thread , and you'll get an idea :
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/amatsu-mikaboshi-vs-cyttorak/584438/?page=3

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Here . Read the 8th post in this thread , and you'll get an idea :
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/amatsu-mikaboshi-vs-cyttorak/584438/?page=3

Both funny and sad. After all the time and effort with the "unibased" analysis and uploading scans and stuff, most of the posters still were not convinced of Cytorrak>LT>Eternity>Mikaboshi. Almost feel sorry for those guys.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Both funny and sad. After all the time and effort with the "unbiased" analysis and uploading scans and stuff, most of the posters still were not convinced of Cytorrak>LT>Eternity>Mikaboshi. Almost feel sorry for those guys.

Holy sh|t !!!!!!!!!!! Are you telling me you actually managed to read all of that post !? You sir have superhuman reading skills .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Holy sh|t !!!!!!!!!!! Are you telling me you actually managed to read all of that post !? You sir have superhuman reading skills .

It wasn't that hard to follow. Half of the scans I have seen before but the others were interesting, some were funny like how they made it seem the Crimson cosmos was bigger than the multiverse. Again, I only read it, those poor guys had to scan, post and upload etc. Not sure how much time they sunk into that stuff.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
It wasn't that hard to follow. Half of the scans I have seen before but the others were interesting, some were funny like how they made it seem the Crimson cosmos was bigger than the multiverse. Again, I only read it, those poor guys had to scan, post and upload etc. Not sure how much time they sunk into that stuff.

Actually only one guy(Lance_Bastro) posted all that cr@p . He has a penchant for writing monster-sized posts , not to mention that his scans are often filled with his own self-designed captions , which can at times be misleading .

Tyrant in a rage stomp... That isn't even a fight and should be closed for spite.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
I'd like to know what stuff they're smoking. Wow. 😮‍💨

Trust me....you don't want any of that.
You'd be better off smoking crystal meth. 😉