How to avoid child support?

Originally posted by Astner
Yes. However, there are contraceptives, and so an unwanted pregnancy would mean that the woman didn't act responsibly to begin with.

Yes, it's partially the man's fault as well, but until there's a method through which we can find out who the fetus' father is when it's still subject to abortion, you can't expect a man to pay for it. No man should have the legal responsibility to pay for the abortion of what may actually be another man's child.

ok, but again, you are placing the responsibility for protection entirely on the woman. If I lie to her, if we both make a bad decision, if, if, if, if... It becomes entirely her problem that I can just walk away from.

I really don't see this as a fair system.

Originally posted by Oliver North
ok, but again, you are placing the responsibility for protection entirely on the woman. If I lie to her, if we both make a bad decision, if, if, if, if... It becomes entirely her problem that I can just walk away from.

Originally posted by Oliver North
I really don't see this as a fair system.

Once again it's innocent until proven guilty, and you can't prove that someone is the father of an unborn child.

That said I don't see expecting a woman to take the after-morning pill to be something unreasonable. Go to the pharmacy the day after and put down $10 for a pack, if you don't have one already. In fact you don't even have to hurry, as after-morning pills still works up to 120 hours -- five days -- after the intercourse.

Originally posted by Astner
This would only work until we find a way to identify the father of the fetus. In which case you as the father would pay half of the price of the identification of the fetus (assuming that it's yours) and half of the price of the abortion.

No. But there's no other reasonable option. A woman shouldn't be allowed to choose any man she's slept with during a certain period to pay for her abortion.

Once again it's innocent until proven guilty, and you can't prove that someone is the father of an unborn child.

That said I don't see expecting a woman to take the after-morning pill to be something unreasonable. Go to the pharmacy the day after and put down $10 for a pack, if you don't have one already. In fact you can you don't even have to hurry, as after-morning pills still works up to 120 hours -- five days -- after the intercourse.

I'm talking about child support, not an abortion...

You shouldn't just be able to opt out of taking care of a child you helped create.

Originally posted by Oliver North
I'm talking about child support, not an abortion...

You shouldn't just be able to opt out of taking care of a child you helped create.

Explain to me why you think it's right to be forced to pay child support in this situation.

because it places an unfair burden on the woman for what was a mutual decision.

How is the burden unfair?

Originally posted by Robtard
It's pretty convenient for the guy to say "she used my sperm from a discarded condom"; that's not something a woman would openly admit if she's trying to use a pregnancy to keep the man from leaving.

Story sounds BS, imo; for more than just that reason.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
If you Get a random girl pregnant and she doesnt know your real name nor your address, she cant put you on child support can she?

As with most crimes, you have to be caught to be punished, yes.

I guess you guys never had girlfirends where she didnt know your real names?
Where i live this is common, to avoid getting caught cheating.
None of my past girlfriends ever knew my real name nor meet my parents.

By the way she is 18, not a women in her late 20s or 30s.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
This thread was started by Big-C . In all likelihood , its another one of his wild stories . It shouldn't really be taken seriously .

Originally posted by Astner

I know damn well that I wouldn't spend hundreds of dollars on a DNA test if some woman I've slept with accused me of being the father of her child in expectance of child support.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I guess you guys never had girlfirends where she didnt know your real names?
Where i live this is common, to avoid getting caught cheating.

So your cousin is, explicitly, a cheating scumbag?

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
How is the burden unfair?

men can walk away from any pregnancy with no responsibility for the child, whereas the woman is put in a position where she needs to either abort or find a way to care for the child.

yes, its an unfairness due to biological reality, but I don't think we should set up a justice system that exploits the fact. Its almost like codifying this mentality:

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
A key that can unlock any lock is a super-efficient key . A lock on the other hand , which can get unlocked by any key , is a super-sh!tty lock.

Like I said before, I do think men need more rights in the situation where they do not want a child that a woman does, but the right to just entirely abdicate all responsibility to me is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I guess you guys never had girlfirends where she didnt know your real names?
Where i live this is common, to avoid getting caught cheating.
None of my past girlfriends ever knew my real name nor meet my parents.

By the way she is 18, not a women in her late 20s or 30s.

Good to know.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Its not bullshit,
Women have admitted to upright cheating on men before, so how is this bullshit?

If it's not an entirely fabricated story, the artificial insemination part likely is. ie Your cousin got some young girl pregnant and now he's he trying to avoid all responsibility; cos he's a cowardly loser.

Originally posted by Oliver North
you don't think that puts an unreasonable burden on women, whereas exempts any man from child rearing if they simply don't feel like it?

don't get me wrong, I think men get the short end of the current system in a lot of ways, and should have more rights over a fetus that they are expected to be responsible for, but I think them having abortion rights sort of goes too far.

though, yes, for sure, the man should bare no responsibility if there is a question if the child is his.

Based on this, I think you and Astner largely agree with each other.

He said the man should have the right to request an abortion but he still left the decision up to the woman, in the end. If she refused, then the financial burden would fall to her because she is the ultimate dictator of her body.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If he has the option to abort the child but she has total veto power then he doesn't actually have the option to abort the child, just the right to say "I want you to have an abortion" which already exists.

But Astner is adding an additional provision that if she refuses that demand, the man is now exempt from any obligations.

Originally posted by Oliver North
yes, thus putting a far higher cost on women for sexual activity than there is on men

The only thing I would change about Astner's perspective is making the man pay for the abortion if the child is his. I think the physical and psychological damage the woman undergoes pays her side of the deal.

If the man was the sex that carried the child, I would say the woman should pay for it. So don't mistake my perspective as misandrous.

Originally posted by Robtard
If it's not an entirely fabricated story, the artificial insemination part likely is. ie Your cousin got some young girl pregnant and now he's he trying to avoid all responsibility; cos he's a cowardly loser.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So your cousin is, explicitly, a cheating scumbag?

🙄

Originally posted by dadudemon
The only thing I would change about Astner's perspective is making the man pay for the abortion if the child is his.

If the man covers the price for the abortion he's exempt from having to pay child support.If he refuses to pay for the abortion, then he has to pay child support. If he offers to pay for it, and she refuses to get one, then he's exempt from having to pay for child support.

Some might argue that that's not fair because the cost for an abortion isn't nearly as much as the accumulative cost of child support over 18 years- that the abortion would still be the "cop-out" decision, but the specific amount of money paid isn't really the point, is it?