Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree.
1. What are the PFive transmuting feats? I never seen them just transmuting beings with great durability.
2. The hammer allows Nul to get back to the BF.
1. You don't need great durability. Adam X turned Kuurth's blood into fire. Moreover, Emma was shattered and put herself back together. Moreover, we have Magik, whose Soulsword is magical Kryptonite. MOREOVER, we have the Phoenix Force as a sentient force of its own.
2. You're getting mixed up with Kuurth. When Thor BFRd Nuul, he didn't return.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
1. You don't need great durability. Adam X turned Kuurth's blood into fire. Moreover, Emma was shattered and put herself back together. Moreover, we have Magik, whose Soulsword is magical Kryptonite. MOREOVER, we have the Phoenix Force as a sentient force of its own.2. You're getting mixed up with Kuurth. When Thor BFRd Nuul, he didn't return.
Adam x didn't transmute any part of Kuurth. Do you know how his powers work? He transfers oxygen to the blood and then sends an electric pulse to ignite it.
Kuurth can reform himself from changes made to him. Look how he reformed his helmet and became normal after his bloods was ignited.
Originally posted by h1a8
Durability resists transmutation.
Otherwise Surfer can turn anyone into a table (Odin, Thor, Hercules, etc)Adam x didn't transmute any part of Kuurth. Do you know how his powers work? He transfers oxygen to the blood and then sends an electric pulse to ignite it.
Kuurth can reform himself from changes made to him. Look how he reformed his helmet and became normal after his bloods was ignited.
You're forgetting that Magik has her Soulsword. Which would negate magic. Which makes the durability moot.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You're forgetting that Magik has her Soulsword. Which would negate magic. Which makes the durability moot.
I don't recall Magik transmuting Kuurth.
Even so then how is that relevant to the P5?
Not only they need to show that they are capable of transmuting something but they also need to show the propensity to do so.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't recall Magik transmuting Kuurth.
Even so then how is that relevant to the P5?
Not only they need to show that they are capable of transmuting something but they also need to show the propensity to do so.
No no...I meant that Magik's sword can dispel magical links.
She is one of the P5.
She can cut Kuurth off from the Serpent. Turning him into.....Cain Marko.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No no...I meant that Magik's sword can dispel magical links.She is one of the P5.
She can cut Kuurth off from the Serpent. Turning him into.....Cain Marko.
She has to be in limbo to attempt to cut him off.
Your scans don't prove she can just make limbo appear anywhere and her opponents inside of it.
Scott may be the leader but nowhere has he or any of the P5 thought about transmuting anyone (assuming they can).
You haven't even shown that they have the capability of doing it.
Don't argue potential, argue power and know how.
Conclusive showings that prove any of the P5 can transmute a being.
Conclusive reasoning or showings that they will even think about it ever.
Originally posted by h1a8
She has to be in limbo to attempt to cut him off.
Your scans don't prove she can just make limbo appear anywhere and her opponents inside of it.
Scott may be the leader but nowhere has he or any of the P5 thought about transmuting anyone (assuming they can).You haven't even shown that they have the capability of doing it.
Don't argue potential, argue power and know how.
Conclusive showings that prove any of the P5 can transmute a being.
Conclusive reasoning or showings that they will even think about it ever.
Erm...she brought Limbo to Earth to use as a prison.
I'm not arguing potential. I am arguing that Magik, using her sword (which is standard equipment), would negate the Serpent.
She uses her sword like, all the time.
Know how = Cyclops knows what Kuurth is capable of.
I am arguing that Magik would use her sword and depower Kuurth.
Originally posted by wxyz
I'm not convinced Kuurth can be transmuted.I'm also not sure about Magik cutting Kuurth off from BOTH of his power sources (Cytorrak, Serpent).
Magik without 20% of the Phoenix Force was already able to cut Cytorrak off, casually, and could have done it at any time she wanted. Cytorrak's unstoppable enchantment, btw, was so powerful Kuurth was unable to stop it.
There's literally nothing stopping her from using her stepping disks to cut EVERY other Worthy member off, casually, actually.
Plus, Hope managed to transmute his helmet off:
All this is by the by, incidentally.
Even IF the Worthy manage to defeat, say, Namor or Emma - that only makes the others stronger.
Emma was shattered into pieces, and thrown into space - she reformed and kicked Thor's ass:
At the end, when it was just Cyclops, he was existing all across the globe simultaneously, and was having mental dinner with Emma whilst fighting the Avengers and having his mind attacked by Prof X - then later, Wolverine was putting his claws through his head etc etc.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Magik without 20% of the Phoenix Force was already able to cut Cytorrak off, casually, and could have done it at any time she wanted. Cytorrak's unstoppable enchantment, btw, was so powerful Kuurth was unable to stop it.There's literally nothing stopping her from using her stepping disks to cut EVERY other Worthy member off, casually, actually.
Plus, Hope managed to transmute his helmet off:
All this is by the by, incidentally.
Even IF the Worthy manage to defeat, say, Namor or Emma - that only makes the others stronger.
Emma was shattered into pieces, and thrown into space - she reformed and kicked Thor's ass:
At the end, when it was just Cyclops, he was existing all across the globe simultaneously, and was having mental dinner with Emma whilst fighting the Avengers and having his mind attacked by Prof X - then later, Wolverine was putting his claws through his head etc etc.
Magik has to be in her domain to access that power.
She just can't gesture and then both her and her opponent is in her domain.
Even if she could then that would be leaving the battlefield, which is not allowed.