Already covered why I can't in good conscious label genetic-changes as "barbaric" above or the previous page, go look if you forgot. Though I feel it's wrong to do just the same, as it's against a person's choice concerning their own body. Barring it's fixing some problem.
What benefits, you keep claiming there's some positives to circumcision when the only real positive is aesthetic, if you happen to like one look over the other? The foreskin is there for a reason; it's not vestigial.
Originally posted by Robtard
Already covered why I can't in good conscious label genetic-tampering as "barbaric" above or the previous page, go look if you forgot. Though I feel it's wrong to do, as it's against a person's choice concerning their own body.What benefits, you keep claiming there's some positives to circumcision when the only real positive is aesthetic, if you happen to like one look over the other? The foreskin is there for a reason; it's not vestigial.
I think the idea of vestigial parts of the body is wrong. The more we learn, the more we realize we were wrong. The foreskin is just another example of were we used to believe one thing about it, but we were wrong.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think the idea of vestigial parts of the body is wrong. The more we learn, the more we realize we were wrong. The foreskin is just another example of were we used to believe one thing about it, but we were wrong.
Yes and no. Wisdom-teeth are a good example. Back when people regularly lost half their teeth before the age of 25, having an extra-set of grinders coming in was helpful. Now that we generally keep the majority of our teeth into much older ages, wisdom-teeth coming in can and do often pose a medical problem. But as I said pages ago, wisdom-teeth removal is reactive in most cases; they cause a problem, they're removed.
The appendix may or may not be, though again, we don't go digging into our bodies and removing it until it poses a problem/threat.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes and no. Wisdom-teeth are a good example. Back when people regularly lost half their teeth before the age of 25, having an extra-set of grinders coming in was helpful. Now that we generally keep the majority of our teeth into much older ages, wisdom-teeth coming in can and do often pose a medical problem. But as I said pages ago, wisdom-teeth removal is reactive in most cases; they cause a problem, they're removed.The appendix may or may not be, though again, we don't go digging into our bodies and removing it until it poses a problem/threat.
It is best to do nothing until a problem presents its self. On that we agree.
I know there are some people born without wisdom-teeth. This would seem to suggest that wisdom-teeth are evolutionarily going away. Are there any men born without foreskin? I don't think so.
Originally posted by Robtard
Already covered why I can't in good conscious label genetic-changes as "barbaric" above or the previous page, go look if you forgot. Though I feel it's wrong to do just the same, as it's against a person's choice concerning their own body. Barring it's fixing some problem.
So, it isn't barbaric because it's high-tech? That's what makes something barbaric or not? If circumcision was done with a huge, high-tech lazer cannon it would stop being barbaric?
Or is it the act of removing something? Altering a child without their consent isn't barbaric unless something comes off? Even though altering their hair or eye color would likely have a much larger impact on their life than circumcision would.
Originally posted by Robtard
What benefits, you keep claiming there's some positives to circumcision when the only real positive is aesthetic, if you happen to like one look over the other? The foreskin is there for a reason; it's not vestigial.
It can help with personal hygiene. A perk that may not be all that important today, but a perk none the less.
Originally posted by TacDavey
So, it isn't barbaric because it's high-tech? That's what makes something barbaric or not? If circumcision was done with a huge, high-tech lazer cannon it would stop being barbaric?Or is it the act of removing something? Altering a child without their consent isn't barbaric unless something comes off? Even though altering their hair or eye color would likely have a much larger impact on their life than circumcision would.
It can help with personal hygiene. A perk that may not be all that important today, but a perk none the less.
LoL, go back and read instead of asking me questions I answered already. It's equally wrong, imo, as I have repeatedly said. Why you're so stuck on "barbaric" or not is beyond me.
How would eye/hair color have a bigger impact than circumcision? Circumcision has conceivably the higher risk of issues (infection,user error) until the genetic-changing comes into play as some norm.
So that's it? There's some possibility that in can help with hygiene. The lengths people go to protect some dogma that's been ground into their heads by society.
So tell me, what's the difference if a parent(s) wants to surgically remove their child's little toe? There are few negatives just like circumcision(possibly slight imbalance, but people who have lost toes get along fine) and in theory, if could potentially help with keeping one's feet clean, an area notorious with having bacteria.
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
The best people in the past and present
Is better than walking with his feet on the ground
God says in the Holy Qur'an
Praise of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
(159) So by mercy from Allah, [O Muammad], you were lenient with them. And if you had been rude [in speech] and harsh in heart, they would have disbanded from about you. So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult them in the matter. And when you have decided, then rely upon Allah. Indeed, Allah loves those who rely [upon Him].
(4) And indeed, you are of a great moral character
- Not steal - did not commit adultery - and never did not lie he called infidels and the polytheists (Sadiq the secretary)
- Maintain the trust and give it back to the owners of the infidels
Despite the attempt to kill him several times (on migration from Mecca to Medina)
- Has not seen false speech and never warned that a final warning
- An amnesty for all those who offended him (on the opening of Mecca)
- Very high morals
- Rahim in the treatment of non-Muslims and to provide advice and guidance to them
Although bad words from them and beyond the literature
- Did not drink the wine in his life
- Did not worship an idol ever
- Have not seen anything taboo
Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu'ba (may Allah be pleased with him):
The Prophet (peace be upon him) used to pray so much that his feet used to become edematous or swollen, and when he was asked as to why he prays so much, he would say,
"Shall I not be a thankful slave (to Allah)?"
Bukhari Volume 8, Book 76, Number 478
Narrated Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him
I heard Allah's Apostle saying.
"By Allah! I ask for forgiveness from Allah and turn to Him in repentance more than seventy times a day.
Bukhari Volume 8, Book 75, Number 319
Narrated Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him):
Allah's Apostle said:
For every prophet there is one (special invocation (that will not be rejected) with which he appeals (to Allah)
and I want to keep such an invocation for interceding
for my followers in the Hereafter.
Bukhari Volume 8, Book 75, Number 317e
[CENTER] [CENTER] Narrated Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him):
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said,
"There was no prophet among the prophets but was given miracles because of which people had security or had belief, but what I was given was the Divine Inspiration which Allah revealed to me. So I hope that my followers will be more than those of any other prophet on the Day of Resurrection. "
Volume 9, Book 92, Number 379
- Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
And a role model, just do not like everyone
In religion and worship, education, work, The moral and material transactions
-Whatever I wrote would not be able to reach an appropriate description of him
God says in the Holy Qur'an
(28) It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness
(21) There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often
62. Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve .
Interpretation of the verse mentioned: Those who believe in Muhammad peace be upon him,
And those (Jews) are believed Moses, peace be upon him, and died on that mission befor Jesus peace be upon him, or Adrkoh and believe in him,
And (Christians) are those who believe in Jesus peace be upon him, and died on it before realizing Muhammad peace be upon him or Adrkoh and believe in him,
And Alsabion): people who are followers of previous Prophets.
All of them are safe in God and the Last Day and the sincerity of the Prophet who was sent to him and he died on that reward with his Lord
Those who knew the Prophet peace be upon him but he refused his message did not believe in it is an infidel does not accept it other than Islam, and Islam is the religion of God who sent him all his prophets, and its meaning: surrender and obedience to God, His Messengers and ratification of all, he says ((19) Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Isla m) he says (85) And whoever desires other than Isl m as religion – never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers. he says (13) He has ordained for you of religion what He enjoined upon Noah and that which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what We enjoined upon Abraham and Moses and Jesus - to establish the religion and not be divided therein. Difficult for those who associate others with Allah is that to which you invite them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back [to Him] he says (132) And Abraham instructed his sons [to do the same] and [so did] Jacob, [saying], "O my sons, indeed Allah has chosen for you this religion, so do not die except while you are Muslims."
He said the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him "and that the soul of Muhammad in his hand; does not listen to me one of this nation a Jew or a Christian, then die not believe in Him who sent, but it was the people of Hell." Narrated by Muslim.
Hence it is known there is no contradiction between the verse in question, and the other verse ((19) Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam )