Originally posted by -Pr-
...Serious?
It was a stalemate in any sense of the world. Even the narration tells that it was not them who decided the battle.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah totally. Maybe you didn't see your scan properly, gladiator and colossus were trading punches evenly which is said clearly on the narration as they were going all out. In the end gladiator was more durable and survived the building crashing on him and colossus got knocked out.It was a stalemate in any sense of the world. Even the narration tells that it was not them who decided the battle.
I'd appreciate a post without the patronising, if you don't mind.
What I am wondering though, is where it says anything about them being "even".
And also, how you account for Colossus' inability to hurt Gladiator.
So are you really going to tell me that Colossus, back then, is in the same bracket as people like Gladiator, Superman and Thor?
Originally posted by -Pr-
I'd appreciate a post without the patronising, if you don't mind.What I am wondering though, is where it says anything about them being "even".
And also, how you account for Colossus' inability to hurt Gladiator.
So are you really going to tell me that Colossus, back then, is in the same bracket as people like Gladiator, Superman and Thor?
The whole immovable object meeting irresistible force thing and the thing that they were shown as trading punches evenly.
Kallark was more durable, that's how.
Not at all. He can take shots from them at their average levels though at his best days. Just recently he flash koed savage hulk.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I wasn't patronizing. I'm sorry if I looked doing so.The whole immovable object meeting irresistible force thing and the thing that they were shown as trading punches evenly.
Kallark was more durable, that's how.
Not at all. He can take shots from them at their average levels though at his best days. Just recently he flash koed savage hulk.
I don't see where it makes them even, as that would require them to have equal strength. unless gladiator was holding back?
How much more durable?
yes, but ultimately was never going to win the fight. how is he going to contribute when gladiator has already taken his best shots and shrugged them off?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Here is the fight between Gladiator and Colossus:Notice how in the first scan, Gladiator strikes twice with no recourse. In the second, Gladiator takes a shot from the Colossus-wielded pillar with no bother, and is even SMILING when Colossus punches him in the gut. The building falling on Gladiator seems to do more damage than the actual punches (but then again, it could have been Colossus). Either way, at no point during the fight is Colossus shown to be a peer; just that he can take a punch.
i never said the three of them, I said Colossus and Thing. Namor, like i've been saying from the start, is the real threat here.
And TBH, guys like Thor, Hulk, Supreme and Black Bolt are way, WAY above the likes of Colossus and Thing.
you are wrong Pr, first of all notice how after those 2 blows colossus hits gladiator and gladiator hits colossus as well but non of them is really effected by the other, after that we see them punching each other and you got a colorful background of red explosion around them but once again they both hit each other but nobody is really effected, so basically the writer wanted to A portray a situation of non of them being able to effect each other which is just redicilous or B the writer wanted to show that they are evenly matched and were trading blows, you see things like that everytime, 2 characters take a swing at each other both hit each other and non of them seem to be effected, that does not mean nobody is feeling the other but it means they were evenly trading blows, you want to notice gladiator isnt showing any real damage signs? fine then same thing works for colossus as when they trade blows he doesnt seem to notice the punches either.
the narration itself stating that they were evenly matched, the scans show us both of them hitting each other with no effect and no real damage to the other, and finally it even state that its not them who decide the victor but the structure that fell on them, gladiator was the more durable eventually however in the scan you posted as far as trading hits they were evenly matched and eventually gladiator would have taken colossus but you are trying to present it as if colossus was nothing more than a bug to gladiator which is false and contredicts both what we see and what the narration tell us.
if colossus alone is able to go toe 2 toe with gladiator for a while and inflict damage on him those 3 will murder him.
guys like thor supreme and black bolt only physically are indeed superior to each of the trio but do you think they are superior to those 3 combined attacking them at once and delivering them 6 punches from all directions? i know gladiator cant take it for sure.
i don't think i'm wrong. shrug
so you think colossus and gladiator are evenly matched in general, then?
and no, colossus was actually getting knocked down/back by the punches. gladiator was not.
still don't get where this "even" thing is coming from. that would imply that both men were able to deliver equal amounts of force.
Originally posted by -Pr-
i don't think i'm wrong. shrugso you think colossus and gladiator are evenly matched in general, then?
and no, colossus was actually getting knocked down/back by the punches. gladiator was not.
still don't get where this "even" thing is coming from. that would imply that both men were able to deliver equal amounts of force.
but you are, the scans clearly shows them trading blows on an even scale, if colossus was punching gladiator and you had gladiator stand there and smile and then he would punch colossus and send him flying, then i would say ok Pr you are right colossus was able to hang with him only because of his durability, but you got the 2 of them standing their ground and punching each other trading blow for blow that clearly tell us along with the narration that at this point they were evenly matched.
no, gladiator is stronger and more durable than colossus, however as was presented in this fight it is clear that colossus can hang with gladiator for some time and trade blows with him, he will not get dismissed like some feeb by gladiator and that was my whole point to begin with that he gave gladiator a fight.
colossus was pushed back at first but if you look after that when he gets up they are punching each other and both are standing their ground, so its either non of them is able to effect the other, or the more reasonable thing is that they were evenly matched and punched each other until the structure collapsed and took colossus out (stupid i know but it is what it is).
look at it as 2 boxers trading blows, 1 boxer can be clearly more powerful however it doesnt mean he will beat the other with a single punch, the boxers can stand their ground and punch the crap out of each other until the weaker one gives up, colossus is the weaker one but he can and did put up a fight before going down.
eventually if colossus alone gives gladiator a good fight the 3 of them will destroy him.
Originally posted by red sabre
but you are, the scans clearly shows them trading blows on an even scale, if colossus was punching gladiator and you had gladiator stand there and smile and then he would punch colossus and send him flying, then i would say ok Pr you are right colossus was able to hang with him only because of his durability, but you got the 2 of them standing their ground and punching each other trading blow for blow that clearly tell us along with the narration that at this point they were evenly matched.no, gladiator is stronger and more durable than colossus, however as was presented in this fight it is clear that colossus can hang with gladiator for some time and trade blows with him, he will not get dismissed like some feeb by gladiator and that was my whole point to begin with that he gave gladiator a fight.
colossus was pushed back at first but if you look after that when he gets up they are punching each other and both are standing their ground, so its either non of them is able to effect the other, or the more reasonable thing is that they were evenly matched and punched each other until the structure collapsed and took colossus out (stupid i know but it is what it is).
look at it as 2 boxers trading blows, 1 boxer can be clearly more powerful however it doesnt mean he will beat the other with a single punch, the boxers can stand their ground and punch the crap out of each other until the weaker one gives up, colossus is the weaker one but he can and did put up a fight before going down.
eventually if colossus alone gives gladiator a good fight the 3 of them will destroy him.
I don't think I am, tbh. And I don't think it's clear, especially when you take in to account both men's feats.
i don't agree.
colossus did well, i'll give him that, but i still don't see how he's any real threat to gladiator at standard levels. it's not a good fight, though, if colossus isn't doing any damage, which is the issue here imo.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't think I am, tbh. And I don't think it's clear, especially when you take in to account both men's feats.i don't agree.
colossus did well, i'll give him that, but i still don't see how he's any real threat to gladiator at standard levels. it's not a good fight, though, if colossus isn't doing any damage, which is the issue here imo.
thats the problem Pr you look at those scans and your opinion is biased based on their stats and feats, so dont... just look at the fight as it is and you will see 2 guys trading blows at each other and eventually 1 is taken out by the collapsed structure, it is clear as daylight in this fight they were evenly matched, i already said that gladiator is stronger and more durable and eventually he would win anyway, however lets not take credit from colossus because the guy stood his ground and went toe 2 toe with gladiator just like both scans and narration show.
who said colossus cant do damage? do you honestly think that colossus pounding on gladiator cant hurt him? i can agree that gladiator is more durable and stronger than colossus, but to say the gap between them is that huge that colossus wont be able to harm gladiator is bullshit, their fight showed clearly that colossus was hurting glads as much as glads was hurting colossus thats why the both of them were standing still while trading blows, the writer wanted to present 2 guys fighting on an equel ground, if colossus thing and namor jump him take him to the ground and pound on him he will be dead and colossus has more than enough striking power to hurt gladiator
Originally posted by CosmicComet
that fight was terrible.why would a building falling take out colossus in the end when gladiator did not?
I remember thinking the same for a moment when I first read that story. Why would a few buildings do more damage? But then I thought the impact of the buildings was basically just a substitute for that final punch in a fight where one guy finally puts down another. Colossus was at that "last couple of punches" stage and the building just finished him, even though it wouldn't normally.
I did feel from that fight that Colossus was shown as outclassed. Glads was smiling while taking the punches and just appeared more uber. That's classic Glads, like so many characters he's been diluted since then, though the P5 showing was actually not bad.
Thing got absolutely wrecked by Gladiator, faster and worse than his Hulk fights. I honestly don't think he'd do much better these days. Namor would fight hard but I don't think he would fare much better.
I'd say classic Glads wrecks the team all out. In H2H he still wins if he is allowed his full speed. In a pure normal speed slugfest I still think he might be able to take it.
Originally posted by -Pr-👆
I don't think I am, tbh. And I don't think it's clear, especially when you take in to account both men's feats.i don't agree.
colossus did well, i'll give him that, but i still don't see how he's any real threat to gladiator at standard levels. it's not a good fight, though, if colossus isn't doing any damage, which is the issue here imo.
The team can make him work for it. But Gladiator should win in both scenarios.
They'd have to do something like grab Colossus and hammer him in the head to knock him out but I just don't see Namor fighting cooperatively. Even though Gladiator has never shirked from (and relishes) straight brawling, with Gladiator's various powers in play, the fight only gets worse. Heat vision vs Namor? Ouch.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Lol, stop lowballing. Things strength is nothing to Gladiator they have already fought, the only notable threat is Namor and while he has a decent record against top tiers, ultimately he is outclassed here.Gladiator gets no respect because he simply isn't as important as guys like Superman, Hulk, Thor etc, even though jobbing aside, his powers/abilities clearly put him in the high herald range. Compared to his peers he has very limited appearances which is why lacks he the depth of feats the other top heralds do, but he is certainly above the likes of classic Thing and Colossus.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Gladiator spite stomps. Seriously, he is a legitement planet buster no one on team two comes anywhere remotely close to that strength.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Yeah, Gladiator. With his speed (which he actually uses) he should be able to control the terms of combat in either scenario, and he certainly has the power to drop and of his opponents (not one shot, but with accumulated damage).
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
This is spite. The Glads hatred is silly. He wins in both scenarios. With Glads strength and powerset he should win a lot more than he does. marvel just lets him lose to show people how tough said new character is. Also Marvel makes him look like crap, because he is a Superman clone.
Originally posted by Glorificus
Those three are pretty much statues to Gladiator.I can't see any of them actually landing a hit on him IF he uses his speed.
👆 And I love Colossus. But Gladiator (even as suckily as he's often portrayed) is a legitimate cosmic threat.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't think I am, tbh. And I don't think it's clear, especially when you take in to account both men's feats.i don't agree.
colossus did well, i'll give him that, but i still don't see how he's any real threat to gladiator at standard levels. it's not a good fight, though, if colossus isn't doing any damage, which is the issue here imo.
It hurts to agree, but this. 👆
Originally posted by -Pr-That was impressive for Gladiator to no sell a shot like that.
. In the second, Gladiator takes a shot from the Colossus-wielded pillar with no bother, and is even SMILING when Colossus punches him in the gut.
Originally posted by -Pr-Colossus was pounding on Juggernaut pretty good back in the day and was also defeated the same way except a wall fell on him instead of a skycraper.The building falling on Gladiator seems to do more damage than the actual punches
Originally posted by red sabre
thats the problem Pr you look at those scans and your opinion is biased based on their stats and feats, so dont... just look at the fight as it is and you will see 2 guys trading blows at each other and eventually 1 is taken out by the collapsed structure, it is clear as daylight in this fight they were evenly matched, i already said that gladiator is stronger and more durable and eventually he would win anyway, however lets not take credit from colossus because the guy stood his ground and went toe 2 toe with gladiator just like both scans and narration show.who said colossus cant do damage? do you honestly think that colossus pounding on gladiator cant hurt him? i can agree that gladiator is more durable and stronger than colossus, but to say the gap between them is that huge that colossus wont be able to harm gladiator is bullshit, their fight showed clearly that colossus was hurting glads as much as glads was hurting colossus thats why the both of them were standing still while trading blows, the writer wanted to present 2 guys fighting on an equel ground, if colossus thing and namor jump him take him to the ground and pound on him he will be dead and colossus has more than enough striking power to hurt gladiator
I have to look at it from the view of stats and feats though, as that's the only clear way I can get an average for each character.
Tell you what: Let's take that fight out of the equation completely. Colossus Vs Gladiator. Tell me how that fight goes down. What feats of Colossus makes you think he's a threat to Gladiator?
