Kuurth (FP) vs Tyrant (DP)

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
What the hell are you talking about ? He was clearly outside his dimension when he fought Ikonn , Watoomb , the Seraphim and a bunch of other mystic entities for possession of Dr Strange .

You know what imprisoned forever means right? That was not the real Cyttorak. Just a projection, or Avatar of him. We know for instance that he does not look like that, although he may be able to change appearance. All the same, not the real one. Do yourself a favor, and pitch that trash into the should be non canon bin.

Originally posted by Stoic
You know what imprisoned forever means right? That was not the real Cyttorak. Just a projection, or Avatar of him. We know for instance that he does not look like that, although he may be able to change appearance. All the same, not the real one. Do yourself a favor, and pitch that trash into the should be non canon bin.

Except he does . Do you even know about the character ? I doubt you do , because he looked EXACTLY like that when he trapped Strange,Galactus and Nova in his realm .

Its his other aspect , the god-aspect which demands worship . In this form , he has created an entire race of elves to worship him .

Btw , Cyttorak wasn't "imprisoned" in the Crimson Cosmos , he was banished from Earth , and he later took residence in the Crimson Cosmos .
Reference : New Excalibur # 14

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Except he does . Do you even know about the character ? I doubt you do , because he looked EXACTLY like that when he trapped Strange,Galactus and Nova in his realm .

Its his other aspect , the god-aspect which demands worship . In this form , he has created an entire race of elves to worship him .

Cytttorak is imprisoned within the Crimson Cosmos. If you see a comic with him in it, it is not the real as in true Cyttorak. Just an Avy. Dude do you understand? He was locked the phuck up, with no possibility of parole.

Originally posted by Stoic
Cytttorak is imprisoned within the Crimson Cosmos. If you see a comic with him in it, it is not the real as in true Cyttorak. Just an Avy. Dude do you understand? He was locked the phuck up, with no possibility of parole.

Except he is not imprisoned in the CC .Read my previous post . Its very apparent that you know nothing about the character .

His avatars are mortal beings that are given power from the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak .

And that instance of him fighting all those mystic beings was indeed the real Cyttorak , because he has never manifested his god-aspect in an avatar . Only 1/8th of his destructive aspect is manifested in those who wield the power of the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Btw , Cyttorak wasn't "imprisoned" in the Crimson Cosmos , he was banished from Earth , and he later took residence in the Crimson Cosmos .
Reference : New Excalibur # 14

Then it's a retcon. Not his original story. you have to go back before Excaliber number one ever existed, and read his Handbook entry. As far as i can tell, he is still within the CC, and he can not get out. I almost don't believe you, or it was a writers error. I mean he's still in there right now. Does it make sense for a guy that wants to destroy everything sit in some close off red room for eternity? Seriously man, find those old handbooks. There are times that they take precedence over poor writing.

lulz thats the real Cyttorak, his appearace has changed thats all.

The stupidity is unreal at times.

Originally posted by Stoic
Then it's a retcon. Not his original story. you have to go back before Excaliber number one ever existed, and read his Handbook entry. As far as i can tell, he is still within the CC, and he can not get out. I almost don't believe you, or it was a writers error. I mean he's still in there right now. Does it make sense for a guy that wants to destroy everything sit in some close off red room for eternity? Seriously man, find those old handbooks. There are times that they take precedence over poor writing.

Retcon ? That was among his first appearances in comic history , during the 60's to 70s era , apart from Strange Tales .

The on-panel evidence AND the handbook bio has never alluded to him being imprisoned in the CC , to the point that he can't leave under his own power . Plus the handbook also specifies that he has two aspects : god and demon .

The god-aspect demands worship and is aloof to mortal affairs . This was proven in the Infinity Gauntlet arc .

Originally posted by Nihilist
lulz thats the real Cyttorak, his appearace has changed thats all.

His appearance hasn't changed , its merely his other aspect , the one which demands worship , and the one from whom sorcerers like Dr Strange invoke power .

The destructive demon aspect is what powers avatars like Cain and Piotr .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Retcon ? That was among his first appearances in comic history , during the 60's to 70s era , apart from Strange Tales .

The on-panel evidence AND the handbook bio has never alluded to him being imprisoned in the CC , to the point that he can't leave under his own power . Plus the handbook also specifies that he has two aspects : god and demon .

The god-aspect demands worship and is aloof to mortal affairs . This was proven in the Infinity Gauntlet arc .

I'm telling you that the original handbook history was revised, and some parts were taken out in the newer volumes. I'm talking vol 1 of the original series. It was the first series to include the Marvel U book of the dead. The Crimson Cosmos was originally Cytorrak's prison, it was retconned without my knowledge, His new history is so shaky no wonder he rarely makes an appearance. Dude you don't have to believe a thing, but certain parts of his original history before the retcon was removed. He was originally defeated through guile by his peers, they cast a spell to cast him into the Crimson Cosmos due to his destructive ambitions. He had to be contained. The Exemplars were written in, and the writers ignored continuity, and smoothly did the retcon. I'm telling you, I know what I read.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm telling you that the original handbook history was revised, and some parts were taken out in the newer volumes. I'm talking vol 1 of the original series. It was the first series to include the Marvel U book of the dead. The Crimson Cosmos was originally Cytorrak's prison, it was retconned without my knowledge, His new history is so shaky no wonder he rarely makes an appearance. Dude you don't have to believe a thing, but certain parts of his original history before the retcon was removed. He was originally defeated through guile by his peers, they cast a spell to cast him into the Crimson Cosmos due to his destructive ambitions. He had to be contained. The Exemplars were written in, and the writers ignored continuity, and smoothly did the retcon. I'm telling you, I know what I read.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So? Even if its a retcon it is canon now.

No kidding.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm telling you that the original handbook history was revised, and some parts were taken out in the newer volumes. I'm talking vol 1 of the original series. It was the first series to include the Marvel U book of the dead. The Crimson Cosmos was originally Cytorrak's prison, it was retconned without my knowledge, His new history is so shaky no wonder he rarely makes an appearance. Dude you don't have to believe a thing, but certain parts of his original history before the retcon was removed. He was originally defeated through guile by his peers, they cast a spell to cast him into the Crimson Cosmos due to his destructive ambitions. He had to be contained. The Exemplars were written in, and the writers ignored continuity, and smoothly did the retcon. I'm telling you, I know what I read.

And I am still telling you that I have yet to see any on-panel evidence which seems to suggest that he was "imprisoned" beyond the ability to leave the CC under his own power .

Please post the relevant scans from the original handbook , which you keep saying got retconned , so that I can see for myself where you're getting what you're saying .
Or at the very least refer me to the relevant comic issue , or the handbook in which such a claim was made .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
And I am still telling you that I have yet to see any on-panel evidence which seems to suggest that he was "imprisoned" beyond the ability to leave the CC under his own power .

Please post the relevant scans from the original handbook , which you keep saying got retconned , so that I can see for myself where you're getting what you're saying .
Or at the very least refer me to the relevant comic issue , or the handbook in which such a claim was made .

I can not honor the request for a very good reason, my books are packed tight in another country, so there is no way that i can. Since the books were printed, you are certain to be able to find them out there, well I guess. Cyttorak's origin story has been around for quite some time buddy. Things have changed slightly with him. Not that important now anyways, you were informed of what was, and I know now what is. You have to admit that there is something fishy about a guy called the destroyer wanting rather to sit in a red room on his shytter than get out there and destroy everything in sight. You see what I mean? That new hand book entry sucks pitts, it is what it is though, but it's not the original history. It was completely revised.

Originally posted by Stoic
I can not honor the request for a very good reason, my books are packed tight in another country, so there is no way that i can. Since the books were printed, you are certain to be able to find them out there, well I guess. Cyttorak's origin story has been around for quite some time buddy. Things have changed slightly with him. Not that important now anyways, you were informed of what was, and I know now what is. You have to admit that there is something fishy about a guy called the destroyer wanting rather to sit in a red room on his shytter than get out there and destroy the everything in sight. You see what I mean? That new hand book entry sucks pitts, it is what it is though, but it's not the original history. It was completely revised.

I also stated that a reference to the exact issue or that alleged "original" handbook(which you kept mentioning repeatedly) in which such as statement was made would also be sufficient .

And that is only his destructive-demonic aspect . As I have told you thrice already now , he has another aspect : the god-aspect which demands worship and from whom sorcerers like Stephen Strange invoke power(usually in the form of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak) .
He appeared in this aspect when he trapped Galactus , Strange and Nova in his realm .

Trust me , there was never a retcon to begin with . He made his first appearance in Dr Strange vol 3 # 44 , in which Strange and Nova were trapped in his realm , and Marko defeated Cyttorak .

The scans(the ones I posted on the previous page) in which he squabbles with those other mystic deities , over Dr Strange , took place in Dr Strange vol 3 # 49 , his second appearance in comicbook history .

Stan Lee(the guy who created the character to begin with) , was an author for these stories .