Wait a minute. Too many people don't know this but Cyttorak took his powers from Cain more than once and Cain was still as strong as Colossus, even while being depowered. For some strange reason, Cain body stores the Cytorakk powers within him. Hell, he defeated Rhino and Cytorrak wasn't giving him any of his powers. With that said, its debatable if Cain without the Serpent powers was a regular human.
Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. Too many people don't know this but Cyttorak took his powers from Cain more than once and Cain was still as strong as Colossus, even while being depowered. For some strange reason, Cain body stores the Cytorakk powers within him. Hell, he defeated Rhino and Cytorrak wasn't giving him any of his powers. With that said, its debatable if Cain without the Serpent powers was a regular human.
Cain was stated as not being as strong as pre-death Colossus, if you believe what Beast said.
And Colossus got an amp after he came back.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Cain was stated as not being as strong as pre-death Colossus, if you believe what Beast said.And Colossus got an amp after he came back.
But he was lifting weights that Colossus struggled with. He was as strong if not stronger. The point of this is, Cain body stores Cytorrak power.
Originally posted by Stoic
I was thinking the same thing. I don't believe that Thor KO'd Nul, as you see an unaudible speech bubble a second after he was sent flying off into space. Thor did not hurt Nul, and if bfr was not an option, I think he would have lost hard.Nul's speech was not capable of being heard because he was in a vacuum.
While I don't disagree...the vacuum in space has not stopped people from being heard before. Comic logic FTW
Originally posted by Zack Fair
While I don't disagree...the vacuum in space has not stopped people from being heard before. Comic logic FTW
The thing that helps his case is...Nul was knocked "away" from Earth, past the moon and past a planet, he made a U-Turn in space and was heading back to earth. Someone unconscious can't turn in space which is what Nul did.
As for Cain being depowered. Here is a Cain that wasn't getting any power from Cytorrak.
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^^ Cain is a mutant and is a physically big man. So he would be strong, but I dont think he is in Ben or Colossus' class.
So now cain stores cytorrak's powers? I just love how people are coming up with new hypothesis every other post. I do see where you are going with this though. You want to say that it takes more power than what thor had to hurt Cytorrak's avatar at that time.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Because Cytorrak is a capricious jerk and sometimes the avatar wants to lose, like Collosusnaut wanted to lose against Rulk before his rage consumed him and he further endangered Utopia.
Unless they come out and say that colossusnaut was fighting at less than 100% against kurrth we have to go with what was shown and it was shown that he had all of the powers that were granted to kurrth, which were then taken from kurrth and given to colossus. Note the unstoppability that you mentioned earlier. :-)
Side note, first time i think I have ever gone back and forth with you. Glad that we kept it civil 👆 not saying that you are uncivil/condenscending in your posts. 🙂
@Diesldude...
Ok, did I miss something? When was it stated that Cain was a mutant? Cytorrak wasn't lending Cain any powers but Cain was still a class 90 or low class 100. Cytorrak taking his powers during his fight against Colossonaut doesnt mean he still didn't have a fragment of it stored in him since we've seen on NUMEROUS of occasions that Cain without Cytorrak lending him powers is still super strong.
Originally posted by carver9
@Diesldude...Ok, did I miss something? When was it stated that Cain was a mutant? Cytorrak wasn't lending Cain any powers but Cain was still a class 90 or low class 100. Cytorrak taking his powers during his fight against Colossonaut doesnt mean he still didn't have a fragment of it stored in him since we've seen on NUMEROUS of occasions that Cain without Cytorrak lending him powers is still super strong.
my bad, sorry.. not sure why but I always though he was a mutant. probably because of his relation with Charles.
Colossus has 3 forms now sans phoenix force. Regular Colossus, juggy Colossus and demon Colossus.
Just curious how would you guys rank them in terms of strength and durabilty?
Serpent powered Cain, Classic Juggs, Colossus w/ gem, Serpent and gem powered Cain, Demon Colossus, pf and cyttorak powered Colossus (lol) and 8th day juggs.
Originally posted by DiesldudeColossusnaut's appearances should make it clear that the more he revels in destruction, the more power he accesses.
You can say Colossus got serious but he isn't the hulk and he doesn't get more powerful as he gets angrier. I havn't read this story, but him going godslayer isn't a power displayed by juggernaut or kurrth. This is something new not something displayed by kurrth.Unless they come out and say that colossusnaut was fighting at less than 100% against kurrth we have to go with what was shown and it was shown that he had all of the powers that were granted to kurrth and were taken from him and given to colossus. Note the unstoppability that you mentioned earlier. :-)
Side note, first time i think I ever gone back and forth with you. Glad that we kept it civil 👆
You should also recognize that Cytorrak doesn't make all of his avatars equal. This is clear because Colossusnaut isn't equal to Juggernaut. It depends on Cytorrak's mood. And he has fluctuated a single avatar's power, Juggernaut, numerous times. In the face of these facts, reverse-projecting Colossusnaut's stats/powers onto FP Kuurth is dubious.
Originally posted by carver9
You MIGHT be right and why are you saying "pre-second" amp? Colossus before his second amp was still a class 100.
No he wasn't. Sure he had high and low feats, but he was still generally in the 75-80 bracket.
We both know I'm usually right, so how about you just believe me and we can move on?
Originally posted by -Pr-
No he wasn't. Sure he had high and low feats, but he was still generally in the 75-80 bracket.We both know I'm usually right, so how about you just believe me and we can move on?
No, just hell no. You aren't always right and I'm pretty sure you might not be right this time, I just don't have the comic in front of me right now.
Colossus was above the 75-80 ton class since the 90's. 😕
You are getting your Colossus mixed up. He really didn't have any low fts during this era either when its concerning his strength.
