Originally posted by abhilegend
He was flung away by his own speed used by overlord drive. Do you know what FORCED means?
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I am not sure what you're trying to prove here. How can he be travelling with his own speed, under his own power, if he was flung away by an external force(the overlord drive)? And how do you know that Superman wasn't simply caught up in the ships impending warp?
Because it was explained that the ships would be propelled in different directions to each other. No two ships or beings would travel together.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He wasn't flung away by overlord drive since it did no such thing. It only stimulated the already existing hyperspeed of a being to propel it across the universe.Because it was explained that the ships would be propelled in different directions to each other. No two ships or beings would travel together.
It was also explained that Superman was caught up in the space warp, as shown by Nibedicus' scans. I am sure though that you'll manage to manufacture a precedent for that not being the case.
While I'm pretty much done with this debate as I feel like I've conclusively proven my point, I'd like to quote at what point the debate (based on the two debated interpretations of the scan) is at this time so that you guys can avoid repeating the same debating points that me and abhi had and actually move this forward (if you wish to):
Originally posted by Nibedicus
So basically what you're saying is that you're going to use one vague scan where a KOd Superman could or could not have been in transit surrounded by vague and unexplained fiery balls of light that could or could not have been ships as proof that the ships and Superman were tossed 1 billion light years away THEN went back 400k light years with him to deposit him near Arisia THEN flew away a billion light years away again?And that this "proof" (and I use that term losoely) somehow proves that Superman can attain the travel speeds required to very quickly cover 1 billion light years even though 1) he was KOd the whole time 2) it was a result of Hawkman's activation of the Overlord drive effect?
All the while claiming that I "provided no proof and all opinions" even though I've cited actual quotes, panel artwork, page numbers and issue numbers and you're saying that my simple interpretation of: "The overlord drive, being triggered by Hawkman prematurely, sucked Superman in its wake, depositing him 400k light years away unconscious for Arisia to find and rescue" (w/c makes this a speed "non-feat" for Superman and should not be used in these boards) is bogus?
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
First you claim that it flung him, now you say it didn't. Make up your mind as to what exactly did it do.It was also explained that Superman was caught up in the space warp, as shown by Nibedicus' scans. I am sure though that you'll manage to manufacture a precedent for that not being the case.
That's what superman thought what happened to him. Not likely since he was unconscious at the time.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It did fling him, by using his own speed. Do you have problem reading two sentences together?That's what superman thought what happened to him. Not likely since he was unconscious at the time.
That's what the on-panel evidence tells us happened. How do you know that Superman's then non-existent hyperspeed functions the same way as a hyperdrive engine, and why is it so unlikely that Superman was simply caught up in the space warp, as he himself admits?
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I have a problem reading a sentence filled with contradiction. If it flung him, then he couldn't have traveled under his own speed.That's what the on-panel evidence tells us happened. How do you know that Superman's then non-existent hyperspeed functions the same way as a hyperdrive engine, and why is it so unlikely that Superman was simply caught up in the space warp, as he himself admits?
Non existent hyperspeed? LOLWUT? Because there was no space warp, simply.
Originally posted by tijay
this is still going on seriously? Geez Abhi take a chill pill and just give us some other speed feats
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why not when hawkman explicitly stated so?Non existent hyperspeed? LOLWUT? Because there was no space warp, simply.
Apparently there was, since that is how hyperspace-based ftl machinery works in comics/fiction in general.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Hawkman also theorized that he wouldn't be affected by it.Apparently there was, since that is how hyperspace-based ftl machinery works in comics/fiction in general.
Not according to that comic though.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Since he thought he was human and doesn't have the capacity for hyperspeed. Superman himself didn't know that he was kryptonian at that time and could go in hyperspeed.Not according to that comic though.
Even though it is the comic itself which makes it clear that Superman was caught in the space warp?
Anyways, if Nibedicus couldn't convince you, then I doubt I will. Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.