Originally posted by inimalist
generally because it is done in substandard conditions without sterile medical tools.In a proper hospital it should leave no more real long term issues than male circumcision...
hold on... are you suggesting that because it might not present imminent danger to the child that either type of circumcision is not mutilating the kids genitals?
No, I addressed the "mutilation" title in the post before that.
Originally posted by TacDavey
So one is necessary to stay healthy and the other is merely helpful, like I said. Considering they are the same in the other key points, I would say that's in the same ball park.Then they are the same. So why is circumcision barbaric but this example is not? Unless you have only meant barbaric as in "outdated" this whole time, in which case this entire conversation has been a massive misunderstanding.
'Merely helpful", technically it could be, but you're essentially cutting off a part of another person's body sans their consent simply because as a parent you can't be bothered to teach your kid how to wash his junk and there's a chance he might get a urinary tract infection here and there if he doesn't wash, might; not "will get". So no, they're not even the same sport.
No, they're not; not sure how you came to that conclusion by what I said. And circumcision is both barbaric as in outdated and in the barbarism aspect, it's essentially genital mutilation, it's just accepted cos it's done so often.
Originally posted by inimalist
hold on... are you suggesting that because it might not present imminent danger to the child that either type of circumcision is not mutilating the kids genitals?
There are cases of babies getting infections after the circumcision as the chance is there for any open wound and there are the rare cases of the child losing part (the head) of the penis do to improper cutting technique or losing sensation in the penis.
Originally posted by Robtard
'Merely helpful", technically it could be, but you're essentially cutting off a part of another person's body sans their consent simply because as a parent you can't be bothered to teach your kid how to wash his junk and there's a chance he might get a urinary tract infection here and there if he doesn't wash, might; not "will get". So no, they're not even the same sport.No, they're not; not sure how you came to that conclusion by what I said. And circumcision is both barbaric as in outdated and in the barbarism aspect, it's essentially genital mutilation, it's just accepted cos it's done so often.
You even said they were the same.
Originally posted by Robtard
This would be little more than unneeded cosmetic surgery done against a person's will, as circumcision is.
You yourself even likened it to circumcision, so why is circumcision barbaric and this example is not?
Originally posted by TacDavey
You even said they were the same.You yourself even likened it to circumcision, so why is circumcision barbaric and this example is not?
I thought you were still comparing the wisdom-teeth.
My stance on your fetal-eye-color question is as noted "an invasion of a person", which circumcision is too. I'm not for it either, if you didn't get that from my initial response.
Here, since you can't be bothered to Google and take the "I don't know" stance, one of a hundred links on FGM: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2313097.html
Or the wiki, if you prefer it condensed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation
Is this not barbaric, if so why? If it is, why is it towards females, bot not males?
Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't think smacking her in the face when she protests is a "technique".
no my dear brother
Mu `awiyah bin Haidah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: I asked Messenger of Allah (PBUH):" What right can any wife demand of her husband? "He replied, "You should give her food when you eat, clothe her when you clothe yourself, not strike her on the face, and do not revile her or separate from her except in the house". [Abu Dawud].
Commentary:
If it comes to temporarily severing relation with a disobedient wife to set her right, it should be done within the house and the best course for it is that one suspends the practice of sleeping with her. Some people say that this suspension should be to the extent of sleeping with her only and one should not stop speaking to her because that will increase the rift between the two. But in case of special circumstances, one can separate from her by leaving his home, as was done by the Prophet (PBUH) by shifting to upper room of his house.
34/277 - Riyad Us-Saliheen (Gardens of the Righteous)
How to beat your wife youtube
Originally posted by eninn
no my dear brotherMu `awiyah bin Haidah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: I asked Messenger of Allah (PBUH):" What right can any wife demand of her husband? "He replied, "You should give her food when you eat, clothe her when you clothe yourself, not strike her on the face, and do not revile her or separate from her except in the house". [Abu Dawud].
Commentary:
If it comes to temporarily severing relation with a disobedient wife to set her right, it should be done within the house and the best course for it is that one suspends the practice of sleeping with her. Some people say that this suspension should be to the extent of sleeping with her only and one should not stop speaking to her because that will increase the rift between the two. But in case of special circumstances, one can separate from her by leaving his home, as was done by the Prophet (PBUH) by shifting to upper room of his house.
34/277 - Riyad Us-Saliheen (Gardens of the Righteous)How to beat your wife youtube
But can't you just punch her in other places? And not leaving traces of domestic abuse is just smart. Allah thinks ahead, Mike Tyson would approve.
i said
--Women hit Beating women have certain conditions
Condescension and arrogance of the husband and mistreatment
Women hit by tooth brushing your teeth
This is the mercy of God
Because tooth brushing is a small piece and very light wood
In the sense that women will not suffer at all
But
In other religions
I see women in a degrading tormented
Such as
Beatings with whips and iron tools and the use of fire
Women hit comes in the final stage completely
To see the greatness of Islamic legislation
Islam_ how to Beat Your Wife youtube
Usury-riba in islam
peace be upon you
-The definition of usury Language:
Interest in the language: is the increase. Allah said (92) And do not be like she who untwisted her spun thread after it was strong [by] taking your oaths as [means of] deceit between you because one community is more plentiful [in number or wealth] than another community. Allah only tries you thereby. And He will surely make clear to you on the Day of Resurrection that over which you used to differ ([Nahl: 92], ie, more numerous, said: Lord, if a thing is increased, and that is what the Almighty God: ) (276) Allah destroys interest and gives increase for charities. And Allah does not like every sinning disbeliever. .
-The definition of usury in Islam:
Usury in Islam is the increase in the specific things
Texts contained in the prohibition of usury:
Usury forbidden book and the Sunnah and scholarly consensus, which is a major sin, and the seven sins, not authorized to Almighty God in his book sinner war only consumes riba, and Asthalh has disbelieved - to deny evident tenet of religion - Visttab, but if he will be killed, but of dealing with riba is be it punk Msthla him.
The evidence for the prohibition of the book the words of the Almighty God (275) Those who consume interest cannot stand [on the Day of Resurrection] except as one stands who is being beaten by Satan into insanity. That is because they say, "Trade is [just] like interest." But Allah has permitted trade and has forbidden interest. So whoever has received an admonition from his Lord and desists may have what is past, and his affair rests with Allah. But whoever returns to [dealing in interest or usury] - those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide eternally therein. (Baqarah: 275].
The evidence for prohibition of usury of the year many conversations, including: what was narrated from Abu Hurayrah, may Allah be pleased with him from the Prophet peace be upon him said: «Sahih Al-Bukhari Narrated by Abu Huraira
The Prophet said, "Avoid the seven Great Destructive Sins." The people enquire, "O Allah` s Messenger (saws)! What are they? "He (saws) said:
"To join others in worship along with Allah,
to practice sorcery,
to kill the life which Allah has for bidden except for a just cause, (according to Islamic law),
to eat up riba (usury),
to eat up an orphan `s wealth,
to give back to the enemy and fleeing from the battlefield at the time of fighting,
and to accuse chaste women, who never even think of anything touching chastity and are good believers ».
Allaah has told to eat five of the usury penalties:
-One of them: confusion. . Allah said Those who consume interest cannot stand [on the Day of Resurrection] except as one stands who is being beaten by Satan into insanity (
-The second is right. . He says Allah destroys interest (and to be doom and eradication, and said: go and enjoy the pond so as not to benefit him, and his son after him.
-The third war. . Allah said And if you do not, then be informed of a war [against you] from Allah and His Messenger. (Baqarah: 279].
-IV: disbelief. . Allah said and give up what remains [due to you] of interest, if you should be believers. (Baqarah: 278] and the Almighty said, after mentioning usury And Allah does not like every sinning disbeliever. (Baqarah: 276] ie, Kfar Basthlal usury, usury eating licentious sinners.
-V: immortality in the fire he says But whoever returns to [dealing in interest or usury] - those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide eternally therein. (Baqarah: 275], as well as - the words of God (130) O you who have believed, do not consume usury, doubled and multiplied, but fear Allah that you may be successful. (Al-Imran: 130],
And His saying many times over (not to restrict forbidding it, but to take account of what they were a rebuke than usual to do so,
In the rule of riba, "which is forbidden book and the Sunnah and scholarly consensus
All that met the double, and weight, and taste of the same sex, masturbation, such as: land, barley, corn, rice, and millet.
With regard to the disappearance of the double, weight, bait and sex do not differ in which usury is the view of most of the scholars, such as cast, and cores.
... That Islam has placed a practical solution based on a combination of capital and the work is speculative, that represent the company between the owner of the money and the work so that the result will be for them to as agreed between them in the amount of the quota for any of them, in the case of profit, and that the loss in the event they occur attached to capital just as the worker loses his ... And thus the balance in the movement of money toward the profit out of work, and the movement to work towards a profit without capital ... Bears all of them provided by the loss side in case of loss, as each is a profit in the case of profit ...
-. - Massive intimidation as in the verse:
(275) Those who consume interest cannot stand [on the Day of Resurrection] except as one stands who is being beaten by Satan into insanity. That is because they say, "Trade is [just] like interest." But Allah has permitted trade and has forbidden interest. So whoever has received an admonition from his Lord and desists may have what is past, and his affair rests with Allah. But whoever returns to [dealing in interest or usury] - those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide eternally therein.
(276) Allah destroys interest and gives increase for charities. And Allah does not like every sinning disbeliever.
(277) Indeed, those who believe and do righteous deeds and establish prayer and give zak h will have their reward with their Lord, and there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.
(278) O you who have believed, fear Allah and give up what remains [due to you] of interest, if you should be believers.
(279) And if you do not, then be informed of a war [against you] from Allah and His Messenger. But if you repent, you may have your principal - [thus] you do no wrong, nor are you wronged. ((Baqarah: 275 -279].
Allah Says This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. (Table: 3],
Consumes riba is transmitted between him and the gates of goodness in most cases, do not lend the loan-Hassan, will not be considered insolvent, nor vent Alkrbh for distressed, because it is difficult for him to give money without the benefits of concrete, and between God virtue of helped believing slaves and the same their affliction, narrated that Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet peace be upon him, he said: «Abu Hurairah (May Allah bepleased with him) reported: The Prophet (PBUH) said," He who removes from a believer one of his difficulties of this world, Allah will remove one of his troubles on the Day of Resurrection; and he who finds relief for a hard-pressed person, Allah will make things easy for him on the Day of Resurrection ; he who covers up (the faults and sins) of a Muslim, Allah will cover up (his faults and sins) in this world and in the Hereafter. Allah supports His slave as long as the slave is supportive of his brother; and he who treads the path in search of knowledge, Allah makes that path easy, leading to Jannah for him; the people who assemble in one of the houses of Allah, reciting the Book of Allah, learning it and teaching, there descends upon them the tranquillity , and mercy covers them, the angels flock around them, and Allah mentions them in the presence of those near Him; and he who lags behind in doing good deeds, his noble lineage will not make him go ahead. "[Muslim]».
Ibn `Umar (May Allah bepleased with them) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said," A Muslim is a brother of (another) Muslim, he neither wrongs him nor does hand him over to one who does him wrong. If anyone fulfills his brothers needs, Allah will fulfill his needs; if one relieves a Muslim of his troubles, Allah will relieve his troubles on the Day of Resurrection; and if anyone covers up a Muslim (his sins), Allah will cover him up (his sins) on the Resurrection Day ". [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]. »
-Usury kills the human feelings of compassion, because Shylock does not hesitate in stripping the debtor of all his money on that when ability, Narrated Jarir bin Abdullah al Bajali (may Allah be
pleased with him) the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said,
"He who is not merciful to others, will not be treated mercifully."
Bukhari and Muslim.
-Usury cause enmity and hatred between individuals and groups, and the intersection occurs, sedition and drag people to engage in adventures they can not afford their results.
Usury has a moral and spiritual damage, because we do not find it but a man who deals in riba Mntava in the same avarice, and a narrow chest, and muzzle the heart, and slavery for money, and the scramble for material and so on qualities of vice.
-Usury and damage does not count, and enough to know that God does not prohibit all but the damage and purely evil or harm and Mvsdth more than good.
-The usury wealth from the poor to the rich, imagine someone who does not work, he wakes up at noon, because the money invested in the project interest-based and profit firm does not care about the descent of rain or not, does not care recession does not care about popularity, does not care about the nation's progress, Frbha fixed, so the most severe heart is the heart of Shylock or who invests his money through usury, because it is an opportunist does not care anything but himself. What began Zakat and charity and the prohibition of usury, but to spread money all people with justice and fairness Allah said
(7) And what Allah restored to His Messenger from the people of the towns - it is for Allah and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and orphans and the [stranded] traveler - so that it will not be a perpetual distribution among the rich from among you. And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty ([Hashr: 7],
that with the narrow gains and small business increased crime rate almost ten times, and the Western world is suffering the most serious suffering from unemployment, because of investment money through usury, Valemraba like vampire takes the blood of people and tired of their race and every effort is not enough to pay all that they have.
He came prohibition of usury, the text of the Qur'an in the words of the Prophet illiterate Secretary who does not speak of passion; it is from God Almighty, and this was confirmed today the products of civilization and the experiences of banks and the experiences of Alemralaken and traders; that riba cancerous disease must be eradicated from its roots to peoples live safely and prevail prosperity and ending unemployment and Yahya people to love and brotherhood and sense of responsibility towards others, until they give happiness and live in both realms of living does not deceive in compliance with the order of God's view) (123) [Allah] said, "Descend from Paradise - all, [your descendants] being enemies to one another. And if there should come to you guidance from Me - then whoever follows My guidance will neither go astray [in the world] nor suffer [in the Hereafter].
(124) And whoever turns away from My remembrance - indeed, he will have a depressed life, and We will gather him on the Day of Resurrection blind. "
(125) He will say, "My Lord, why have you raised me blind while I was [once] seeing?"
(126) [Allah] will say, "Thus did Our signs come to you, and you forgot them; and thus will you this Day be forgotten."
(127) And thus do We recompense he who transgressed and did not believe in the signs of his Lord. And the punishment of the Hereafter is more severe and more enduring.
(128) Then, has it not become clear to them how many generations We destroyed before them as they walk among their dwellings? Indeed in that are signs for those of intelligence. ([Taha: 123-128]
Originally posted by eninn
i said--Women hit Beating women have certain conditions
Condescension and arrogance of the husband and mistreatment
Women hit by tooth brushing your teethThis is the mercy of God
Because tooth brushing is a small piece and very light wood
In the sense that women will not suffer at all
But
In other religions
I see women in a degrading tormented
Such as
Beatings with whips and iron tools and the use of fireWomen hit comes in the final stage completely
To see the greatness of Islamic legislation
Islam_ how to Beat Your Wife youtube
Yes, we got it. In Islam it's okay to hit your wife, as long as you hit her using guidelines. There is nothing wrong with this as far as you're concerned though?
I'm sure sure if "well, other religions are doing it too" is a proper angle of reasoning.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, we got it. In Islam it's okay to hit your wife, as long as you hit her using guidelines. There is nothing wrong with this as far as you're concerned though?I'm sure sure if "well, other religions are doing it too" is a proper angle of reasoning.
I don't know which is worse, the fact that it is ok to beat women in Islam, or the fact that eninn doesn't realize that beating anyone is wrong.
Originally posted by Robtard
I thought you were still comparing the wisdom-teeth.My stance on your fetal-eye-color question is as noted "an invasion of a person", which circumcision is too. I'm not for it either, if you didn't get that from my initial response.
No, I got that. You did, however, note that the latter was not barbaric, yet the former was. My question being, why is one barbaric and the other not when they are both basically doing the same thing?
Originally posted by Robtard
Here, since you can't be bothered to Google and take the "I don't know" stance, one of a hundred links on FGM: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2313097.htmlOr the wiki, if you prefer it condensed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation
Is this not barbaric, if so why? If it is, why is it towards females, bot not males?
This is not even comparable to male circumcision I'm talking about. This practice seems to be done with broken glass, among other crude objects. In one case the entire genitalia is sealed shut. There is also an entire section about complications and potential problems this causes, when you yourself noted that male circumcision had very few negative repercussions. This is not even close to being the same thing. And this certainty isn't what I was talking about at any point in this discussion.
Originally posted by TacDavey
No, I got that. You did, however, note that the latter was not barbaric, yet the former was. My question being, why is one barbaric and the other not when they are both basically doing the same thing?
Cos I can't in good conscious call something that is high-tech and doesn't involve the whacking off of body parts for basically cosmetic purposes "barbaric."
Seems you're intent on defending that mutilation isn't "barbaric."
Originally posted by TacDavey
This is not even comparable to male circumcision I'm talking about. This practice seems to be done with broken glass, among other crude objects. In one case the entire genitalia is sealed shut. There is also an entire section about complications and potential problems this causes, when you yourself noted that male circumcision had very few negative repercussions. This is not even close to being the same thing. And this certainty isn't what I was talking about at any point in this discussion.
So as questioned above, if done is a nice clean hospital, the removal of say the labia and/or clitoral hood wouldn't be "barbaric" either. Odd.