Originally posted by psycho gundamYeah and they would suceed.
they will try 🙂
Originally posted by Nibedicus
The Big Bang was a chain reaction itself, so my part about chain reactions is kinda accurate. Didn't mention energy magnification, IIRC. Assigning random percentages is what you did, not me. :-pMy point is (and has always beeen) that the "feat" is a bad means of measuring his energy magnification powers as it is ambigious, unquantfiable and full of external variables. Nothing more, nothing less.
While you may claim I am speculating, I can do the same to you and both our claims are just as valid.
Just saying...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah and they would suceed.
No, it wasn't. It was released at once and their was no magnification involved. Like I said you are just speculating. Except my stance was based upon facts and how they were treated in EP.
Everyone disagree with your stance on the ft. Move on.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What is given that the alternate surfer was seen at the last page of SS 120 as how his new universe would flourish.
Yes and its narrated as how that universe would remained unknown for now and then were taken to the remaining page..
Now (take note), the ball of silver energy like a comet coming from the rift and zeroed in towards 616 Surfer.. It was even describe by Bill to be slow enough to dodge but somehow 616 Surfer just stayed still in a trance waiting for it to hit. What do you think was that Silvery comet??? or who???
Here's a scan of Surfer in the rift going back towards 616 Universe, just a hint.
Now i know there was no mention of merging but that should be self explanatory. Now if you even fallowed SS series after this arc, his exhibited powers and feat similar to that arc feat. Ie; merging, outrageous molecular self reconstruction, increase energy absorption capacity, etc..
Im taking it as that silver comet striking at surfer went inside him as there was a definite persona reaction, you can take it as what you will but thats my stance..
Originally posted by abhilegend
He also released the blackbodies. So you agree that his contribution was indeed significant, what is the problem then?.
Yes there is a significance in Supes contribution there but your taking that contribution to a whole lot higher level, a degree that equals to the character involved amp via parallax energy and might i mention spectres involvement as well. The methodss u used for that equation is way out of WHACK..
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone, however my opinion is as valid as anyone's and more based on facts than speculations. You think that superman wasn't treated as equal and contributed less than others, that's fine. But don't tell me that his contribution was totally insignificant as some people are suggesting.
Originally posted by carver9
Everyone disagree with your stance on the ft. Move on.
Originally posted by Ambient
Yes and its narrated as how that universe would remained unknown for now and then were taken to the remaining page..Now (take note), the ball of silver energy like a comet coming from the rift and zeroed in towards 616 Surfer.. It was even describe by Bill to be slow enough to dodge but somehow 616 Surfer just stayed still in a trance waiting for it to hit. What do you think was that Silvery comet??? or who???
Here's a scan of Surfer in the rift going back towards 616 Universe, just a hint.
Now i know there was no mention of merging but that should be self explanatory. Now if you even fallowed SS series after this arc, his exhibited powers and feat similar to that arc feat. Ie; merging, outrageous molecular self reconstruction, increase energy absorption capacity, etc..
Im taking it as that silver comet striking at surfer went inside him as there was a definite persona reaction, you can take it as what you will but thats my stance..
He never controlled any blackbodies, so i dont know what your talking there..
Yes there is a significance in Supes contribution there but your taking that contribution to a whole lot higher level, a degree that equals to the character involved amp via parallax energy and might i mention spectres involvement as well. The methodss u used for that equation is way out of WHACK..
More of speculation than facts actually, my thoughts..
The equal treatment in my opinion is purely based on Supes persona reputation but equal energy contribution to the bigbang feat, not a chance.. like i and u mention before the SPB's where amp via Parrallax energy with they're own, that alone should tell u thats more energy than mere solar. then there was Spectres biblical energy involvement, thats not = solar.. I dont know where ur getting equal energy contribution idea..
Yeah, people are using blackbody upgrade for a long time. Considering everything he did in unilord saga was after his upgrade with blackbodies, it becomes useless once it was shown that he no longer had blackbodies.
Yeah, more speculation. Like I said that all four of them were shown as the equals in energy projection after waverider asked them to fire their accumulative energies. In a comic if a group setting, if characters are shown as accumulating their powers, its equal among them unless specified. Considering both waverider and parallax confirmed that damage reached critical mass to create the big bang before spectre got involved, its safe to say that spectre didn't do much other than accelarate the process.
If we go by just solar energy rout than superman shouldn't even be there providing energy in the first place since it would've been less than insignificant. They also didn't absorb any significant portion of parallax's energy universe because it was the universe they were in. Like I said that even if he only contributed 10% of the power which would be rather unlikely, it would be better than anything other two have done in EP.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Your scans doesn't show that there was a merging, so like you are doing here with speculations I'm not going to buy that explanation since that alternate surfer was seen at the end of the comic in the unilord universe and not in 616 universe. It may be possible that his actions created another surfer who was able to cross unilord universe and merged with 616 surfer but that wasn't the unilord surfer. Nope, I followed his series to the end and I didn't notice any difference to surfer.
So u didn't notice any similarity feat on the Madrukk arc???? Funny cause both the Madrukk and Unilord feat can be pretty much exchangeable.. Lets see; merging - yes, surviving being in pieces - yes, massive energy projectile - yes etc. etc..
yah, people are using blackbody upgrade for a long time. Considering everything he did in unilord saga was after his upgrade with blackbodies, it becomes useless once it was shown that he no longer had blackbodies.
eah, more speculation. Like I said that all four of them were shown as the equals in energy projection after waverider asked them to fire their accumulative energies. In a comic if a group setting, if characters are shown as accumulating their powers, its equal among them unless specified.Considering both waverider and parallax confirmed that damage reached critical mass to create the big bang before spectre got involved, its safe to say that spectre didn't do much other than accelarate the process.
Accelerate the chain reaction proccess I gotcha.. lol
http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/9/92/Big_Bang_Zero_Hour_01.jpg
Thats Spectre pumping more energies to Damage..
If we go by just solar energy rout than superman shouldn't even be there providing energy in the first place since it would've been less than insignificant. They also didn't absorb any significant portion of parallax's energy universe because it was the universe they were in. Like I said that even if he only contributed 10% of the power which would be rather unlikely, it would be better than anything other two have done in EP.
So now you figure they really didnt absorb any significant amount of parrallax energies to fuel them??? You make a good story teller, you just make as you go..
Originally posted by Ambient
Fair enough.. I guess for slow people u need exact detailed word to a pretty much detailed depiction of an art.. 🙄
Right, that's why you need to be explained in detail a single feat. Pardon me if I'm not so fluent in one of the most convoluted arcs in comics history. Its not your fault though, I've seen many surfer fans and almost all of them are just like you.
So u didn't notice any similarity feat on the Madrukk arc???? Funny cause both the Madrukk and Unilord feat can be pretty much exchangeable.. Lets see; merging - yes, surviving being in pieces - yes, massive energy projectile - yes etc. etc..
You are talking about silver surfer v4 which I might say was quite different than silver surfer v3 where unilord saga happened. They are almost a decade apart and I'm surprised that you would find an arc where surfer with all his power failed to stop something which wasn't even real from destroying earth.
Im seriously thinking you havent read this arc.. he made no upgrade with the Unilords blackbodies what he did do when he was merge with the Watcher blackbody guard was copied its body's configuration, this is what the upgrade was.. blackbodies was never the source of his power.. 🙄
Doesn't matter anyway. It was not 616 surfer and it wasn't him who merged with unilord surfer. End of story, I don't want to read that awful story again just to prove you wrong. Its not worth the effort.
lol.. What? How can individuals have equal cap in energy projection when they're made and powered diff. by diff. source + some had outside amp via absorption of Parrallax energies? Cant you see a connection in there?
When a group of characters do something in a comic with roughly same power level, its assumed that they contributed evenly. Simple as that. Apparently the writer thought that all three of them absorbing parallax's energies made them on superman's level otherwise there is no reason for superman to contribute his energies there. You want to say that he was there because he is superman, go ahead but that doesn't make it true.
[B]Accelerate the chain reaction proccess I gotcha.. lolhttp://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/9/92/Big_Bang_Zero_Hour_01.jpg
Thats Spectre pumping more energies to Damage..
😂
To think that you call me slow, parallax was convinced that the power damage had was enough to create the big bang
If only you could read the scans! Oh and there is no chain reaction there, waverider just funneled the accumulative energies into damage.
I was differentiating about the energy source applied, some are more potent/abundant than others. for example Capt. Atom have near unlimited source of quantum energies as well as Darkstar and Spectre..
Cap doesn't have unlimited power source outside quantum field and neither does darkstar. Spectre only came into play when damage had already reached critical mass. Nice try though.
So now you figure they really didnt absorb any significant amount of parrallax energies to fuel them??? You make a good story teller, you just make as you go.. [/B]
They were absorbing the energies that made the universe they were standing in. They obviously hadn't absorbed enough when it was still pretty much intact. You can try to be able to read though, it is quite simple.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
this is such an illogical stance in a thread
Originally posted by golem370
Silver Surfer returning Metropolis to normal while Superman stood there and couldn't
