Superman (current) vs. Goku

Scans of Superman surviving a 50 supernova blast. Last time I checked, it was an exaggerated 15(which even Screwattack admitted was impossible, because that amount of energy would have instantly produced enough luminosity to blind everyone within light years of it) and the blast didn't even destroy the moon. If you don't give a **** about filler, then I guess you also pit Goku against the Superman who was faster than a speeding bullet, stronger than a steaming locomotive, and smarter than a super computer from the 50's. Either way, Goten shits on Superman.

Goku did lift that much weight, as Katchin was stated in the Daizenshuu 7 to be nearly as dense as a black hole, and with the density of a black hole being 10 by 10 by 10 feet, which the cube was at least(also stated in the Daizenshuu, and able to understand as Goku was a little more than half as tall as it), it would weigh roughly 1 nonillion, 152 octillion tons. Don't call people liars because you don't comprehend simple mathematics and physics.

To be blunt, you can go **** yourself if you think I'm tracking down scans for anything when you haven't posted a single one, lol.

Also, impossible huh? Sort of like how something with the mass of a black hole not having its own gravitational pull would be, eh?

Only Superman's feats since the Golden Age are actually canon, unlike filler feats. Actually, since the OP specified which Superman is being used, for this thread post-crisis (But I guess pre New 52) Superman is more canon than the Golden Age, and you have to deal with it little boy.

Anyway, provide the Daizenshuu 7 scan. Not that it really matters, mind you, because it is blatantly contradicted by the 40 ton limit in the manga.

40 tons.

Toriyama wrote it.

Canon. 👆

Goku rape-stomps.

Originally posted by carver9
It doesn't work like that. If you are basing things off of fts, then that's exactly where we need to look. LT, a multiversal abstract doesn't have a single strength ft but it doesn't matter because we know he is stronger than an elite. Fts can only get you so far. Hulk has some of the best fts of strength in comics but I sure as hell won't say he is physically above Galactus. It all boils down to common sense. We know Goku as a child was a 100+ tonner, his physical stats kept increasing afterwards. There's no need for him to lift a mountain when we can clearly see the shockwaves from his punches destroying them as a side affect and I'm not even talking about Super Saiyan Goku either. With that said, no Herald is tanking punches that can level mountain, especially numerous of them in a blitzing fashion and I am still talking about Black hair Goku.

No, it actually does work like that. A strength feat is the character demonstrating their strength in some raw form. Colossus lifting a rock formation is his strength feat. Thor beating him down and pulling off one of his own greater feats, are both feats. Odin being routinely and constantly shown to arm wrestle Thor into a coma with his pinky? That is a feat. That is also basic common sense; The character far stronger than another will obviously share and best the latter's strength feats.

But look, you've even trying to prove his strength here. And what do we get? "we can clearly see the shockwaves from his punches destroying them as a side affect" Is this really the best Goku has? How on Earth does that compare to Superman's strength?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
You don't have anything to powerscale from? How about Android 18 tanking future Trunks' sword slash, the same sword slash that a chopped up someone who literally tanked a planet exploding in his face? There are plenty of powerscaling that can be done in Dragon Ball. You're pretty much saying that we can't assume that Raditz could tank blows from 23rd Budokai Goku and Piccolo :/

Its already constantly shown that characters can be be harmed by damage below overall ki durability. Unless the rocks thrown at Goku were near planetary, or Goku's teeth when biting Freeza's tail. There are no strength feats or strength DC showings apart from Multi-city block level.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Since you obviously don't disagree with powerscaling, go ahead and powerscale from 23rd Budokai Goku's strength, from Roshi's moon busting Kamehameha for destructive power, and Roshi's bullet catching feat for speed.

Originally posted by BloodRain
No, it actually does work like that. A strength feat is the character demonstrating their strength in some raw form. Colossus lifting a rock formation is his strength feat. Thor beating him down and pulling off one of his own greater feats, are both feats. Odin being routinely and constantly shown to arm wrestle Thor into a coma with his pinky? That is a feat. That is also basic common sense; The character far stronger than another will obviously share and best the latter's strength feats.

But look, you've even trying to prove his strength here. And what do we get? "we can clearly see the shockwaves from his punches destroying them as a side affect" Is this really the best Goku has? How on Earth does that compare to Superman's strength?

Comprehend the point, then. Because if you're seeing "lulz Radits gets pwnd by baby Piccolo ***** slap" then you did not grasp it.

Its already constantly shown that characters can be be harmed by damage below overall ki durability. Unless the rocks thrown at Goku were near planetary, or Goku's teeth when biting Freeza's tail. There are no strength feats or strength DC showings apart from Multi-city block level.

The powerscaling rule would just mean a stronger character is above those feats to an unspecified degree. Thats all.

Lol...so Spiderman beating Hulk is a strength ft? Wolverine beating Thing is a strength ft? Batman beating Grundy is a strength ft? I guess that means that these people are 100 tonners. Your logic fails...badly and power scaling doesn't work like that.

No, but if Wolverine actually physically overpowered Thing, that would be a strength feat. Odin can easily, casually overpower Thor, and has done so. That is a strength feat.

Your strawman arguments have no power here. Go away.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, but if Wolverine actually physically overpowered Thing, that would be a strength feat. Odin can easily, casually overpower Thor, and has done so. That is a strength feat.

Your strawman arguments have no power here. Go away.

So you have scans of Galactus overpowering Class 100s? Lol...and Spiderman has physically trashed class 100's.

Originally posted by carver9
So you have scans of Galactus overpowering Class 100s? Lol...and Spiderman has physically trashed class 100's.

But since you asked:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/stormbreaker0122cw5.jpg

Crushes Beta Rill Bill with a single double-handed slap, and casually.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/007-SSv375.jpg

Ditto Surfer.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/thor161178be.jpg

Manhandling Thor.

I'll be honest: I follow Marvel even less than I do DC, because I more or less don't give a **** about Marvel, but this shit isn't even that hard to find in the age of the internet. And more than that, your stupid analogy is garbage because it ignores that we know for a fact that Galactus is, by Marvel canon, several tiers above class 100s like Thor, who can devastate the surface of planets with the force of his blows (God of Thunder), so he can get by powerscaling off Thor and other guys.

Goku isn't a Marvel character, or a DC character. He's never by canon fought anyone from those universes. He doesn't get to use powerscaling from anyone but the people in his own series, whose strength feats frankly suck, compared to what Superman has collected.

And really, why don't you be a dear and show me those scans where black hair Goku destroys mountains with the shockwaves of his blows, huh?

As for Spiderman, which class 100s eh?

Because he's also been entirely ineffectual against class 100s, like when he fought Hercules and damn near broke his fist on the demigod's chin.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He is not as big as a "large whale".

Superman is strong enough to lift more than what Goku has ever physically destroyed. Oh, and this apparently isn't reboot Superman, looking at the OP, I guess?

If that is the case, Superman has cut moons in half physically, which is a better striking strength feat than anything in DBZ.

Then how big would you say Piccolo was? And how heavy? Anyways, I'll give physical strength and intelligence to Superman. Though fighting skill, combat speed, as well as destructive capacity are all Goku's, imo. Versatility is a toss-up depending on how they fight and CIS. And do you guys use different types of durability? Like being able to tank physical blows vs being able to tank blasts? Or do you consider them to be the same thing?

By the way, Odin isn't listed as a class 100 character. Without looking back, he's class 75 or so.

Being stronger than Thor makes him Class 100+, easy.

Sticking to the combat speed thing?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Then how big would you say Piccolo was? And how heavy? Anyways, I'll give physical strength and intelligence to Superman. Though fighting skill, combat speed, as well as destructive capacity are all Goku's, imo. Versatility is a toss-up depending on how they fight and CIS. And do you guys use different types of durability? Like being able to tank physical blows vs being able to tank blasts? Or do you consider them to be the same thing?

By the way, Odin isn't listed as a class 100 character. Without looking back, he's class 75 or so.

Heavy?

Even at just shy of sixty feet tall, using the square cube law, the 255 pound Piccolo would "only" be 65.8 tons.

Combat speed? Neh. Destructive capacity is Goku's though.

I personally take into account varying durabilities. Superman's showings are typically similar no matter the type of energy unless it is one of his weaknesses, but Goku's resistance to physical trauma is less than his resistance to ki.

Originally posted by dvampire

Goku can't survive the tempatures of lava.

Goku can survive in lava, I'm pretty damn sure he fell into in when Namek was being destroyed after he fought freeza.

Originally posted by dvampire
Superman has to very leathal attacks, one being able to freeze you to death. There's no coming back and Goku can't regenerate dead cells, which is what will happen if he freezes Goku. Fight is over.

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And this makes any sense?

Originally posted by Supra
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And this makes any sense?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Unless the rocks thrown at Goku were near planetary,

or Goku's teeth when biting Freeza's tail.

They're two people around the same league in terms of strength. Not sure what you're implying here.

There are no strength feats or strength DC showings apart from Multi-city block level.

Attack potency =/= area of effect damage. Like how Frieza survived the explosion of a planet (this was an actual explosion, no ki was here for that split durability argument), but was chopped to pieces by Trunks' sword. Meaning that Trunks' hits pack more power than a planetary explosion, thus meaning that via powerscaling and not downplaying, Dragon Ball characters possess DC strength far above multi-city block level. To further reiterate the difference between attack potency and area of effect, think of how characters who make planet busters look like ants are hurt by blasts that barely destroy a mountain range. That is all attack potency and the DBZ characters are able to concentrate their ki in tiny blasts in order to minimize the damage dealt to their surroundings. It's that simple and it makes sense by very logical powerscaling.

High end mid-tier Dragon Ball characters (like ssj2 characters, Super Perfect Cell, etc) have at least multi-planet level durability, destructive capacity, and are also massively faster than light in combat. Tell me how those are such bad stats that a herald level character can "stomp" them.