Best travelling speed feats

Started by abhilegend55 pages
abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I went ahead and just bought the damned digital comic myself (Action comics # 589)

DUDE, seriously, STOP.

Good for you.

As mentioned in the bottom narrative box of the last page of Action comics 588:

The events that happen below (Action comics 589) happened immediately after Superman got tossed in Action comics 588.

To be continued doesn't mean immediately.

This is page 1, Action comics# 589

Page 2

I know. I posted them.

There was never a page that mentioned even once that Superman jumped or flew ANYWHERE or even regained consciousness prior to the pages above. Unless you can provide an exact scan where he did, then it's a fact that he got tossed by the overlord drive maneuver and Arisia found him right after and picked him up.
It was explicitly stated that the overlord drive only affected those ships which had a hyperdrive. Hawkman even states that it wouldn't affect superman since he doesn't have the capacity to go in hyperspace. I mean would you just read the scans I posted?

She felt the overlord drive because, well, it tossed Superman and deposited him near her. Kinda common sense.

No, she felt it because several ships fired their hyperdrive again. Explained by Katma Tui here

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16055592/Action_Comics_589_-_06.jpg.html

Read scans carefully next time.

Where was it ever mentioned that the overlord drive was used again? It's plainly written and explained that it was that ONE overlord drive use that flung Superman, hell, from the text:

"I think I can guess the effect Arisia monitored just before she spotted Superman sounds a lot like what would happen if a number of overlapping starship hyperdrives were fired simultaneously."

Which happened again since the ships fired their hyperdrive before. Why would they fire their hyperdrive again if not for overlord being used again?

As what happened here in issue 588:

Exactly what I said. They fired their hyperdrive systems once before.

And with what Superman said:

"Just before I lost consciousness, the hawks signaled me to get back to their ship."

He was unconscious the WHOLE time til they woke him up in pages 4-5 in that same issue.

I never denied that. The overlord system forced his hyperspeed twice to jump. That's the whole point.

So, unless you have some secret issue that happened in between 588 and 589 where Superman woke up a billion light years away, used the overlord drive maneuver again, knocked himself out and appeared in front of Arisia and unless you can provide the scans, title and issue number of said comic then NONE of what you said happened the way it did.
I am baffled at how someone can twist so easy words in such a complicated manner. Let me tell you what happened, Hawkman used a procedure which he CLEARLY stated that would force any hyperdrive system to flung one billion lightyears in which superman was affected too, the ship and he while unconscious were flung across universe and were clearly seen in normal space, arisia saw another overlord effect which deposited superman while the other ships fired again to be flung across the universe. Now what was so difficult about it?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by deathlife
I've read those pages and there's no mention of Superman being flung away because of his own speed.

None at all.

Superman didn't travel the light years under his own speed. He was even knocked out.

The scans actually make that quite clear.


Maybe you should read more carefully then as Overlord drive only affected hyperspeed organisms. So if superman was flung away, it was due to his own speed not due to some unknown mechanism or due to ships.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
@Abhi: Where is it mentioned in any of the scans either you or Nib have provided, that Superman flew a "billion lightyears"?

Heck, just show me the panel where the term "billion lightyears" is even mentioned.


It was specifically mentioned by hawkman that anybody affected by overlord drive would be flung 1 billion lightyears by it. Here is the scan

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=ActionComics588-20.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sooner or later people are just going to ignore Abhil. Let's just assume that anything he posts is misconstrued.

Why are you assuming they flew linearly from all the sectors? That's like trying to get across a track field and instead of walking straight through, doing a lap around. It makes no sense.

And based on what evidence was the wall near Oa?


Lawlz.

Because even if we assume that they travel through the map you posted, they still have to travel at least 3/4th of the radius of universe.

If they were trying to make their last stand, it wouldn't be in the middle of nowhere.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Also lawlz @ surfer sycophants taking potshot from behind ignore lists.

Nibedicus Gaming addict

Originally posted by abhilegend
Good for you.

To be continued doesn't mean immediately.

I know. I posted them. [

Then I bet you have a copy of the page/issue that followed immediately that clearly explains your account?

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was explicitly stated that the overlord drive only affected those ships which had a hyperdrive. Hawkman even states that it wouldn't affect superman since he doesn't have the capacity to go in hyperspace. I mean would you just read the scans I posted?

"At least that's the theory"

Meaning they weren't sure.

"So I was caught in the space warp, too."

Dude, it's explained here, clear as day. Superman was caught in the very same space warp that Hawkman thought wouldn't affect him.

"Just before I lost consciousness, the hawks had signaled me to get back to their ship."

He was also KOd as soon as they triggered the maneuver. So none of this happened while he was conscious. None of this happened under his own power.

I don't know where you're getting any of this interpretation of yours at all. It's mind boggling.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, she felt it because several ships fired their hyperdrive again. Explained by Katma Tui here

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16055592/Action_Comics_589_-_06.jpg.html

Yes, she felt the effects of the overlord maneuver (the rip in space that is the aftereffect of anything exiting hyperspace) as it deposited Superman in front of her. I don't see how it helps your argument, tho.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Read scans carefully next time.

Actually, I did. You'll need to point out specific quotes that prove your point instead of just posting a scan and then stating your interpretation of it w/o providing supporting texts that explicitly points to it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Which happened again since the ships fired their hyperdrive before. Why would they fire their hyperdrive again if not for overlord being used again?

They didn't fire it again, at least not around Superman. It was never said mentioned by narrative or text that they fired the overlord drive again around Superman.

The entire page that you keep pointing to "them firing the overlord drive again" is just simply a page where the Lanterns explain to Superman what just happened to him after they warp him back to Earth. That's it. No second firing of the drive.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Exactly what I said. They fired their hyperdrive systems once before.

I never denied that. The overlord system forced his hyperspeed twice to jump. That's the whole point.

Hawkman/Hawkgirl fired the overlord drive once in the presence of the fleet to fling the fleet away from Earth.

No it didn't. At no time was it ever mentioned in the comic that:
1) Superman was flung under his own power.
2) That this elusive "second jump" ever existed, was mentioned or was ever alluded to.
3) That this elusive "second firing of the overlord effect" ever happened, was ever mentioned or ever alluded to in either comic (588 and 589).

Prove me wrong. Type in quotes from the comic that disproves any of the above statements.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I am baffled at how someone can twist so easy words in such a complicated manner. Let me tell you what happened, Hawkman used a procedure which he CLEARLY stated that would force any hyperdrive system to flung one billion lightyears in which superman was affected too, the ship and he while unconscious were flung across universe and were clearly seen in normal space, arisia saw another overlord effect which deposited superman while the other ships fired again to be flung across the universe. Now what was so difficult about it?

1) Actually the overlord drive "is a force firing of a ship's hyperdrive engine". And only ships WITH a hyperdrive engine are flung a billion light years away.

2) The overlord effect is CLEARLY stated to fling ships far beyond their normal speeds as evidenced by and I quote:

"Even with hyperdrive, it would take millions of years to get back to Earth"

Meaning any speeds achieved via the overlord drive is clearly stated on-panel as being far beyond the normal speeds (w/o a special one-time usable maneuver w/in special circumstances) of anything caught in it. Thus you can't even use this as a speed "feat" for the Thanaggarian ships much less Superman who was just caught in the effect.

3) No, what Arisia saw was the actual overlord effect the actual rip in space that deposited Superman in her vicinity. There were no ships. There was no "firing again to be flung across the universe". I'm flabbergasted on how you even came to that conclusion.

And I quote:

"Some... Some kind of rip in space!"

And make up your mind. First you state:

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was explicitly stated that the overlord drive only affected those ships which had a hyperdrive. Hawkman even states that it wouldn't affect superman since he doesn't have the capacity to go in hyperspace.?

Then you say:

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hawkman used a procedure which he CLEARLY stated that would force any hyperdrive system to flung one billion lightyears in which superman was affected too

It either affected him or it didn't. Make up your mind.

Plus:

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because they didn't get hit by the overlord effect as it was stated while superman was affected and he was flung across the universe a billion lightyears away.
Originally posted by abhilegend
arisia saw another overlord effect which deposited superman while the other ships fired again to be flung across the universe.

First you say Superman was flung a billion light years away, now you're saying that he was deposited in front of Arisia, who was only 400k light years away, THEN the ships jumped again?? I mean COME ON!

I mean seriously, man. With all respect. Just. Stop.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lawlz.

Because even if we assume that they travel through the map you posted, they still have to travel at least 3/4th of the radius of universe.

If they were trying to make their last stand, it wouldn't be in the middle of nowhere.

What? How does that even make sense? Did you even look at how the Sectors are divided?

So nothing right? Lol, I don't even know why I thought you had some support for your stance.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Then I bet you have a copy of the page/issue that followed immediately that clearly explains your account?

Doesn't need them.

"At least that's the theory"

About overlord drive not affecting superman. Clearly they were wrong.

Meaning they weren't sure.
Exactly.

"So I was caught in the space warp, too."

Dude, it's explained here, [b]clear as day. Superman was caught in the very same space warp that Hawkman thought wouldn't affect him.

Except there was no space warp. Overlord drive didn't produce a space warp. Seriously?

"Just before I lost consciousness, the hawks had signaled me to get back to their ship."

He was also KOd as soon as they triggered the maneuver. So none of this happened while he was conscious. None of this happened under his own power.

Overlord drive forced his hyperspeed while he was unconscious. Doyou know what FORCED means?

I don't know where you're getting any of this interpretation of yours at all. It's mind boggling.
Really?

Yes, she felt the effects of the overlord maneuver (the rip in space that is the aftereffect of anything exiting hyperspace) as it deposited Superman in front of her. I don't see how it helps your argument, tho.
Except it wasn't superman exiting hyperspace. It was several ships driving their hyperdrives simultaneously as Katma explained. Seriously, this is how overlord drive forced them to jump.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=ActionComics588-21.jpg

and here is what Arisia felt

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16055590/Action_Comics_589_-_01.jpg.html

Do you find anything different in them?

Actually, I did. You'll need to point out specific quotes that prove your point instead of just posting a scan and then stating your interpretation of it w/o providing supporting texts that explicitly points to it.
Obviously you didn't. Look again.

They didn't fire it again, at least not around Superman. It was never said mentioned by narrative or text that they fired the overlord drive again around Superman.
They didn't need to. Visual proof is enough.

The entire page that you keep pointing to "them firing the overlord drive again" is just simply a page where the Lanterns explain to Superman what just happened to him after they warp him back to Earth. That's it. No second firing of the drive.
Superman was in normal space when the overlord drive first fired.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=ActionComics588-21.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=ActionComics588-22.jpg

Along with several ships. When Arisia finds him, he was again in presence of overlord drive fired again and no ships in vicinity

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16055590/Action_Comics_589_-_01.jpg.html

Explain how its possible if overlord drive wasn't fired again.

Hawkman/Hawkgirl fired the overlord drive once in the presence of the fleet to fling the fleet away from Earth.
No.

No it didn't. At no time was it ever mentioned in the comic that:
1) Superman was flung under his own power.
Overlord drive was only affecting those with hyperspeed, flinging them away with their own speed. If superman was affected, he was flung away by his own speed.
2) That this elusive "second jump" ever existed, was mentioned or was ever alluded to.
3) That this elusive "second firing of the overlord effect" ever happened, was ever mentioned or ever alluded to in either comic (588 and 589).
Already proved you wrong.

Prove me wrong. Type in quotes from the comic that disproves any of the above statements.
Already did.

1) Actually the overlord drive "is a force firing of a ship's hyperdrive engine". And only ships WITH a hyperdrive engine are flung a billion light years away.
Superman was along those ships as seen here.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=ActionComics588-22.jpg

2) The overlord effect is CLEARLY stated to fling ships far beyond their normal speeds as evidenced by and I quote:

"Even with hyperdrive, it would take millions of years to get back to Earth"

Same with superman who was unable to normally reach hyperspeed on his own. It was his speed though.

Meaning any speeds achieved via the overlord drive is clearly stated on-panel as being far beyond the normal speeds (w/o a special one-time usable maneuver w/in special circumstances) of anything caught in it. Thus you can't even use this as a speed "feat" for the Thanaggarian ships much less Superman who was just caught in the effect.
Superman was never caught in its effect because there was no such effect. Superman's speed was used though.

3) No, what Arisia saw was the actual overlord effect the actual rip in space that deposited Superman in her vicinity. There were no ships. There was no "firing again to be flung across the universe". I'm flabbergasted on how you even came to that conclusion.
Because the ships fired again after superman was deposited there as explained by Katma.

And I quote:

"Some... Some kind of rip in space!"

That was what she felt.

And make up your mind. First you state:

Then you say:

It either affected him or it didn't. Make up your mind.

Plus:

First you say Superman was flung a billion light years away, now you're saying that he was deposited in front of Arisia, who was only 400k light years away, THEN the ships jumped again?? I mean COME ON![/quote] Yeah superman was jumped twice, first a billion lightyears away and then from there 400k lightyears from earth.

I mean seriously, man. With all respect. Just. Stop. [/B]
Seriously, shorten your replies.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Lol once it gets more then 2 paragraphs no one reads shit anymore, just a waste of time.

Also this I'd my first time going on kmc with my phone. It's not bad.

Nibedicus Gaming addict

Originally posted by abhilegend
Doesn't need them.

About overlord drive not affecting superman. Clearly they were wrong.

Exactly.

Then we are in agreement, the overlord drive affected Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except there was no space warp. Overlord drive didn't produce a space warp. Seriously?

So what exactly are you saying here? That the overlord drive didn't affect him??

Wait, I thought we were in agreement....

Originally posted by abhilegend
Overlord drive forced his hyperspeed while he was unconscious. Doyou know what FORCED means?

Really?

Where in the comic was it said that it forced his hyperspeed? Quote it or concede the point.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except it wasn't superman exiting hyperspace. It was several ships driving their hyperdrives simultaneously as Katma explained.

No, it wasn't. Never in the artwork, or the narration or the was there ever any ships shown to be present around Arisia. What you're doing is taking the GL's explanation to Superman about how the overlord drive maneuver works and taking it as some kind of proof that ships made a second jump.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously, this is how overlord drive forced them to jump.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=ActionComics588-21.jpg

and here is what Arisia felt

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16055590/Action_Comics_589_-_01.jpg.html

Do you find anything different in them?

Yes, one scan has ships in it, the other scan doesn't w/c proves my point. They look alike because they're the SAME effect. Rips in space. Issue 588 shows the fleet entering it, 589 shows Superman exiting it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Obviously you didn't. Look again.

Dude, quote your proof or concede the point. Seriously.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They didn't need to. Visual proof is enough.

Superman was in normal space when the overlord drive first fired.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=ActionComics588-21.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=ActionComics588-22.jpg

Along with several ships. When Arisia finds him, he was again in presence of overlord drive fired again and no ships in vicinity

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16055590/Action_Comics_589_-_01.jpg.html

The scene below is Superman already KOd either lost in space after he got tossed by the overlord drive or lost in space as he was hurling thru hyperspace. The only thing it shows is him KOd surrounded by glowing globe of light thingies that isn't explained by either art nor narration in the current or future issues.

All-in-all this was done to create suspense about Superman's fate for the following issue. A common storytelling tool usually used at the end of comics.

This is a non-proof.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Explain how its possible if overlord drive wasn't fired again.

You're asking me to prove a negative. You made the assertion of a second firing, you provide proof. And no, the scene you provided above with Superman floating KOd in space is NOT proof.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No.

Yes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Overlord drive was only affecting those with hyperspeed, flinging them away with their own speed. If superman was affected, he was flung away by his own speed.

The overlord drive can only affect those with a hyperdrive thus it didn't affect Superman but it affected Superman thus it was under his own speed/power...?

Say whaaaaaat? How does that even make sense in your head?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Already proved you wrong.

With what evidence? The fact that Superman was shown at the end of an issue vaguely floating in space? Really? That's your proof?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Already did.

Nope.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman was along those ships as seen here.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=ActionComics588-22.jpg

Again, those look like vaguely drawn glowing orbs, those might be ships or they might not be. For all we know those are the ships in transit w/c caught Superman in their wake from w/in hyperspace but badly drawn. The artwork tells us nothing except that Superman is KOd and far away from Hawkman/Hawkgirl.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Same with superman who was unable to normally reach hyperspeed on his own. It was his speed though.

So, under his own power, he's incapable of reaching those speeds? So how is this even a "feat" at all? It means he's amped meaning it's inadmissible.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman was never caught in its effect because there was no such effect. Superman's speed was used though.

So, this whole quote:

"So I was caught in the space warp, too."

Is just Superman talking out of his ass? I mean almost every other proof you've used in this comic was based on character comments why is this wrong? You can't just pick and choose w/c character comments to allow.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because the ships fired again after superman was deposited there as explained by Katma.

All he did was explain what the overlord effect was. Pls point out where he mentioned that there was a "second firing" of the overlord drive.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was what she felt.

She felt a rip is pace. Please stop trying to insert events that didn't happen or even shown/alluded to in the comic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah superman was jumped twice, first a billion lightyears away and then from there 400k lightyears from earth.

Dude....

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was several ships driving their hyperdrives simultaneously as Katma explained. Seriously, this is how overlord drive forced them to jump.

So what you're saying is that the ships and Superman were tossed 1 billion light years away THEN went back 400k light years with him to deposit him near Arisia THEN flew away a billion light years away again? All without any kind of narration or artwork that alludes to any of these happening?

How does that make sense? How do you expect anyone to buy into that?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously, shorten your replies.

You know what? I'm DONE talking about it here. I see now that this will never end as you will just keep going in circles until I get bored of this discussion.

Thus, I challenge you to a BZ regarding this one particular "feat" to see w/c of our interpretations are correct. I suggest we pick 3 unbiased mods/posters as judges and limit the posting period to 3 posts each max.

Accept or concede the point.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Then we are in agreement, the overlord drive affected Superman.
Good.

So what exactly are you saying here? That the overlord drive didn't affect him??
It didn't produce a space warp.

Wait, I thought we were in agreement....
We are.

Where in the comic was it said that it forced his hyperspeed? Quote it or concede the point.
Hawkman said it clearly.

No, it wasn't. Never in the artwork, or the narration or the was there ever any ships shown to be present around Arisia. What you're doing is taking the GL's explanation to Superman about how the overlord drive maneuver works and taking it as some kind of proof that ships made a second jump.
At least I have a proof. What do you have? Your opinion?

Yes, one scan has ships in it, the other scan doesn't w/c proves my point. They look alike because they're the SAME effect. Rips in space. Issue 588 shows the fleet entering it, 589 shows Superman exiting it.
Except superman was already in normal space in 588 along with other ships.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=ActionComics588-22.jpg

Dude, quote your proof or concede the point. Seriously.

I already did.

The scene below is Superman already KOd either lost in space after he got tossed by the overlord drive or lost in space as he was hurling thru hyperspace. The only thing it shows is him KOd surrounded by glowing globe of light thingies that isn't explained by either art nor narration in the current or future issues.
So let me get this straight, superman along with a thousand ships gets tossed through hyperspace and you think those "light thingies" aren't those ships? Why?

All-in-all this was done to create suspense about Superman's fate for the following issue. A common storytelling tool usually used at the end of comics.
Seriously? Means nothing whatsoever.

This is a non-proof.
Why?

You're asking me to prove a negative. You made the assertion of a second firing, you provide proof. And no, the scene you provided above with Superman floating KOd in space is NOT proof.
So you demand a proof and when presented deny it?
facepalm

Yes.
No.

The overlord drive can only affect those with a hyperdrive thus it didn't affect Superman but it affected Superman thus it was under his own speed/power...?
The overlord drive affected superman's own hyperspeed which he didn't know about then just like he didn't know about his kryptonian origin.

Say whaaaaaat? How does that even make sense in your head?
😂

With what evidence? The fact that Superman was shown at the end of an issue vaguely floating in space? Really? That's your proof?
Yeah. That's my proof that superman was in normal space with other ships.

Nope.
Nope.

Again, those look like vaguely drawn glowing orbs, those might be ships or they might not be. For all we know those are the ships in transit w/c caught Superman in their wake from w/in hyperspace but badly drawn. The artwork tells us nothing except that Superman is KOd and far away from Hawkman/Hawkgirl.
Except we know that those are ships as they were tossed away by overlord drive.

So, under his own power, he's incapable of reaching those speeds? So how is this even a "feat" at all? It means he's amped meaning it's inadmissible.
At that time he was unable to since hyperspace drained/hurt him. Nowadays he's capable of reaching hyperspeed. Lawlz @ amping.

So, this whole quote:

"So I was caught in the space warp, too."

Is just Superman talking out of his ass?

Yes.
I mean almost every other proof you've used in this comic was based on character comments why is this wrong? You can't just pick and choose w/c character comments to allow.
Since there was no space warp and overlord drive doesn't produce one.

All he did was explain what the overlord effect was. Pls point out where he mentioned that there was a "second firing" of the overlord drive.
Visual proof is enough.

She felt a rip is pace.
She thought she did.
Please stop trying to insert events that didn't happen or even shown/alluded to in the comic.
It was fairly explained in the comic what it truly was.

Dude....

What?

So what you're saying is that the ships and Superman were tossed 1 billion light years away THEN went back 400k light years with him to deposit him near Arisia THEN flew away a billion light years away again?
Essentially, yes. That's what comic tells us.
All without any kind of narration or artwork that alludes to any of these happening?
Its the fault of the writer.

How does that make sense? How do you expect anyone to buy into that?
I don't need anyone to buy into that. Anybody capable of thinking logically would see that.

You know what? I'm DONE talking about it here. I see now that this will never end as you will just keep going in circles until I get bored of this discussion.

Thus, I challenge you to a BZ regarding this one particular "feat" to see w/c of our interpretations are correct. I suggest we pick 3 unbiased mods/posters as judges and limit the posting period to 3 posts each max.

Accept or concede the point.

No need to. I already proved my stance. Take it or leave it.

Nibedicus Gaming addict

Just so we can get this thing clear:

So basically what you're saying is that you're going to use one vague scan where a KOd Superman could or could not have been in transit surrounded by vague and unexplained fiery balls of light that could or could not have been ships as proof that the ships and Superman were tossed 1 billion light years away THEN went back 400k light years with him to deposit him near Arisia THEN flew away a billion light years away again?

And that this "proof" (and I use that term losoely) somehow proves that Superman can attain the travel speeds required to very quickly cover 1 billion light years even though 1) he was KOd the whole time 2) it was a result of Hawkman's activation of the Overlord drive effect?

All the while claiming that I "provided no proof and all opinions" even though I've cited actual quotes, panel artwork, page numbers and issue numbers and you're saying that my simple interpretation of: "The overlord drive, being triggered by Hawkman prematurely, sucked Superman in its wake, depositing him 400k light years away unconscious for Arisia to find and rescue"(w/c makes this a speed "non-feat" for Superman and should not be used in these boards) is bogus?

THEN you refuse a BZ in order to resolve the issue?

Yeah, I think we're done here. Since you're not accepting my BZ challenge: concession accepted by default.

PS. Sent this "feat" to mods for a ruling just so you know. Won't waste time going on a circular debate when I'm just arguing against more and more bs (pardon my french) piled on top of the other.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Just so we can get this thing clear:

So basically what you're saying is that you're going to use one vague scan where a KOd Superman could or could not have been in transit surrounded by vague and unexplained fiery balls of light that could or could not have been ships as proof that the ships and Superman were tossed 1 billion light years away THEN went back 400k light years with him to deposit him near Arisia THEN flew away a billion light years away again?

Yes.

And that this "proof" (and I use that term losoely) somehow proves that Superman can attain the travel speeds required to very quickly cover 1 billion light years even though 1) he was KOd the whole time 2) it was a result of Hawkman's activation of the Overlord drive effect?
Yes since he was koed by the affects of Hyperspace and it was his own speed.

All the while claiming that I "provided no proof and all opinions" even though I've cited actual quotes, panel artwork, page numbers and issue numbers and you're saying that my simple interpretation of: "The overlord drive, being triggered by Hawkman prematurely, sucked Superman in its wake, depositing him 400k light years away unconscious for Arisia to find and rescue"(w/c makes this a speed "non-feat" for Superman and should not be used in these boards) is bogus?
Which would be impossible to reason with what Hawkman said since overlord drive doesn't produce a space warp and superman and the ships were tossed one billion lightyears away as per his statement.

THEN you refuse a BZ in order to resolve the issue?
Yeah, I don't do BZ on things I already proved.

Yeah, I think we're done here. Since you're not accepting my BZ challenge: concession accepted by default.
Whatever you say quanchi-lite.

PS. Sent this "feat" to mods for a ruling just so you know. Won't waste time going on a circular debate when I'm just arguing against more and more bs (pardon my french) piled on top of the other.
Whatever.

Nibedicus Gaming addict

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

Yes since he was koed by the affects of Hyperspace and it was his own speed.

Which would be impossible to reason with what Hawkman said since overlord drive doesn't produce a space warp and superman and the ships were tossed one billion lightyears away as per his statement.

Yeah, I don't do BZ on things I already proved.

Whatever you say quanchi-lite.

Whatever.

If you've already "proven it" why not engage me in a BZ. What are you so afraid of? You're a pretty skilled debater with in depth knowledge of Superman. I'm sure it'll be a simple matter to prove your point in front of a few unbiased judges. And you seem eager to step up everytime and reply to every single one of my posts so I'm sure it's not a time/interest issue. So what's holding you back?

Never called you names, tho, best to approach this with mutual respect.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Nibedicus
If you've already "proven it" why not engage me in a BZ. What are you so afraid of? You're a pretty skilled debater with in depth knowledge of Superman. I'm sure it'll be a simple matter to prove your point in front of a few unbiased judges. And you seem eager to step up everytime and reply to every single one of my posts so I'm sure it's not a time/interest issue. So what's holding you back?

Never called you names, tho, best to approach this with mutual respect.

I just don't do BZs on such a small issue. Call it a principle or whatever. I'm sorry.

That was meant as humorous. I call posters quanchi-lite when they demand concession from me. You should do it sometimes too. Lighten thyself up, mate.

Nibedicus Gaming addict

Originally posted by abhilegend
I just don't do BZs on such a small issue. Call it a principle or whatever. I'm sorry.

That was meant as humorous. I call posters quanchi-lite when they demand concession from me. You should do it sometimes too. Lighten thyself up, mate.

Seeing as that if you wanna you use the "feat" as evidence of Superman's traveling speed superiority in your own thread, one would think that you could at least spend the time needed to prove it conclusively. I'm not talking a big BZ just 2-3 posts each with 3 unbiased judges willing to oversee.

Hey, I never really find name calling humorous. Sarcastic comments targeting one's logic sure but name-calling, not really. /shrug

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Seeing as that if you wanna you use the "feat" as evidence of Superman's traveling speed superiority in your own thread, one would think that you could at least spend the time needed to prove it conclusively. I'm not talking a big BZ just 2-3 posts each with 3 unbiased judges willing to oversee.

Hey, I never really find name calling humorous. Sarcastic comments targeting one's logic sure but name-calling, not really. /shrug


Can't do it mate. I'm sorry.

I apologies if that offended you. That wasn't my intent.

Nibedicus Gaming addict

Originally posted by abhilegend
Can't do it mate. I'm sorry.

I apologies if that offended you. That wasn't my intent.

Fair enough. /shrug

Golgo13 Senior Member

Zoom!

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was specifically mentioned by hawkman that anybody affected by overlord drive would be flung 1 billion lightyears by it. Here is the scan

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=ActionComics588-20.jpg


And how exactly does this prove that a KOed Superman traveled all that distance on his own?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
And how exactly does this prove that a KOed Superman traveled all that distance on his own?

Because overlord drive only affected those with hyperspeed and used it to flung them across the universe. If superman was flung away he was using his own speed in doing so.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because overlord drive only affected those with hyperspeed and used it to flung them across the universe. If superman was flung away he was using his own speed in doing so.

If he was flung away, then how was he using his own speed? That on top of him being KOed and all.