How to avoid child support?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
If you Get a random girl pregnant and she doesnt know your real name nor your address, she cant put you on child support can she?

Thats horrible if its true but children do not ask to be born they just are, stand up for your responsibilities is what I would tell him... be a man regardless whos to blame! There are too man dadless children out there ; I feel sorry for the kid really, he or she will never know what it feels like to have a father.

That's kind of ridiculous. The man shouldn't have to dedicate the next eighteen years of his life to supporting a child that he himself didn't even make.

Saying that the man should "step up" and take care of the kid in this situation would be the equivelent of saying that a Sperm Donor should pay child support to a woman who gets artificially inseminated by his sperm at the sperm bank.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If it had been an unwanted pregnancy you'd still be calling her a whore.

If the story is true, why should he have to pay for a child that he wouldn't actually be having had the woman not tampered with the condom without his consent?

Though... Yeah, story sounds like bullshit to me, Robtard has the right of it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Actually in retrospect you should have said "He didn't do anything so he can't get turned in for it."

That's going to be tough to sell. How can he claim he didn't do anything when she's preggo with his babuh?

Dude: "She put the spoot in her vag, maaaaan."

Judge: Uhuh. uhuh

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Its usually called "getting unexpectedly pregnant". There are no options following that which do not come with considerable social, economic, or psychological cost.

I thought an abortion was was an option.

I recently read the entry for all the negative effects of aborting on Conservapedia. 😐 So I suppose you're right but I don't know how 'for real' all those things listed on conservapedia are legit. But I did not think you were considering all of those things in the face of an easy "get out of jail" card: abortion.

But that's still not a system. I thought you were talking about something government. You got my "hopes" up. uhuh

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'd call it a system simply because the response is so often "she shouldn't have been a ****" more than "how do we help get her out of the situation as smoothly as possible?".

I see, now, why you called it a "system". However, that's not a system, imo. Also, your justification for why it is a system doesn't seem legit to me. Why can't she discretely get an abortion? She doesn't even have to tell her family or friends. Bam, abortion. No baggage.

Of course, from my moral community, an abortion is not an option for most pregnancies (medical necessities, rape, incest...those are givens). However, there is a massive social and financial system in place to help the gals especially in the absence of the father and/or parents. Most women do not have these options or support.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
In any event he'll probably never pay a penny unless he goes to see her again or something. I have family members who work with child services. Finding a father who doesn't want to be found is too difficult to be worth anyone's time for the very little money they can usually get from him (though maybe Big-C's cousin is loaded).

I agree.

Just wish there was a way, early in the pregnancy, for the man to sign a paper that says he did not want the child but she does...releasing him from his financial obligations. I have 0 problems with her keeping the kid...in fact, I respect women who do that (who can). But I do not respect or like the idea that a man is forced to take responsibility for something he shouldn't.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I thought an abortion was was an option.

I recently read the entry for all the negative effects of aborting on Conservapedia. 😐 So I suppose you're right but I don't know how 'for real' all those things listed on conservapedia are legit. But I did not think you were considering all of those things in the face of an easy "get out of jail" card: abortion.

Abortion rarely seems to come without psychological cost, even for people who do not believe there is anything morally wrong with it. And of course there are some very minor health risks involved.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I see, now, why you called it a "system". However, that's not a system, imo. Also, your justification for why it is a system doesn't seem legit to me.

Yeah, poor choice of words.

I think its fascinating that when you say "this boy should be punished for something that isn't his fault" that's apparently totally shocking but replace "boy" with "girl" and you'll get choruses of agreement for a huge portion of the country.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Just wish there was a way, early in the pregnancy, for the man to sign a paper that says he did not want the child but she does...releasing him from his financial obligations. I have 0 problems with her keeping the kid...in fact, I respect women who do that (who can).

I tend to agree, especially given that there is support in most of the country for her to follow up on her various options.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But I do not respect or like the idea that a man is forced to take responsibility for something he shouldn't.

Nor do I, I was being politically incorrect to see how people reacted 🙂

It is true that if a woman becomes pregnant against her will she is forced to take responsibility for what happened, no matter how good social support happens to be. Guys can (and often do) just walk away.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Abortion rarely seems to come without psychological cost, even for people who do not believe there is anything morally wrong with it. And of course there are some very minor health risks involved.

Yeah, that's part of what the conservapedia harped on. The health risks and the psychological effects of abortion. I am probably much more heartless about it since I will never get pregnant.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think its fascinating that when you say "this boy should be punished for something that isn't his fault" that's apparently totally shocking but replace "boy" with "girl" and you'll get choruses of agreement for a huge portion of the country.

I could be wrong...but...

wait for it!

...

That's sexism. 😄

"I brought up a similar point with my "buddies" about that. Dude gets it on with 10 chicks in less than a year: he's a stud.

Chick gets it on with 10 dudes in less than a year: she's a dirty filthy WHOORE! 😠 "

Why?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I tend to agree, especially given that there is support in most of the country for her to follow up on her various options.

BAM!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Nor do I, I was being politically incorrect to see how people reacted 🙂

It is true that if a woman becomes pregnant against her will she is forced to take responsibility for what happened, no matter how good social support happens to be. Guys can (and often do) just walk away.

Dead beat dads are lame. Sorry, they are. I hate to be so harsh as I am not familiar with every situation but I can hardly think of legit exceptions.

Originally posted by dadudemon

"I brought up a similar point with my "buddies" about that. Dude gets it on with 10 chicks in less than a year: he's a stud.

Chick gets it on with 10 dudes in less than a year: she's a dirty filthy WHOORE! 😠 "

A key that can unlock any lock is a super-efficient key . A lock on the other hand , which can get unlocked by any key , is a super-sh!tty lock . Understand ? 😉 💃

She inseminated herself from a condom she dug out of the trash?

I have nothing to add to this conversation. Just wanted to double check that she actually did that. What. The ****.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
That's kind of ridiculous. The man shouldn't have to dedicate the next eighteen years of his life to supporting a child that he himself didn't even make.

Saying that the man should "step up" and take care of the kid in this situation would be the equivelent of saying that a Sperm Donor should pay child support to a woman who gets artificially inseminated by his sperm at the sperm bank.

I agree this girl must be nuts to do such a thing but the child is half his wheather he likes it or not.. a child without a dad thats just not fair to the child. I think he could still be in the childs life without being with the girl?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
A key that can unlock any lock is a super-efficient key . A lock on the other hand , which can get unlocked by any key , is a super-sh!tty lock . Understand ? 😉 💃

I understand what you're trying to do: it just doesn't make sense since Secure System Controls have nothing at all to do with human genitalia.

A vagina should not be a lock. Nor should a penis be a key.

Originally posted by Tripple T
If you really don't want to pay child support, make sure they can't be found.

I know damn well that I wouldn't spend hundreds of dollars on a DNA test if some woman I've slept with accused me of being the father of her child in expectance of child support.

Now I can understand a court decision ruling for child support if the man chooses not to participate in a test that the woman is willing to pay for. But if she's just a one-night stand, then the man should have no obligations to put out as much as a dime for the test. It's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

I further believe that men should have the option to abort the child. If a woman disagrees with the man's decision and keeps the child regardless, then the man shouldn't have any obligations to pay for the child.

I'd take one step further and say that unless the woman have given the man the option to abort the child, he should have no obligation to pay child support.

I don't necessarily believe that a man should be obligated to pay for the abortion though, as he can't know whether or not the child is actually his. Of course if the man trusts the woman, and is willing to help her financially then he should be allowed to, obviously.

yes, because the cost of sexual intercourse should be prohibitively high for women, and non-existent for men.

Originally posted by Syren
She inseminated herself from a condom she dug out of the trash?

I have nothing to add to this conversation. Just wanted to double check that she actually did that. What. The ****.

Originally posted by Oliver North
yes, because the cost of sexual intercourse should be prohibitively high for women, and non-existent for men.

But any expectations on men paying for the abortion when the woman can't verify that he's the father are ridiculous, as they could easily be abused.

In the same breath though women will have the sole right to abort their child, men won't. Meaning that there are benefits for being a women, as there are benefits for being a man.

The reasonable conclusion is; unless you're with a willing future provider, then take the after-morning pill.

Originally posted by Astner
Once a woman can provide evidence that a child that grows in their womb belongs to a certain man prior to the birth of the child when it's still in a state where abortion is acceptable, then it would be reasonable to expect the man to partially pay for it.

But any expectations on men paying for the abortion when the woman can't verify that he's the father are ridiculous, as they could easily be abused.

In the same breath though women will have the sole right to abort their child, men won't. Meaning that there are benefits for being a women, as there are benefits for being a man.

The reasonable conclusion is; unless you're with a willing future provider, then take the after-morning pill.

you don't think that puts an unreasonable burden on women, whereas exempts any man from child rearing if they simply don't feel like it?

don't get me wrong, I think men get the short end of the current system in a lot of ways, and should have more rights over a fetus that they are expected to be responsible for, but I think them having abortion rights sort of goes too far.

though, yes, for sure, the man should bare no responsibility if there is a question if the child is his.

Originally posted by Astner
I further believe that men should have the option to abort the child. If a woman disagrees with the man's decision and keeps the child regardless, then the man shouldn't have any obligations to pay for the child.

If he has the option to abort the child but she has total veto power then he doesn't actually have the option to abort the child, just the right to say "I want you to have an abortion" which already exists.

Originally posted by Oliver North
you don't think that puts an unreasonable burden on women, whereas exempts any man from child rearing if they simply don't feel like it?

Originally posted by Oliver North
don't get me wrong, I think men get the short end of the current system in a lot of ways, and should have more rights over a fetus that they are expected to be responsible for, but I think them having abortion rights sort of goes too far.

The only answer to this is to make child support optional. In that case the woman will have to come to terms with that she can't afford to keep the child. And if she does, the man -- who didn't want the child -- would be financially unaffected by it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If he has the option to abort the child but she has total veto power then he doesn't actually have the option to abort the child, just the right to say "I want you to have an abortion" which already exists.

Originally posted by Astner
The only answer to this is to make child support optional. In that case the woman will have to come to terms with that she can't afford to keep the child. And if she does, the man -- who didn't want the child -- would be financially unaffected by it.

yes, thus putting a far higher cost on women for sexual activity than there is on men

I can bang who ever I want with no consideration, so long as I say "I don't want a kid", whereas a woman is now put in the position of having an abortion or having a child with no support.

Originally posted by Oliver North
yes, thus putting a far higher cost on women for sexual activity than there is on men

I can bang who ever I want with no consideration, so long as I say "I don't want a kid", whereas a woman is now put in the position of having an abortion or having a child with no support.

Yes, it's partially the man's fault as well, but until there's a method through which we can find out who the fetus' father is when it's still subject to abortion, you can't expect a man to pay for it. No man should have the legal responsibility to pay for the abortion of what may actually be another man's child.