Originally posted by carver9
By the way, Thor and Gladiator never fought. Thor never faced a canon version of Gladiator outside of the Masterson fight. Basically, they have NEVER met.
erm... nono
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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
erm... nonohttp://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator01FF339.jpg
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The mods ruled that out as non canon to Glads.
Originally posted by carver9
That's not canon to Gladiator crazy. It's a Gladiator from a different time line. A time line where we don't know what type of changes Gladiator went through.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, but only after you'd been using it for months as evidence for Gladiator. Bad form, carver...
Originally posted by -Pr-
I have to look at it from the view of stats and feats though, as that's the only clear way I can get an average for each character.Tell you what: Let's take that fight out of the equation completely. Colossus Vs Gladiator. Tell me how that fight goes down. What feats of Colossus makes you think he's a threat to Gladiator?
if you are posting scans of some fight you should look at those scans as they are without being biased based on the things you think, its a well known fact gladiator is above colossus however not to the level he will dismiss him like a child, thats why i told you to look at the fight as it is without any bachground opinion.
gladiator should beat colossus 10/10 , however colossus based on his feats, stats, and his fight with gladiator clearly can take some punishment from him and can put some hurt on him, their fight clearly showed us they were evenly matched for a while and trading blows at even ground, being stronger and more durable means eventually the other opponent will give up before you do however it does not mean he will dismiss colossus as a step child, colossus took down savage hulk and put some hurt on him, foguth juggernaut, fought sasquach and actually did better than him, colossus is no push over and while he is leagues below gladiator he will be a fight for him and combined with this team he will do his share.
Originally posted by red sabre
if you are posting scans of some fight you should look at those scans as they are without being biased based on the things you think, its a well known fact gladiator is above colossus however not to the level he will dismiss him like a child, thats why i told you to look at the fight as it is without any bachground opinion.gladiator should beat colossus 10/10 , however colossus based on his feats, stats, and his fight with gladiator clearly can take some punishment from him and can put some hurt on him, their fight clearly showed us they were evenly matched for a while and trading blows at even ground, being stronger and more durable means eventually the other opponent will give up before you do however it does not mean he will dismiss colossus as a step child, colossus took down savage hulk and put some hurt on him, foguth juggernaut, fought sasquach and actually did better than him, colossus is no push over and while he is leagues below gladiator he will be a fight for him and combined with this team he will do his share.
How am I biased in how I'm looking at the fight?
Show me where Colossus consistently hurts Gladiator or anyone on his level in a fight, please.
Question also: He can he be leagues below him and still be a threat to him?
Originally posted by -Pr-
How am I biased in how I'm looking at the fight?Show me where Colossus consistently hurts Gladiator or anyone on his level in a fight, please.
Question also: He can he be leagues below him and still be a threat to him?
you are biased based on what you said yourself, you basically said that when looking at the fight you also consider their feats and overall stats and this is why you refuce to see the fight as it really is, you see them fighting on even ground but then you go and say how the hell is it possible? gladioator is clearly above colossus, so then you already stating things that arent there.
you think colossus blows wont be able to hurt gladiator? their fight proves it can, he hurt sasquatch, he hurt savage hulk, come on man i can understand you saying colossus is below him but to actually portray the situation as if colossus cant even hurt gladiator is unreal.
threat? i already said gladiator beats him 10/10, however in this fight its colossus namor and thing, and if they bring him down and just get on top of him and pound on him i can assure you that colossus ground and pound him will effect hurt and damage him, the 3 of them will simply kill him too much pounding for him to take.
i also got a question to you, do you believe that if the 3 of them restrain gladiator and start to pound him with all they got he wont feel or be damaged by colossus strikes? gladiator is lying on the ground and colossus pounding on his face with his fists do you think gladiator wont be damaged or even knocked out after a while?
Originally posted by red sabre
you are biased based on what you said yourself, you basically said that when looking at the fight you also consider their feats and overall stats and this is why you refuce to see the fight as it really is, you see them fighting on even ground but then you go and say how the hell is it possible? gladioator is clearly above colossus, so then you already stating things that arent there.you think colossus blows wont be able to hurt gladiator? their fight proves it can, he hurt sasquatch, he hurt savage hulk, come on man i can understand you saying colossus is below him but to actually portray the situation as if colossus cant even hurt gladiator is unreal.
threat? i already said gladiator beats him 10/10, however in this fight its colossus namor and thing, and if they bring him down and just get on top of him and pound on him i can assure you that colossus ground and pound him will effect hurt and damage him, the 3 of them will simply kill him too much pounding for him to take.
i also got a question to you, do you believe that if the 3 of them restrain gladiator and start to pound him with all they got he wont feel or be damaged by colossus strikes? gladiator is lying on the ground and colossus pounding on his face with his fists do you think gladiator wont be damaged or even knocked out after a while?
"the fight as it really is" is open to interpretation. you thinking it's something doesn't make it fact. i never conceded that they were even, nor do I think they were.
the fight doesn't prove that, though, as colossus doesn't hurt gladiator throughout. so if he can hurt him, you think he can do as much damage with what, ten punches, as gladiator can do with one?
and i don't agree.
if they get him weak enough, i'm sure those blows will hurt, but we've already seen gladiator shrug off his punches with little to no effort.
Is gladiator going to just stand there and let these guys pound on him?
Originally posted by -Pr-
"the fight as it really is" is open to interpretation. you thinking it's something doesn't make it fact. i never conceded that they were even, nor do I think they were.the fight doesn't prove that, though, as colossus doesn't hurt gladiator throughout. so if he can hurt him, you think he can do as much damage with what, ten punches, as gladiator can do with one?
and i don't agree.
if they get him weak enough, i'm sure those blows will hurt, but we've already seen gladiator shrug off his punches with little to no effort.
Is gladiator going to just stand there and let these guys pound on him?
the fight as it is meaning the things we see, its a fact we see them, trading blows and going blow for blow on an even ground and even narration state so, so this is not a matter of opinion but simple facts, of course eventually they werent even because gladiator was the victor but for a while they without a doubt were at even grounds.
its irrelevant, i adressed the part of colossus making damage or not, my point is not comparing the relevance between the damage they can make to each other, if gladiator could cause more damage to colossus with 1 punch than colossus to him with 10 we would see results backing that up in their fight, however they went blow for blow which already tells us the gap isnt the same as you think it is.
weak enough? so now you think if thing colossus and namor pound on him he wont get hurt? only if he will be depowered? Pr i am sorry but you are not talking about marvel gladiator this is already your own version of gladiator, the gladiator i know off almost always losing a trading punch fest, to masterson, to thor, to black bolt, to hulk, to supreme, his durability is clearly no where as the top tiers when it comes to punch for punch, if thing and namor are able to hurt guys like hulk and hercules on their own i am more than sure they will beat the hell out of gladiator.
do you really believe gladiator will avoid getting hit by those 3? namor is not that far behind him in reflex and combat speed if there is any gap at all because as far as i know gladiator can fly faster but as far as combat speed i dont see the difference, you are avoiding my question Pr, do you think if colossus will pound on gladiator he wont get hurt?
Originally posted by red sabre
the fight as it is meaning the things we see, its a fact we see them, trading blows and going blow for blow on an even ground and even narration state so, so this is not a matter of opinion but simple facts, of course eventually they werent even because gladiator was the victor but for a while they without a doubt were at even grounds.its irrelevant, i adressed the part of colossus making damage or not, my point is not comparing the relevance between the damage they can make to each other, if gladiator could cause more damage to colossus with 1 punch than colossus to him with 10 we would see results backing that up in their fight, however they went blow for blow which already tells us the gap isnt the same as you think it is.
weak enough? so now you think if thing colossus and namor pound on him he wont get hurt? only if he will be depowered? Pr i am sorry but you are not talking about marvel gladiator this is already your own version of gladiator, the gladiator i know off almost always losing a trading punch fest, to masterson, to thor, to black bolt, to hulk, to supreme, his durability is clearly no where as the top tiers when it comes to punch for punch, if thing and namor are able to hurt guys like hulk and hercules on their own i am more than sure they will beat the hell out of gladiator.
do you really believe gladiator will avoid getting hit by those 3? namor is not that far behind him in reflex and combat speed if there is any gap at all because as far as i know gladiator can fly faster but as far as combat speed i dont see the difference, you are avoiding my question Pr, do you think if colossus will pound on gladiator he wont get hurt?
i don't agree that it's a fact, though.
how is it irrelevant? because you want it to be? what about their feats? You want to take one fight and the way you perceive it above all their feats in other books?
that isn't what i said. please re-read my post.
i didn't avoid your question; i answered it in earlier posts. for one, i already said namor would be a challenge. i just don't consider colossus and thing to be one in and of themselves. and no, to repeat myself, colossus would need a long time to pound on gladiator to hurt him.
Originally posted by -Pr-
i don't agree that it's a fact, though.how is it irrelevant? because you want it to be? what about their feats? You want to take one fight and the way you perceive it above all their feats in other books?
that isn't what i said. please re-read my post.
i didn't avoid your question; i answered it in earlier posts. for one, i already said namor would be a challenge. i just don't consider colossus and thing to be one in and of themselves. and no, to repeat myself, colossus would need a long time to pound on gladiator to hurt him.
you see now you went all lost in the discussion, we are not talking about their overall stats and feats, we are talking about their fight that you posted, when you look at the fight you mix the things you see with things you think should happen, thats why you always bring their overall feats and stats, i am talking only about the fight, and even by feats colossus still beat savage hulk something glads failed to do and he still beat sasquatch and thing that would all give glads a good fight anyway you look at it.
so you basically think colossus cant hurt gladiator by pounding on him unless it will be for a long time? then i will ask you thins what does time have to do with anything? if gladiator is so durable to colossus punches to the point he wont get hurt in the first 5 to 10 punches why should he get hurt after a while? if he is that durable that colossus cant hurt him as you claim then colossus isnt suppose to hurt him no matter how many punches he throws because at those stats he is basically too durable for colossus, now seriously Pr i really rerally disagree, what did gladiator present to say that? gladiator goes down to any high herald when trading blows with them, went down on masterson, went down on thor, went down on hulk, went down on supreme, went down on black bolt, all this guy does is going down, it is clear as daylight he cant match them in durability so how can you say he is so durable to the point he wont even get hurt by colossus pounding on him? this is backed by nothing, canonball hurt him and yes it happened, gambit hurt him with a deck of explosive cards, his durability doesnt worth much in the first place, and if colossus will get the chance to pound on him he will break his face and he hits hard enough to do just that based on his showings.
Originally posted by red sabre
you see now you went all lost in the discussion, we are not talking about their overall stats and feats, we are talking about their fight that you posted, when you look at the fight you mix the things you see with things you think should happen, thats why you always bring their overall feats and stats, i am talking only about the fight, and even by feats colossus still beat savage hulk something glads failed to do and he still beat sasquatch and thing that would all give glads a good fight anyway you look at it.so you basically think colossus cant hurt gladiator by pounding on him unless it will be for a long time? then i will ask you thins what does time have to do with anything? if gladiator is so durable to colossus punches to the point he wont get hurt in the first 5 to 10 punches why should he get hurt after a while? if he is that durable that colossus cant hurt him as you claim then colossus isnt suppose to hurt him no matter how many punches he throws because at those stats he is basically too durable for colossus, now seriously Pr i really rerally disagree, what did gladiator present to say that? gladiator goes down to any high herald when trading blows with them, went down on masterson, went down on thor, went down on hulk, went down on supreme, went down on black bolt, all this guy does is going down, it is clear as daylight he cant match them in durability so how can you say he is so durable to the point he wont even get hurt by colossus pounding on him? this is backed by nothing, canonball hurt him and yes it happened, gambit hurt him with a deck of explosive cards, his durability doesnt worth much in the first place, and if colossus will get the chance to pound on him he will break his face and he hits hard enough to do just that based on his showings.
i'm not lost at all. 😐 i've been talking about their overall feats from the start as part of the argument. and no, colossus didn't beat savage hulk. he briefly put him down, that's it. colossus has never beaten thing under his own power, and when thing fought gladiator, he got beaten very, very badly.
because gladiator would get weaker over time...
cannonball and gambit are low showings. using them is just trying to make gladiator look bad, tbh.
