srankmissingnin
VP of Comic Knowledge
Originally posted by ODG
Right, and lost to a Tyrannosaurus and Deadpool... badly in the same time frame. He fluctuated enormously.
First he didn't lose to Deadpool, he got tricked into impaling himself on a pipe... then Deadpool teleported away because he only wanted Hulk's blood in the first place. Anyway the examples you have cited question the durability and stamina of Bannerless Hulk, but not his strength... which is what is germane to this particular conversation. Wolverine didn't beat up Bannerless Hulk, he meerly tanked a punch from him, and Bannerless Hulk was stated as being stronger than Savage Hulk.
Originally posted by ODG
Translation: "Waah waah waah. The comics I don't like, some spanning several years of continuity... I don't like and I am allowed to pretend they never happened! But you're nt allowed to like a Sam Keith mini where Wolverine looked good against Hulk even though Wolverine and Hulk get slapped around by a polar bear !!!!"
Yeah I'm reeeeeeeeeeeeeal butt hurt about it. It keeps me up at night. 🙄
As usual, you're the one throwing a temper tantrum, and have resorted to your typical straw manning like you do every time you can't formulate an actual rebuttal. Again - and I'm not sure how much clearer I can be lay this out for you - "liking" the issues at hand has nothing to do with what we are talking about, the forum rules are very clear on what his considered valid and appropriate.
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
AND
No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
I don't ignore anything because "I don't like it," my personal feelings on the quality of an arc or individual issue are completely irrelevant when determining the validity in using a particular example as evidence in a forum match. The rules that cover this issue - as posted above - are clearly stated and defined. High or low, if something is inconstant with the majority representation of a character, then it is irrelevant in these discussions. You my friend are the one who lets his personal feelings dictate what feats are and are not valid in order to facilitate your own confirmation bias, I am merely fallowing the rules as laid out by the forum Mods, rules that exist to create a single consistent portrait of a character for the sole purpose of debate. So we don't treat Thor being knocked out by a falling mast, and him tanking punches form Gladiator with equal objectivity because we can't. Without some extenuating circumstance there is no way to reconcile the conflicting portrayal in a singular ideation of a character... which is why we don't even bother trying.
The rules clearly specifies that a character operates at the best of their abilities, where as you are clearly low balling the character by basing your argument around bottom of the barrel PIS examples that don't fall in line with majority representation of the character. We have these rules for a reason Dumb, fallow them. Stop looking for examples that support your twisted idea of how things should be, and start formulating opinions based on that facts that are presented to you.
Originally posted by ODG
Do it now in the Battlezone forum. Five posts each. We'll pick judges afterwards or let a mod pick judges. I don't want you slinking away from this like so many others do.
Fine, the threads up. I'm not proving a negative, so make your point and then I'll counter it.
Originally posted by ODG
You don't need to write an essay to prove how stupid you are. Wolverine was a mysterious character. Like any mysterious character, they didn't reveal all his cards from the very beginning. You can't separate out the history from the character and pretend that all his feats that show extraordinary healing, feats that could not have been possible without extraordinary healing, his very nature as having adamantium completely bonded to every single bone in his body, as somehow not having a healing factor. This bs myth that Wolverine was some malformed amorphous character is nothing but bs. Per canon, he had a healing factor ever since his mutation kicked in. Per publishing, he had feats that show he has accelerated healing otherwise he would have died. Had there been a single statement where Wolverine or another character noted that Wolverine doesn't heal any better than a normal human, you'd have an argument. As it stands, you have no evidence that he positively had no healing factor.
Don't you don't know the difference between an essay, and a paragraph?
They didn't reveal the cards at the very begin because they didn't know what the cards were. He was supposed to be a teen-age Spider-man analogue with claws built into his gloves, then he was going to be a mutant Wolverine who just looked human by happenstance of his mutation, and then he became more or less the Wolverine we know. There wasn't a deliberate intent from the writer to hide the fact that Wolverine had a healing factor, the simply handed decided he had one yet. Originally Wolverine simply had animistic characteristics, and undefined level of invulnerability, and there was no need to specify what his powers were because it was originally intended that Wolverine would be killed off. This stuff is all well documented. They were still hinting at the fact that Logan wasn't even a mutant
Also... why on earth would a writer specify that a character doesn't have a healing factor? That's not how things work. Show me a line of dialogue that states that Foggy Nelson is not a Herald of Galactus! dur
Originally posted by ODG
Stop trying to pretend it never happened then. You have no on-panel evidence that he had no healing factor. You don't even have an editor's/ writer's interview saying he had no healing factor (even though per KMC forum rules, those are inadmissable). Wolverine wasn't nebulous, he wasn't ill-defined. He was a mutant, he had "powers," he was really strong, really fast, freakishly durable even though he could be occasionally ktfo, he had adamantium, he went into berserker rages, embarassed others in training sessions, he was a trained operative for the Canadian government, he said "bub," he was mysterious (in that there's-more-to-him-than-meets-the-eye type of way), he could survive being sent into lunar orbit by Jahf, shrug off being engulfed in flame, was noted to heal extremely fast, and was capable of fighting with the Hulk and Wendigo.
I've never said that didn't happen, I said they irrelevant to the discussion... because they are. Do to retcon's and 30 years of character development the feats carried out in the Claremont's Uncanny X-Men prior to 1981 are largely inconsequential and are applicable to any discussion involving the current iteration of the character. Even if we pretended that this fairy tale that you've spun was accurate there would still be 30 years of natural character evolution on top of all this, that would leave you espousing the merits of feats that are the equivalent of teenage Spider-man struggling with Kingpin in a contest of strength, pretending that those hold an sort ground in relationship to the current operation levels of the character.
Wolverine didn't have a healing factor prior to 1981.
Originally posted by ODG
Now you can stop with your 5-year old whining and crying about "NO! THAS NOTS FAIR!!!! WOLVERINE HAZZED NO POWERS BACK THEN, U NOT ALLOWED TO TALKS ABOUTS EM!!!!!" Every time Wolverine gets beat up by a street leveler, or anything less than an atom bomb, you make the same god damn excuse about his healing factor. And we're all tired of hearing about it.
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Christ you are butt hurt, you are acting so juvenile, its cute how easily you get frustrated.
As much as you'd like to pretend that the only Wolverine feats that matter are Punisher hitting Wolverine in the nuts with a baseball bat, and Daredevil punching him in the throat, that isn't how things work on this forum. The rules are clear as to what is and what is not considered applicable, and for whatever reason your sad confirmation bias prevents you from fallowing this rules. Wolverine's baseline average is FAR and above what Iron Fist is capable off, and for everyone of your sad sack low ball feats, I can cite a dozen more to support my stance. You've been a member of this site for a long time, stop pretending like you need someone to hold your hand and explain how things work to you.