When there was a Marvel,D.c crossover(don`t know if it makes it canon?)Superman was pretty impressed with the fact that he could enlarge metropolis after mxy shrunk it into a glass cylinder.And as far as speed feats go surfer is right there with any charcter from both universes.Also their was a race about 20 years ago(the runner set it up)and Makkari from the Eternals thought for sure he would win.But a guy named Buried Alien(an anagram for Barry allen,I know it`s not spelled right).The issue was really a tribute to the old flash,actually cool by Marvel!
Originally posted by Galan007He went through the first black hole mainly because of Brainiac. As far as the second one, he actually he didn't need to state why. The first black hole was shown curing him. Thus the reason why Superman hypothesized black holes were the cure and decided to go in another. It makes 100% sense and literary no sense for the contrary. This is what I got immediately from reading. That was the first and most natural thing that came to me. It was the writer's intentions.
An explicit statement was NEVER given by Superman--he speculated/theorized that the black holes may have been what eradicated the virus from his being--and maybe they were. However, he NEVER stated that his sole rationale for plunging himself into multiple black holes on his way back to earth was to rid himself of the virus. That is simply your own conjecture.
Even if we don't see the first black hole actually curing Superman, the writer had Superman go through a second black for a reason.
Clearly, it wasn't to be used to travel faster since that wasn't stated or hinted to.
Clearly it wasn't to kill himself, for the same reasons given above.
The only plausible reason is to cure himself as he could have hypothesized before he entered the second black hole.
Originally posted by h1a8
He went through the first black hole mainly because of Brainiac. As far as the second one, he actually he didn't need to state why. The first black hole was shown curing him. Thus the reason why Superman hypothesized black holes were the cure and decided to go in another. It makes 100% sense and literary no sense for the contrary. This is what I got immediately from reading. That was the first and most natural thing that came to me. It was the writer's intentions.Even if we don't see the first black hole actually curing Superman, the writer had Superman go through a second black for a reason.
Clearly, it wasn't to be used to travel faster since that wasn't stated or hinted to.
Clearly it wasn't to kill himself, for the same reasons given above.
The only plausible reason is to cure himself as he could have hypothesized before he entered the second black hole.
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Originally posted by h1a8
He went through the first black hole mainly because of Brainiac. As far as the second one, he actually he didn't need to state why. The first black hole was shown curing him. Thus the reason why Superman hypothesized black holes were the cure and decided to go in another. It makes 100% sense and literary no sense for the contrary. This is what I got immediately from reading. That was the first and most natural thing that came to me. It was the writer's intentions.Even if we don't see the first black hole actually curing Superman, the writer had Superman go through a second black for a reason.
Clearly, it wasn't to be used to travel faster since that wasn't stated or hinted to.
Clearly it wasn't to kill himself, for the same reasons given above.
The only plausible reason is to cure himself as he could have hypothesized before he entered the second black hole.
You can't say "clearly" for sure since we know and Clark knows a black hole punted him a far distance in the first place. So it's not the only plausible reason. To take that stance is to view the feat with partial blinders on.
Oh and Thor has "FLOWN" a "universe away" almost instantly. I guess this feat trumps all amirite? It doesn't show him porting so I'll take it as flying speed even though we know he can teleport and all that stuff.. It suits my view better. You know what I mean? 😉
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A Universe away, in deep space, a girl prays to Thor and he almost instantly travels to her world after hearing her. He brings rain to a dead world, carves rivers where there was once deserts and so on:
"Everyone throughout the spaceways says you're the greatest God who's ever lived and that you can do anything...."
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Maybe... But just because the superficial effects of the virus were disappearing when he was entering the black hole doesn't mean he thought he was cured.You can't say "clearly" for sure since we know and Clark knows a black hole punted him a far distance in the first place. So it's not the only plausible reason. To take that stance is to view the feat with partial blinders on.
Oh and Thor has "FLOWN" a "universe away" almost instantly. I guess this feat trumps all amirite? It doesn't show him porting so I'll take it as flying speed even though we know he can teleport and all that stuff.. It suits my view better. You know what I mean? 😉
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111146030/4281015-fliesacrosssectorseconds.jpg
Unlike Thor he actually flew there.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'll take your Thor and raise you Atrocitus.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111146030/4281015-fliesacrosssectorseconds.jpg
Unlike Thor he actually flew there.
In any case both are faster than Superman. I'm glad that's settled.
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Originally posted by celeyhyga17but there is nothing to suggest that he used a black hole to travel faster. Thus it doesn't exist. We only can take what the writer is trying to show us.
Maybe... But just because the superficial effects of the virus were disappearing when he was entering the black hole doesn't mean he thought he was cured.You can't say "clearly" for sure since we know and Clark knows a black hole punted him a far distance in the first place. So it's not the only plausible reason. To take that stance is to view the feat with partial blinders on.
Oh and Thor has "FLOWN" a "universe away" almost instantly. I guess this feat trumps all amirite? It doesn't show him porting so I'll take it as flying speed even though we know he can teleport and all that stuff.. It suits my view better. You know what I mean? 😉
Superman saw the black hole curing him (he probably wasn't completely cured) . He experienced it and put two and two together. Simply making stuff up where the writer doesn't give any clues to is clever trolling.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17we don't know how Thor traveled. Also, a universe away could be simply hyperbole to mean a far distance away. At least Superman was shown actually flying.
What do you mean? Thor flew. Amirite? 😉In any case both are faster than Superman. I'm glad that's settled.
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Actually we do know how Thor traveled. He used a portal. That's how he always traveled galactic distances before.
I don't see what's wrong with the hyperspace thing.
As I said, it's an sci-fi explanation on how things break lightspeed.
It's a writer tool to break the laws of physics.
The Surfer scans clearly say he enters hyperspace when he crosses lightspeed.
"entering hyperspace when he exceeds light speed" - directly from the Surfer scan. The other scan and the bio say nearly the same thing.
It doesn't say anything about -can-. It says crosses and does.
Gladiator is often written using hyperspace.
Thor is often written moving with hyperspace [ In one of the fights against Surfer he chased Surfer into hyperspace!]
When Thor found Ego outside of the Black Galaxy, he mentioned Ego using hyperspace to move ftl.
In fact. Marvel.com
http://marvel.wikia.com/Glossary:Hyperspace.
Hyperspace is what happens when you cross lightspeed, as per their website.
On Marvunapp, pretty much every >Lightspeed character has hyperspace specifically mentioned in their bio.
The writers have extensively stressed these facts and constantly show on panels by drawing and mentioning hyperspace specifically or also often similar terms like space jump, warp jump, warp speed, space jump, etc etc etc.
Is it mentioned every single time?
Absolutely not.
But no power is.
I don't need Thor to yell that he's shooting lightning every time it goes off.
That doesn't change the fact it's a written rule of their universe and is slapped to all the faster than light characters again and again and again into monotony.
I shouldn't need to grab every single scan and bio and draw red circles on it for you to realize this.
The interesting thing is that while you guys are getting butthurt about it, you're failing to realize that characters like Flash[ speedforce] and Green Lantern also have to use these types of means once they cross C.
Good luck finding one for modern era Supes' though, I'm not going to say it doesn't exist, just that I don't recall it. I do remember him moving through hyperspace in Earth Stealers, but he didn't do it himself and wasn't FTL back then in early Post-COIE.
There was actually a discussion about this almost a decade ago on this forum, because it seems Supes is possibly the only character that can constistantly cross lightspeed without ever having any of those mentioned.
Originally posted by h1a8
but there is nothing to suggest that he used a black hole to travel faster. Thus it doesn't exist. We only can take what the writer is trying to show us.Superman saw the black hole curing him (he probably wasn't completely cured) . He experienced it and put two and two together. Simply making stuff up where the writer doesn't give any clues to is clever trolling.
Originally posted by h1a8
we don't know how Thor traveled. Also, a universe away could be simply hyperbole to mean a far distance away. At least Superman was shown actually flying.Actually we do know how Thor traveled. He used a portal. That's how he always traveled galactic distances before.
We do know how he traveled. He's shown about to land on terra firma which means he was flying.. 😉
Amirite?
In a discussion on Superman moving FTL.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I thought it was impossible to achieve light speed in comics, without Speed Force or a link to Hyper Space, or a Warp drive engine. Is there no Time Dilation in D.C. comics ?
Originally posted by Mindship
Okay, here we go. In the hopeless attempt to apply real physics to Superman, consider: Superman is able to make use of solar energy by some as-yet unknown laws of biology and physics. No magic is involved, and as far as I know, he doesn't warp space or enter hyperspace, etc, etc. So how the hell does he go faster than light? This seems like a scientifically enlightened crowd here; we know the relativistic effects which would take place even if all the power in the universe were used to accelerate one electron. Unless I've missed something (wouldnt be the first time), Superman should Not be able to hit lightspeed, let alone surpass it.
That said, I've heard he can make 1% lightspeed. So, 8.3 minutes times 100 is 830 minutes, or just under 14 hours.
Superman should be able to reach the sun in that time, no sooner.
Fine and dandy. We can retract the laws of physics now.
Its weird that these things were understood 10 years ago, and somehow in my absence the last year or two you guys were allowed to set us back farther than that.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftYou're talking about a character who -- as seein pre-crisis and in his many alternates and occasionally displays himself -- brute forces his way through pretty much all the laws of physics without explanation. e.g; Breaking dimensional walls or punching through time on the merit of physical strength.
Every character cheats to cross lightspeed except Superman.
As I said, it's not that it doesn't exist, it might, but I've read Supes more than just about anyone and I don't recall it.
Trying to apply real world physics to Superman makes baby Jesus weep. This is a guy whose power might as well just be "ability to tell physics to f*ck off".
On another board I saw someone using real world physics to try to prove Pre Crisis Superman could destroy cosmic beings like Galactus and even people above him. The argument? Was that Supes is so massively FTL and using real world physics...if he flew at Galactus going his fastest he would be flying and hitting him with the mass of an entire universe..or some nonsense like that.
See, just by typing that out a piece of my soul is gone now, lost to the ether forever. I just gave up trying to understand Superman's powers right around the time he busted out "soul vision".
