Originally posted by Juntai
I didn't circle it. That's from someone in this thread.You're right, the laws don't bind him. But I wonder why?
The difference is that it's scans, bios, handbooks, marvunapp, all corroborating in suggesting one thing, and you suggesting another just because it doesn't explicitly spell it out for you every single time.
And now to fly straight across the galaxy to earth, but straight is only relative in the curve of hyperspace!
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3939088
As they continue to surf through hyperspace!
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3939085
They went into hyperspace. They might be on the other side of the universe now!
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3939084
Transwarps time and space;
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3523656
Hold on tight, about to hit warp speed;
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-4163161
Surfer doing his casual traveling... in hyperspace.
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3939089
Casually whisks into hyperspace.
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3939074
Hurtling through hyperspace once more!
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3939090
Without accessing hyperspace;[b] "Surfer 'lams out at near light speed'
and I quantum jump!"
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/62547/3939095-starmasters+3.2+-+mention+of+hyperspace.jpgIf you'd really like, I could grab more that aren't surfer showing a ton of characters and even ships needing to jump to hyperspace to go ftl also? Or maybe a dozen of them of Surfer or narration saying he can't go FTL? But only if you feel it'll make a difference more than the material already in discussion.
You see, showing some scans where it isn't explicitly mentioned doesn't undo the fact that it's written into his character in the comics, in his bio, and into the laws of the Marvel U. [/B]
Even if we take everything you just said for fact, you are still ignoring things and Surfer traveling faster than light. Like that's all there is to it. You are still continuing while blatantly ignoring actual proof. In fact when faced with such proof you wouldn't even acknowledge any proof of their existance. Yet you shove bios in my face with circles around them.
I never denied Surfer's use of hyperspace either. In fact I even said it. There's only two relevant scans that you actually posted.
The first being the first scan you posted. Which seems entirely like flowery language for space. Reinforced by a week passing while he's only crossing the galaxy. You yourself made note in one of your scans that they could be across the entire universe immediately after they entered. Made even better by him saying he's going to ride the solar winds.
Because that's what hyperspace does. It cuts the time into seconds. You're going to tell me that Surfer entered hyperspace and it took him a week to traverse a galaxy?
Like I said though, just seems like flowery language for space. Otherwise it defeats the entire purpose.
And here's the next page:
http://i58.tinypic.com/34ir1nt.jpg
"As he surfs the black abyss"
The next relevant scan is of you saying he's doing casual surfing in hyperspace. It absolutely doesn't say he's actually traveling along hyperspace. He feels something going through all of hyperspace. That's a sensing feat, that's all. You might as well be arguing Sue travels through hyperspace when she accesses her powers.
Surfer can feel things in hyperspace without being in hyperspace.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Surfer/cs199439.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Surfer/cs199440.jpg.html
Now, I'm not sure what you thought your actual point was with these scans as what the end of your post seems to just think that by hyperspace existing, that you must be right?
I never said Surfer can't enter hyperspace, and I already said he uses it to travel halfway across creation in a very very short time. It's just that you're ignoring that he can travel faster than light, as it's happened. Go ahead and show some low feats of his speed though if it appeases you. God knows you're not above stretching that far. Oh and also.
Originally posted by Juntai
As they continue to surf through hyperspace!
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3939085They went into hyperspace. They might be on the other side of the universe now!
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3939084
Transwarps time and space;
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3523656
Hold on tight, about to hit warp speed;
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-4163161
Casually whisks into hyperspace.
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3939074
Hurtling through hyperspace once more!
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3939090
Without accessing hyperspace;[b] "Surfer 'lams out at near light speed'
and I quantum jump!"
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/62547/3939095-starmasters+3.2+-+mention+of+hyperspace.jpg [/B]
The context of that scan is that they traveled galaxies away in a very short amount of time all the way to Galactus' ship.
They might be on the other side of the universe. Speaks for itself really. That's not simply faster than light, that's like billions of times faster.
That's him traveling through wormholes and going so fast he screws with time and space. He also emerges on the other side of the universe.
That's debatable if that's even hyperspace as they see all the galaxies streak past them. Your own bio that you've repeatedly pepper throughout this page literally says hyperspace is a nexus in space. Your bio also goes against the two scans addressed.
The context here is that Surfer was traveling along space normally to Zenn La from other systems. Which as you know would take light many years. As soon as he actually used hyperspace he traveled there instantly. That's actually a good point Juntai. Thanks for bringing that up. I'll post some scans showing him traveling to Zenn La which was light years from where ever he was, in a completely normal way. Which would have taken him years and years if he was limited to light speed.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/X-MenUnlimited13-14.jpg.html
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/X-MenUnlimited13-15.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/dh97yu.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/X-MenUnlimited13-24.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/X-MenUnlimited13-26.jpg
And since you already showed the scan of him receiving news that the universe depends on his arrival, and that's the reason why he used hyperspace, I'll show when he arrives, which is like seconds.
http://i61.tinypic.com/aoqmv8.jpg
So basically, Surfer was traveling to Zenn La without hyperspace in that issue, which would have put him at many times the speed of light no matter where he was, and then arrived there instantly with hyperspace. Hyperspace >>> his speed, but it still shows Surfer is confident enough in his speed to traverse like galaxies without it. Glad you brought this issue up Jun. 🙂
Now, I'm going to be honest, but I think "hyperspace" was just a word Stan Lee threw in there to seem cool. That's purely based on Mephisto tracking him through hyperspace though.
Even if, he traveled from Zenn La to Earth in like a minute.
I don't get how Surfer traveling near light speed says anything. I don't think even you're disputing he can travel at light speed, so how is that scan supposed to prove anything? He didn't even open the tunnel and accelerated to near light speed nigh instantly.
That's not even hyperspace either, Beta Ray threw a marble sized black hole through the same thing and it got sent to at least a million light years away from anything with an atom. Which is quite far.
http://i58.tinypic.com/21bsw40.jpg
So what you just posted was Surfer basically instantly exited a portal at near light speed.
Now, onto my actual point with all of this. If everything was hyperspace like you said in what I replied to, you basically have instantaneous travel. You showed him crossing the universe, light years, at least 38 light minutes, 6000 light years, half a million light years, galaxies, and what may have been halfway across the universe either instantly, or in seconds.
So if we accept all that for fact, then how can this scan make sense when it takes Surfer a week to travel the galaxy in "hyperspace"?
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3939088/
Like I said, flowery language. But I've already said my piece on that one. It just seems like the writer completely missed the point. The only use it would be in that situation is to be called hyperspace... while he says he's riding the solar winds. 😂
But this is all irrelevant anyway, since you are still ignoring scans of Surfer and other beings and things exceeding light speed. The only basis you have to combat that is editable bios, and you keep referring to a site that when unabbreviated is The Marvel Unofficial Appendix
Like seriously.
