Originally posted by NemeBro
Superman can bench press the Earth for days, Goku strains to pick up 40 tons at base.Superman accidentally kills Goku.
Compared to Goku, Superman has way more shitty showings if you want to go down the lowballing route.
And Piccolo here is easily over 40 tons. That's only 23rd Budokai Goku too.
Originally posted by Supra
What point are you trying to make?
That you're wrong?
That whole 'fighter vs weightlifter' argument is complete bs in these situations. Sure, it might work irl where the lifter can pick up two or three times what the fighter can..
..while this is the lifter pressing, for days on end without fatigue and even asking for more, hundreds of quintillions times the greatest strength shown by the fighter.
Grab the irl person with the strongest punch and have him trade blows with a fictitious body-builder who can hold a tank above his head. Who'd win?
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Compared to Goku, Superman has way more shitty showings if you want to go down the lowballing route.And Piccolo here is easily over 40 tons. That's only 23rd Budokai Goku too.
That you're wrong?
Im wrong that your talking out your ass?
Originally posted by BloodRain
That whole 'fighter vs weightlifter' argument is complete bs in these situations. Sure, it might work irl where the lifter can pick up two or three times what the fighter can....while this is the lifter pressing, for days on end without fatigue and even asking for more, hundreds of quintillions times the greatest strength shown by the fighter.
Grab the irl person with the strongest punch and have him trade blows with a fictitious body-builder who can hold a tank above his head. Who'd win?
Or have him trade blows with a crane. 😄
And besides, Supermans a fighter too.. For some reason, some people act like he can't fight his way out of a paper bag, just because he hasn't had much formalized training. But the best training is experience, and in his history (In all his incarnations) he's had plenty, against varied opponents.
He's had to pretty much self train himself to not only fight effectively with his powers, but stand up against those that equal, or exceed his stats, and in some cases experience (And by hundreds, or in some cases thousands of years)
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Based on the fact that he's about as big as a large whale? And lifting strength really doesn't matter in a fight. It's like having a powerlifter fight a trained martial artist, the former would be able to lift more, but the latter would be able to throw stronger punches. Who'd win?
Exactly. Because going their route, Colossus lifting fts>>>>>Darkseid, Galactus, Odin, Thanos, Tyrant, and Zeus but I bet a single person in here wouldn't say Colossus is as strong as any of these characters. Their argument skills is half crazy.
Those listed are prime examples of powerscaling. For instance, we know Thor and other Class 100 Marvel characters are far stronger than Colossus with feats to prove so. We also know these characters, with continental to planetary strength, do not match up to the likes of Odin, Zeus or Galactus.
Can the same powerscaling work for DBZ? No, because they lack demonstrations of physical feats.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Those listed are prime examples of powerscaling. For instance, we know Thor and other Class 100 Marvel characters are far stronger than Colossus with feats to prove so. We also know these characters, with continental to planetary strength, do not match up to the likes of Odin, Zeus or Galactus.Can the same powerscaling work for DBZ? No, because they lack demonstrations of physical feats.
It doesn't work like that. If you are basing things off of fts, then that's exactly where we need to look. LT, a multiversal abstract doesn't have a single strength ft but it doesn't matter because we know he is stronger than an elite. Fts can only get you so far. Hulk has some of the best fts of strength in comics but I sure as hell won't say he is physically above Galactus. It all boils down to common sense. We know Goku as a child was a 100+ tonner, his physical stats kept increasing afterwards. There's no need for him to lift a mountain when we can clearly see the shockwaves from his punches destroying them as a side affect and I'm not even talking about Super Saiyan Goku either. With that said, no Herald is tanking punches that can level mountain, especially numerous of them in a blitzing fashion and I am still talking about Black hair Goku.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Those listed are prime examples of powerscaling. For instance, we know Thor and other Class 100 Marvel characters are far stronger than Colossus with feats to prove so. We also know these characters, with continental to planetary strength, do not match up to the likes of Odin, Zeus or Galactus.Can the same powerscaling work for DBZ? No, because they lack demonstrations of physical feats.
You don't have anything to powerscale from? How about Android 18 tanking future Trunks' sword slash, the same sword slash that a chopped up someone who literally tanked a planet exploding in his face? There are plenty of powerscaling that can be done in Dragon Ball. You're pretty much saying that we can't assume that Raditz could tank blows from 23rd Budokai Goku and Piccolo :/
Originally posted by BloodRain
That whole 'fighter vs weightlifter' argument is complete bs in these situations. Sure, it might work irl where the lifter can pick up two or three times what the fighter can....while this is the lifter pressing, for days on end without fatigue and even asking for more, hundreds of quintillions times the greatest strength shown by the fighter.
Grab the irl person with the strongest punch and have him trade blows with a fictitious body-builder who can hold a tank above his head. Who'd win?
Since you obviously don't disagree with powerscaling, go ahead and powerscale from 23rd Budokai Goku's strength, from Roshi's moon busting Kamehameha for destructive power, and Roshi's bullet catching feat for speed.
Originally posted by Supra
Im wrong that your talking out your ass?
What am I wrong about fam?
Originally posted by TheTyrantHe is not as big as a "large whale".
Based on the fact that he's about as big as a large whale? And lifting strength really doesn't matter in a fight. It's like having a powerlifter fight a trained martial artist, the former would be able to lift more, but the latter would be able to throw stronger punches. Who'd win?
Superman is strong enough to lift more than what Goku has ever physically destroyed. Oh, and this apparently isn't reboot Superman, looking at the OP, I guess?
If that is the case, Superman has cut moons in half physically, which is a better striking strength feat than anything in DBZ.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
You don't have anything to powerscale from? How about Android 18 tanking future Trunks' sword slash, the same sword slash that a chopped up someone who literally tanked a planet exploding in his face? There are plenty of powerscaling that can be done in Dragon Ball. You're pretty much saying that we can't assume that Raditz could tank blows from 23rd Budokai Goku and Piccolo :/Since you obviously don't disagree with powerscaling, go ahead and powerscale from 23rd Budokai Goku's strength, from Roshi's moon busting Kamehameha for destructive power, and Roshi's bullet catching feat for speed.
No one said any of the points are are arguing against. Don't be an idiot.
Originally posted by carver9A. Shut up, you're an idiot who has no place in this world.
It doesn't work like that. If you are basing things off of fts, then that's exactly where we need to look. LT, a multiversal abstract doesn't have a single strength ft but it doesn't matter because we know he is stronger than an elite. Fts can only get you so far. Hulk has some of the best fts of strength in comics but I sure as hell won't say he is physically above Galactus. It all boils down to common sense. We know Goku as a child was a 100+ tonner, his physical stats kept increasing afterwards. There's no need for him to lift a mountain when we can clearly see the shockwaves from his punches destroying them as a side affect and I'm not even talking about Super Saiyan Goku either. With that said, no Herald is tanking punches that can level mountain, especially numerous of them in a blitzing fashion and I am still talking about Black hair Goku.
B. No DBZ character has strength feats on par with Superman, this is a fact.
C. Superman could tank being between two planets exploding, or flying through a moon so fast that the moon is cut in half. He can take a mountain-busting punch.
D. Please, by all means, show me black hair Goku leveling a mountain through the shockwaves of his punches.
A. Point out where "punch" and "moon" showed up in the same sentence within my post.
B. Superman can fly. Superman can punch. Superman can do both at the same time. Superman simply flying tore a moon in half. Superman flying while also punching hits harder.
C. Goku has never destroyed that much with a single physical attack of any type.
D. Still waiting for that black haired Goku feat where he destroys an honest to God mountain with the shockwave of his punch.
@ NemeBro: I was gonna explain nearly the same thing about abstracts being stronger than Supe's and Hulk when they don't have feats, but TheTyrant beat me to the punch...
Anyway, Goku doesn't have many strength feats, because he doesn't need them. Goku lifted forty tons on a planet with 100 times gravity without using ki. Goku obviously didn't have a ki aura around him while doing it, and several DBZ characters have lifted HILARIOUSLY more than that on multiple occasions. Frieza lifted an entire MOUNTAIN, with just his telekinesis, and Goku easily ran through it, while also somehow cutting it in half.
Cell effortlessly lifted a planet busting meteor like it was nothing before destroying it with a simple blast. Not to mention that Cell destroyed a mountain with a simple ki blast that he wouldn't use against Goku because it was too weak, so he can presumably bust more than a mountain with a weak punch, and, using the same power Goku does, Goku can do the same, as he is on par with Cell. in SSJ1, and stronger than him in base during the Buu saga.
Two planets? Let's see Superman get beaten to pieces by Goku, cut in half, get his arm cut off, and then survive a multi-planet busting attack, before tanking a planet exploding on him. If he does, then we can establish him to have Frieza's level of durability. Frieza, who base Goku and Supreme Kia in the Buu saga were both at least a thousand times more powerful, i.e. durable, than. Goku as a child could destroy the moon with a single blast, with a power level of 150.
To add insult to injury, Goku lifted an 10 by 10 ft. block of metal with density near that of a black hole effortlessly with one hand in base, which would weigh roughly about 576,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons, or 576 octillion tons. Assuming he has the same strength in both arms, he can effortlessly lift 1,152,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons in base, or 1 nonillion 152 octillion tons. Mind you he can do this effortlessly, Superman gets killed with a slap from Goten's penis.
Tonnage is a measurement of mass.
40 tons on a planet with 100 times Earth's gravity isn't suddenly 4,000 tons, because if it were, it wouldn't be 40 tons at all.
40 tons is 40 tons. Were it heavier than that, it wouldn't be 40 tons.
Freeza did not lift a mountain with telekinesis in the manga.
Actually, a lot of your posts consist of filler arguments. Which I don't give a **** about.
Superman survived a blast equivalent to 50 supernovas, which is well beyond any DBZ character's output.
Also, base Goku is weaker than Freeza, apparently.
Goku didn't lift anything that heavy, you're a liar.
