1. Joker, Bane's "plan" was actually Talias.
2. Talia/Bane, almost turned Gotham to ashes.
3. Joker, Waynes body is almost broken by TDKR, Joker turned the city against him (mostly).
4. Joker, mainly personality and psychologically.
5. Joker, one man against pure chaos = better story.
6. Joker, Bane was altered big time to fit the realism.
Originally posted by BloodRainHe feared order. He is directly opposed to it.
Facts :T And a proven one with the Joker. He doesn't fear loss. He doesn't fear capture from the law. He doesn't fear death.Why? Explain your points. Can you show me Joker be done in by order, or is this another guess?
I can't force you to see reason. How I have tried before.
Originally posted by quanchi112Yeah, no. If you think Joker would fall to fear due to 'order', not just Bane himself, then you'd have to prove it or we have nothing.
its theoretical like all these matchups who have never met.
If you ask me about Joker's fear I can point to scenes where he laughs in the face of extreme danger to prove that if this psychopath has fear is small and hard to come by.
Forgot to to this:
1. Bane. Joker was in it for the lulz
2. Bane but not by much. Small gap because I believe a large part of Bane's success was due to Batman's condition, that a TDK Batman would have sorted things out much sooner.
3. Joker by a bit. Death of his squeeze, corruption and death of Dent, having the city turn against him Vs beating and back breaking and mentally defeated.
4. Not sure.. As said with Bane's success coming from Bats condition.
5. Joker. With the whole opposites thing, tested him and got him to test his code.
6. Joker.
Originally posted by BloodRainI never said he feared death. Bane would break his spirit like he broke the Batman. New kind of über villain unlike Joker.
Yeah, no. If you think Joker would fall to fear due to 'order', not just Bane himself, then you'd have to prove it or we have nothing.If you ask me about Joker's fear I can point to scenes where he laughs in the face of extreme danger to prove that if this psychopath has fear is small and hard to come by.
Forgot to to this:
1. Bane. Joker was in it for the lulz
2. Bane but not by much. Small gap because I believe a large part of Bane's success was due to Batman's condition, that a TDK Batman would have sorted things out much sooner.
3. Joker by a bit. Death of his squeeze, corruption and death of Dent, having the city turn against him Vs beating and back breaking and mentally defeated.
4. Not sure.. As said with Bane's success coming from Bats condition.
5. Joker. With the whole opposites thing, tested him and got him to test his code.
6. Joker.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he feared death. Bane would break his spirit like he broke the Batman. New kind of über villain unlike Joker.
Joker would pop the champagne for the city being wrecked and wouldn't let himself get into physical confrontation like Bats did unless he had a plan, like the grenade belt. Though there's little to no reason he would approach Bane in this situation.
The only thing that was close to getting to him was when people didn't end up killing each other. Is Bane going to make sure people are safe and sound? 😐
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Bane was purely a physical threat only going after Bruce for petty revenge. And not even his own revenge.
Joker on the other hand was Batmans complete antithesis and was a threat to his very soul and sense of morality. The worst thing about him was that he was almost right, and arguably won in the end. As a villain he was truly on another level when compared to Bane, engaging Batman on the physical, logical, spiritual, moral and emotional levels all at once.
The Joker would screw things up big time for Bane. Bane would need to kill the Joker instantly to win. The problem would be the Joker would have bomb or something on him. Lets remember the grenade jacket. I honestly think the Joker win. Except in a fist fight. Bane would kill Joker, and the Joker would die happy because someone was this corrupt and evil.