Originally posted by h1a8
I wasn't thinking straight. In no way do I think Superman wins. I just forgot about the speed and perception difference in this fight.
Stalemate imo.
But Superman would eventually grow tired right? There is no time limit on this fight, so how would this work in the long run? We could be talking about, weeks, months, years, decades or even centuries as Kuurth does not tire.
Originally posted by carver9So what would be the reason why Superman is looking at an attack coming at him in super slow motion and decides not to get out of the way? Is he literally that stupid?
The only way this is a stalemate or Superman standing any type of chance in this fight is if we have him fighting in ways we've never seen him display in a comic.
Originally posted by Stoic
But Superman would eventually grow tired right? There is no time limit on this fight, so how would this work in the long run? We could be talking about, weeks, months, years, decades or even centuries as Kuurth does not tire.
Superman doesn’t tire if he’s replenishing faster than he is exerting. After awhile Superman realizes he can’t put Kuurth down permanently. He then just dodges for the rest of the fight without tiring. Stalemate
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman doesn’t tire if he’s replenishing faster than he is exerting. After awhile Superman realizes he can’t put Kuurth down permanently. He then just dodges for the rest of the fight without tiring. Stalemate
There is no time limit. Kuurth does not need to eat, breathe, or sleep. He is also immortal, and bfr does not work on him. If they had to stand in one spot banging it out Superman would eventually grow tired. Superman also sleeps at night doesn't he?
Originally posted by StoicProve that he is immortal or even long lived.
There is no time limit. Kuurth does not need to eat, breathe, or sleep. He is also immortal, and bfr does not work on him. If they had to stand in one spot banging it out Superman would eventually grow tired. Superman also sleeps at night doesn't he?
Superman doesn't need to sleep. This has been established a long time ago.
The sun constantly sustains him. He will never tire as long as he gains more than he exerts. Once Superman understands that physical force cannot put Kuurth down. He just dodges the rest of the fight.
Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that he is immortal or even long lived.Superman doesn't need to sleep. This has been established a long time ago.
The sun constantly sustains him. He will never tire as long as he gains more than he exerts. Once Superman understands that physical force cannot put Kuurth down. He just dodges the rest of the fight.
A few things that we should work through.
Full powered Kuurth is immortal. The Juggernaut is immortal due to the enchantment. He no longer requires food, sleep, and he does not age. he doesn't even need flesh to continue existing. If you need more proof google his character bio.
Superman has gotten tired in comics. When he fought Doomsday he began to tire, so we know that he can become tired.
It was mentioned that he fought Wonder Woman for thousands of years, so this is either a contradiction or Wonder Woman did not possess enough power to make him tired. He either tires or he doesn't right?
Now I guess we will need to figure out if Wonder Woman would be able to defeat Kuurth, or if he hits hard enough to rival Doomsday's might.
Superman fights a certain way. i have seen him dodge Doomsday Rex, so you may be correct, but this was after DOS Doomsday put him in a deep coma. Superman typically bangs out with his opponents because of his belief that he can take it. Don't make it seem as if he'd jump to this tactic off the bat. In other words don't fight for him.
Originally posted by StoicBios are irrelevant. You must prove it using the primary source.
A few things that we should work through.Full powered Kuurth is immortal. The Juggernaut is immortal due to the enchantment. He no longer requires food, sleep, and he does not age. he doesn't even need flesh to continue existing. If you need more proof google his character bio.
Superman has gotten tired in comics. When he fought Doomsday he began to tire, so we know that he can become tired.
You didn't read my argument correctly. I already knew that Superman gets tired if he exerts energy FASTER than he absorbs. I clearly stated that if Superman is absorbing more energy than he is using then he will never tire. I said that once he realizes that he can't put Kuurth down then he would just evade the entire fight. This would allow him to gain more energy than he is using (he would stop attacking).
Superman fights a certain way. i have seen him dodge Doomsday Rex, so you may be correct, but this was after DOS Doomsday put him in a deep coma. Superman typically bangs out with his opponents because of his belief that he can take it. Don't make it seem as if he'd jump to this tactic off the bat. In other words don't fight for him.
Originally posted by h1a8
Bios are irrelevant. You must prove it using the primary source.You didn't read my argument correctly. I already knew that Superman gets tired if he exerts energy FASTER than he absorbs. I clearly stated that if Superman is absorbing more energy than he is using then he will never tire. I said that once he realizes that he can't put Kuurth down then he would just evade the entire fight. This would allow him to gain more energy than he is using (he would stop attacking).
I understand. But Kuurth isn't one shotting Superman. Superman would take a blow or two to know how tough his opponent is. After all that, eventually Superman realizes that he has to dodge (he knows that he can't put Kuurth at that point)
1. Bios are not irrelevant when we are talking about power set. The Juggernaut is immortal, and since we are talking about a full powered Kuurth linked directly to the enchantment Kuurth is also immortal. Cytorrak at one point had to be made aware that Cain had become bonded by the rogue spirit that had him imprisoned. I am not using the bio to prove a feat so it can be used.
2. I read your entire post. I had no problem understanding it. Did you read my post correctly?
What we have to prove is whether or not Kuurth would be able to tire Superman out, while Superman fights in character, and not the way that we want him to fight.
The majority of times he bangs out with his opponent. Doomsday did not one shot Superman, nor did I ever suggest that Kuurth would do this. You seem to want to go on the defensive, while I'm simply trying to simulate the way a fight would go down between these two strangers.
Just because Superman decides to stop attacking, why or what would that have to do with Kuurth's approach to battle?
What would happen if Kuurth grabbed Superman? Would he begin dodging, and if so how would he do that exactly? We know that Kuurth does actully tend to get into grapple matches as we saw when he ran into Colossus right?
3. Again, Superman never has to get within reach of Kuurth, but he does not fight this way. I could say that Superman skirts around the battlefield releasing HV whenever he is out of reach, but he never fights this way. This is how I would fight Kuurth with Superman's powers. You would dodge him the entire fight making this a stalemate, but again Superman doesn't fight like this. Does Kuurth ever get a turn to punch? is this a one sided tag your hit Superman fight? Superman gets hit all of the time by characters much slower than Kuurth.
If this becomes an eternal stalemate then whatever, but I'm not buying your approach entirely. Are you saying that if they were in an enclosed space that does not allow for either to dodge and they have to bang it out that....? And I'm going to let you finish my sentence here. What is the answer, because the OP is asking a question that requires an answer outside of run and gun stalemate.
Originally posted by Stoic
1. Bios are not irrelevant when we are talking about power set. The Juggernaut is immortal, and since we are talking about a full powered Kuurth linked directly to the enchantment Kuurth is also immortal. Cytorrak at one point had to be made aware that Cain had become bonded by the rogue spirit that had him imprisoned. I am not using the bio to prove a feat so it can be used.2. I read your entire post. I had no problem understanding it. Did you read my post correctly?
What we have to prove is whether or not Kuurth would be able to tire Superman out, while Superman fights in character, and not the way that we want him to fight.
The majority of times he bangs out with his opponent. Doomsday did not one shot Superman, nor did I ever suggest that Kuurth would do this. You seem to want to go on the defensive, while I'm simply trying to simulate the way a fight would go down between these two strangers.
Just because Superman decides to stop attacking, why or what would that have to do with Kuurth's approach to battle?
What would happen if Kuurth grabbed Superman? Would he begin dodging, and if so how would he do that exactly? We know that Kuurth does actully tend to get into grapple matches as we saw when he ran into Colossus right?
3. Again, Superman never has to get within reach of Kuurth, but he does not fight this way. I could say that Superman skirts around the battlefield releasing HV whenever he is out of reach, but he never fights this way. This is how I would fight Kuurth with Superman's powers. You would dodge him the entire fight making this a stalemate, but again Superman doesn't fight like this. Does Kuurth ever get a turn to punch? is this a one sided tag your hit Superman fight? Superman gets hit all of the time by characters much slower than Kuurth.
If this becomes an eternal stalemate then whatever, but I'm not buying your approach entirely. Are you saying that if they were in an enclosed space that does not allow for either to dodge and they have to bang it out that....? And I'm going to let you finish my sentence here. What is the answer, because the OP is asking a question that requires an answer outside of run and gun stalemate.
Superman can perceive bullets frozen. Kuurth would be a statue here.