Originally posted by JuntaiGood feat actually.
First in Silver Surfer #2 volume 3, Norrin claimed he could fly “near the speed of light”, then in Silver Surfer #9 he gets sucked into a black hole and is unable to escape --which requires faster than light speeds--
Near light speed off of an attempted cheapshot. Glad you brought that up.
While it being a simple low feat would suffice, he was just reflected a beam that was powered by all the Infinity Gems and a sun that was draining Galactus.
He also really made no effort to escape as he blatantly said he was trying to make sure the Elders perished in the black hole.
Originally posted by JuntaiBefore I address this, here's In-Betweener flying really fast out of a black hole:
then in Silver Surfer #15 he uses hyperspace and later again fails to escape a black hole
Now, again, he used hyperspace to travel from Earth to a random place in space where a giant ass black hole was in seconds. He uses hyperspace. Never went against that. And the near light was a threat that he would drag an Elder to his death while traveling at those speeds.
However, he did not fail to escape a black hole. In fact he says he needs all his speed to break through the other side:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SS_v3_015_07b.jpg
And it was reinforced repeatedly that Surfer was the only one who could get outside the black hole:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SS_v3_016_03a.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SS_v3_016_04a.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SS_v3_016_05a.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SS_v3_016_09a.jpg
And I already know what you're going to say, but you know why Surfer needed Chaos and Order's power to get on the other side of the black hole? Because In-Betweener sealed off travel through it to everyone present but himself:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SS_v3_017_04a.jpg
So yeah, good lowballing attempt there.
Originally posted by JuntaiLet's see how long 4 cycles takes:
Surfer himself says that traveling from Zenn-La to the Galactic Core will require “four cycles in hyperspace”.
3 pages of dialogue. What is that, like 2 minutes? 4 cycles of 30 seconds?
But to explain. Surfer starts hyperspace. It says meanwhile. Then we get the scans I posted. Then it flips back to Surfer finding Strange. What I posted was how long four cycles was.
4 cycles. 😂
Originally posted by JuntaiNo it wasn't. If everytime he surpassed it it was noted he was using hyperspace, then scans wouldn't exist of him surpassing it and it not stating hyperspace. And he traveled again, really really really far to meet the Elders. You're acting like Surfer is just using hyperspace to travel to a sun in the same galaxy or something.
Nearly every time he surpassed it, it was noted that he did so via hyperspace and within the confines of regular spaceAt one point, he traveled a vast distance to the Elders of the Universe and they themselves noted that he had accomplished that feat via hyperspace.
Originally posted by JuntaiAre you confusing this for hyperspace?
But after regaining his power later, in Silver Surfer #50 Surfer flies away using hyperspace.
Because that's him falling to Earth.
The next issue wasn't hyperspace either. They were flying faster than they've ever flew and they traveled back in time arriving on Earth.
Originally posted by JuntaiHow is this feat supposed to mean anything at all? I understand your other lowballing attempts, but this one is just... what?
In Silver Surfer #62 he says he must “coax every measure of speed” from his board, but while he’s in the middle of doing that he gets attacked and pulled into a realm of the dead.
To explain, Surfer had a virus which was screwing with his mind:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SS_v3_061_07b.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SS_v3_064_14a.jpg
And if it wasn't all an illusion, then Surfer stalemated his dark half which created a dimension and then merged with that dimension creator... so, not too torn up about that.
However, what you're saying is that just because Surfer was traveling really fast and got pulled into a dimension that that means... ?
I don't know what that means.
Also, he was flying that fast to the Collector. Who was on the Earth's moon, and he was in another system entirely:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SS_v3_061_08b.jpg
He had no time because he had no idea how long the virus would take to effect him.
He was flying really ****ing fast in other words. If he's flying that fast, I can't understand how him getting tagged means anything. Let along pulled into a realm of death by an omnipotent being... which is what you're trying to say. Though it was all just in his mind.
Originally posted by Juntai"the story"
The cover of issue 111 reads that “Faster than light he flies into the inner void!", but in reality, the story says explicitly that even at his maximum speed, it would take the Surfer billions upon billions of years to fly to the other side of the universe without hyperspace and later in #114, the Watcher himself stated that the Surfer had to use wormholes to travel that distance.
So unless it took billions of years for him to do that...
But wait, there's more. In a later issue, Surfer did actually accomplish visiting everything in 616:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SS_v3_142_05a.jpg
We're actually given a timeframe oh how long it took to visit every corner and every star in the universe too.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SS_v3_142_15a.jpg
Centuries. Not billions of billions of years. I could post some more flight from that arc too where Surfer is just zipping through the macroverse observing everything at unbelievable speeds, but you'd just write that off as hyperspace.
So no, let's not listen to someone who knows next to nothing about Surfer's power on his speed. Funny thing is, you can't even use the hyperspace excuse since it blatantly said coordinates were useless, and them not factoring in hyperspace would show an ignorance on their part of his power that's law in the Marvel universe.
When you argue yourself into a corner, no?
Do you just not understand what was going on or something? You make this mistake right below too. Surfer wasn't traversing hyperspace or across the universe. Surfer was trying to enter the cosmic swell to travel to another universe.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SS_v3_114_06a.jpg
Originally posted by JuntaiYou don't even know what you're talking about. That had absolutely nothing to do with hyperspace. It got spit out from the cosmic swell, which was an untraversable basically wave connected two universes that only one being has ever crossed before.
Silver Surfer #121, the Surfer crashes into a planet at FTL speeds originating from hyperspace. In the issue right after that, he again uses a wormhole to traverse light years in seconds.
And even if it was hyperspace, it wouldn't matter if it was spit out or if it originated from it if it wasn't actually in hyperspace at the time. If it's traveling faster than light in normal space, it's breaking your rules. It doesn't matter if it came out of hyperspace and was moving at 100 times the speed of light as long as it wasn't actually in hyperspace at the time.
Simple enough really.
I've already posted scans of it anyway... which you completely ignored.
Originally posted by JuntaiNo it didn't. It said he uses hyperspace. It said Red Shift uses hyperspace. It never said he was reliant on it for speed. He was using it to travel instantly across vast reaches of space in that series. It was also shown everytime he used it, and even then it showed him surfing normally across solar systems. Terrible example to use.
In Galactus the Devourer...
And then he later escaped the black hole via a hole opened in space while he was inside the black hole and it made note that it should have killed him. And he escaped that black hole via turning really small with his board. 😂
Another thing to note is that he against senses a ripple in hyperspace while being outside out it. Which goes back to my previous post that you abandoned.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/GalactusTheDevourer2-07.jpg
Originally posted by JuntaiSurfer outflew an energy blast that encompassed three star systems and didn't show signs of slowing night instantly in Annihilation. 😂
and that Heralds cannot move faster than light, and also use a hyperspace jump at one point [Annihilation]
Also, I don't even know what you're talking about either.
Here's some bios from Annihilation:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/AnnihilationSilverSurfer4-026.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/img026.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Annihilation-SilverSurfer1-026.jpg
Though it's good you brought up hyperspace because hyperspace was shown everytime it was used. And it had a distinctive effect.
Here's Surfer doing it. Note it was a portal here:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Annihilation%20-%20Silver%20Surfer%2003%20page%2015.jpg
A couple ships.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Annihilation%20-%20Silver%20Surfer%2003%20page%2010.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Annihilation%20-%20Silver%20Surfer%2003%20page%2019.jpg
Now here's Surfer flying light years in seconds with no hyperspace portal:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Annihilation-SilverSurfer1-014.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Annihilation-SilverSurfer1-015.jpg
And just for good measure, here's Stardust's natural body being lightspeed, and the power cosmic ascending it. And to show it wasn't hyperspace, here's some beings that were in normal space in the void between galaxies that he ran into:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/annhog_01_028.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/annhog_01_029.jpg
Why would you even direct me to Annihilation? 😂
Originally posted by JuntaiSo... you blatantly ignored the scan of him tossing his hammer at 3 times the speed of light then, is what you're saying?
Also, for this, it doesn't matter what speed Thor is because he magical access to hyperspace. That's why it says mach 32, but has him rated as 7 [trancending light speed].Here's a scan of him doing just that.
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2413017
No, Thor isn't ****ing mach 32. That's indefensible. That's never been supported in comics.
And yes, I know people use hyperspace in comics, Thor included, but that's not what the bio that came out before that comic was using. It blatantly said he was mach 32 in the same vein as him being a 7 in speed. That simply doesn't work. This is the bios you're using. They are only useful for talking about what has happened in comics, nothing else.
The fact that you would defend mach 32 while ignoring scans of his hammer traveling faster... way the **** faster is hilarious though. This whole argument has been a hoot.
And that bio is a hell of a lot more official than your online bios as well. And it's wrong. Outright wrong. Published by Marvel.
Here's some more Marvel goodies.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/15047/1160700-official_handbook_of_the_marvel_universe_avengers_2005.cbr___page_36.jpg
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/250262-sentry_not_ftl_2_super.jpg
Two separate bios list Sentry as a five in speed. Let's see what your precious Marvel.com says about him too.
http://marvel.com/universe/Sentry
5
What does that mean?
http://marvel.com/universe/OHOTMU😛ower_Grids
It means Sentry's max speed is orbital velocity. The guy who repeatedly flew to the sun in panels is mach 2 to orbital velocity. The guy who I showed flying many times the speed of light can barely exit the planet. This is your proof of powers. This is your source.
Originally posted by JuntaiNo. What?
And while I admit bios can sometimes be inaccurate, these concepts of hyperspace exist in the bios, and in the issues. They are a part of the laws of physics within Marvel comics.Here it is listed under Runner in the OTHOTU, upon surpassing lightspeed, he uses hyperspace, in which the speed of light is no longer a limiting factor on velocity.
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/juntaiishere/Capture_zpsnobpgrxx.jpg[/URL]
It's talking about him using the space gem where he was blatantly using it to appear before he knew what was going on. He was essentially teleporting while also running at light speed.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos3.jpg
It blatantly said he was using the soul gem in your bio too. I trust I shouldn't have to explain what the Space Gem does.
Originally posted by Juntai
Although Star Dancer can access hyperspace, she prefers to travel at sub-light speeds.
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/juntaiishere/Capture2_zps5jxi3ofj.png[/URL]
Don't care. Meaningless too. Preferring to travel at those speeds isn't a limited factor anyway. I can prefer to jog, but it doesn't mean I can't run.
Originally posted by Juntai
Listed under the items section, Surfer can move .99 of the speed of light, and after that he accesses warp-space, in which the speed of light is no longer a limit on velocity.http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/juntaiishere/Capture3_zpsg1dnajvq.png[/URL]
😂
I know you've been working towards this the entire time in an effort to lowball, but it's hilarious you think I should listen to this bio. Not only have I shown a newer bio from like 3 decades later that say he can travel faster than light, but I've repeatedly posted scans of him doing that.
How about we actually address your "can't go lightspeed" with exactly a scan of him going exactly lightspeed instead of all the exceeding lightspeed I've been showing?
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Cosmic%20Powers%20Unlimited%2003%20-%20Silver%20Surfer_Page_28_Image_0001.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Cosmic%20Powers%20Unlimited%2003%20-%20Silver%20Surfer_Page_29_Image_0001.jpg
And about your earlier scans, Surfer saying he can go nearly light speed doesn't limit his speed to that. As evidenced by him going past that, but also it being really stupid, and all written by Englehart that got promptly ignored... sometimes by himself. Sometimes by himself in the same issue.
Originally posted by JuntaiWhat about scans saying things are traveling faster than light though without the application of hyperspace?
And so I re-iterate;
Scans simply not mentioning hyperspace doesn't mean it wasn't used.You'd need to prove a change in the dynamics, however possible, as Marvel's stance is anything faster than light, used hyperspace/warps-space/sub-space.
That doesn't mean automatic jump as both ideas are referenced separately but are related to hyperspace travel.
If you can do this in a way that undoes all of Marvel's history, I'd be wildly impressed, and concede.
That is in no way Marvel's stance. Marvel's only stance is that hyperspace shortens distances. That's it. One online bio, and a panel in which Reed is theorizing how Surfer's power works do not make an official stance. Hyperspace existed like what you're trying to prove for whatever reason do not make an official stance. And lowballing the shit out of Surfer without knowing half the context in half the scans don't make an official stance.
You have two ****ing things that show this is how Marvel works. One if you don't count how Reed is saying that going faster than light binds him to enter hyperspace. And that's a bio. From Marvel.com.
Here's my favorite part from marvel.com. Thanos is a 7 in speed. Guess I should use this in more threads as the Juntai way.
http://marvel.com/universe/Thanos
Now, let's go to another part that shows Surfer going faster than light.
Here's Surfer going way way faster than light and then he uses a wormhole to travel light years in seconds. Unless you're arguing that he was going through hyperspace which is pretty much a wormhole and then entered... a wormhole. Which I wouldn't put it past you.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111198060/4395974-silver+surfer+is+op+8.jpg
Surfer travels many yards in less than a nano second. Light travels 12 inches in a nano second:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111198060/4395966-silver+surfer+is+op+5.jpg
Speaks for itself:
http://i.imgur.com/Wl7489L.jpg
And since you were kind enough to point out that light can't escape a black hole. That would make anyone who escapes one faster than light no?
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111134695/4394644-6666943662-22769.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9S0F82NTJs0/UVdY9zulv8I/AAAAAAAAFEE/6ZiBty1AL6M/s1600/FF230_12.jpg
http://marvelvdc.com/images/Beta_Ray_Bill_Tanks_Black_Holes_Beta_Ray_Bill_Godhunter_001_012.jpg
etc
You yourself have posted Surfer exiting out black holes, so...
Another thing you've actually posted. You posted Surfer about to hit warp speed and called that hyperspace. Which means you don't think he was using hyperspace before then. Simple enough.
Well, here's the prequel to that scene of him rushing past planets in seconds.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SS_v3_108_14b.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SS_v3_108_15a.jpg
Some other scans of things being stated to be faster than light that you ignored all of:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://s399.photobucket.com/user/SilverSurferRespect/media/Silver%20Surfer/Quasar-50-17.jpg.htmlhttp://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpg.html
http://s198.photobucket.com/user/RRoldz/media/Surfer/SS_v3_121_17a.jpg.html
http://s198.photobucket.com/user/RRoldz/media/Surfer/SS_v3_121_17b.jpg.html100 times lightspeed:
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/576/335550-wtfship2tj8_super.jpg
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/62547/3525600-uncanny+avengers+10.jpghttp://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/52246/1528093-thor_145.jpg.
That's not even working things out, that's blatantly saying it's faster than light. It's not saying due to hyperspace. It's saying it's going faster than light.
You must really love Marvel.com.
And again, you have no official stance from Marvel. You have like two pieces resembling proof, and then you think Surfer using hyperspace means it's a law. That does not make a law. The amount of twisting from you is ridiculous.
You don't even have anything saying "Everything that surpasses light speed is automatically utilizing hyperspace" or anything. Not that it'd matter in the least since that's not true. The closest thing you have again, is a Marvel.com bio. A ****ing Marvel.com bio that's only talking about Surfer.
You're acting like your argument is based on fact when you seriously lack proof for that. You have one scan. You have one bio. Then you figure that utilizing a power that allows one to traverse galaxies nigh instantly automatically means that it's interwoven into the law of Marvel universe? Twist twist twist.
It's hilarious that you think I need proof that the entire Marvel infrastructure has to change though for ftl travel in normal space to actually exist. The basis of course being the non proof you have. I can't fathom what you think lowballing Surfer though accomplished in regards to your point.
"My word is law. Surfer says he can fly near light speed, and here's a 40 year old bio that says he can attain 99 percent of lightspeed. That helps my case because..."
In other words, "I can fly near light speed" =/= "I can't fly lightspeed", which seems to be a large point of your argument now for whatever reason. But as we've shown, that is clearly not the case as he's surpassed it on many occasions.
Also to address a point that I found fascinating that you'd simply ignore is this:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Still old
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111176815/4436630-4665535544-33369.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111176815/4436631-5906630593-32732.jpgI wonder if Gorr entered hyperspace to be flung lightyears like that and then exited right before impact?
Which Celey notes in your previous post before you thought you had something special.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wait so as Bran pointed out, Gorr entered hyperspace when he got blasted light years away?
Now, what I find interesting here is, that while you ignoring it, and reiterating your full of proof point, you are essentially saying that a rag dolled body would enter hyperspace simply by being blasted even if it had no means to do so.
What I find interesting as well is that you weren't simply ignoring everything I posted, just parts you thought you could answer. Directly above I posted the bio of Thor going mach 32 for example.
But this seems like an important point to address if you're going to continue your stance.
Would simply getting blasted way the **** past the speed of light put you in hyperspace, and why? As I'm sure me and you can both agree, hyperspace requires activation by the user. So why would Gorr travel into hyperspace himself to ram into a planet when he's essentially a ragdoll? Doesn't make sense to me personally, and maybe you weren't ignoring it, maybe you missed it, so I figured I'd bring it up again.
🙂
There's other things I posted that were just as ignored that I could post some more context on it, but I'm sure you'd accidentally miss those too. So...
http://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/images/misc/franklin_first_neg_zone.jpg
Funfact
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/MACH32MACH32MACH32.jpg
http://s673.photobucket.com/user/galanphotos/media/brb_speed4.jpg.html
This universe didn't abide by Junlaw:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13013990/tlgs-56.jpg.html
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/2169786-2169782-thor144_13.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/2169788-thor_vol2_517_015_09.jpg
That last scan though brings up some more questions. Mainly, how do you account for things destroying vast quantities of space in seconds? Things like a bomb instantly destroying a fifth of a universe, galaxies getting destroyed in battle, universes getting destroyed...
Do the blasts travel in hyperspace to their destinations, or is there something I'm not getting here?
Now since we're doing all this screenshotting things. Let me show something. Here's Juntai's post and date for me:
Now here are the three pms I sent myself of my finished posts:
IE, I was done the same day at the very least. And that's from when I saw his post as well, so I wasn't just working immediately after on a retort.
As for why I'd wait to post this 4 days later? Well, like I said to abhi
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You'll see what I was working on there, or maybe you won't. Who knows?Out of my hands at this point.
Out of my hands at this point, because I was waiting for Juntai to start gloating. Why is gloating important? Because it shows that he is actually proud of his argument, and he does actually believe it. IE, he answered my question.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Come on Juntai. Are you pretty proud of what you're using to argue as proof here?
Not even going into the "Superman is the only character that can fly faster than light" thing you got going on. But are you pretty proud of relying solely on bios to disprove many things that happen in the comics themselves?
Because anyone can just argue with random bullshit. Look at what Carver argues for example. But the second you start gloating about it, it shows you believe it.
As for why I knew Juntai would gloat about it:
Originally posted by Juntai
But we've had this debate before years ago, and somehow it was forgot, just like how I had to re-point out hyperspace travel when I came back a few weeks ago.
He posts on a completely unrelated topic about it like he was changing the face of the forum.
And as I grew tired of waiting for him to gloat, I posted three times trying to get a response out of him:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
😂
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The plot thickens.Superman is the only being in comics who flies across the universe while flying from Saturn. Everyone else cheats.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Time will tell. I'm more concerned about why someone thinks hyperspace limits everyone to lightspeed except Superman personally.Edit: Or why people are taking screens of their dl'ed comics to prove they know things.
And that's it. Had he probably not responded the third time, I would have likely given up until he brought it up in some unrelated thread down the road. Like I said to abhi, time will tell if he finds out what the point of my second post was. I was sure that the posts would just sit in my inbox forever, and I wasn't too worried about it tbh. I was just sitting rather quietly by waiting for a chance to post it
That's not to say my posts are perfect or anything, and I haven't read them since I made them, but they're more than enough to prove my point. Hastily put together posts have more basis than scrambling through every Surfer issue looking to lowball him in other words. And I would have never done any of this had he just ended here since this reply isn't even worth a reply:
Originally posted by Juntai
So you have nothing then?I'm not saying Surfer can't surpass lightspeed, I'm saying when he does it he enters hyperspace, which is clearly written into his character, and clearly written into the in comic scans of it, summaries of his powers, handbook bios/marvel.com/marunapp[which while translated to unofficial appendix, is written by the official handbook people, and the official handbook guides you to it and is a sponsored site for all handbook mistakes.] And written into the laws of physics of the Marvel Universe as a whole.
All of these are corroborating to paint a very clear picture.
If they were all contradicting, we might have something to talk about.And you've got . .. I think he's just trying to be flowery?
And you're right, he's not always insta-traversing with it, but that is actually accounted for in the definition of hyperspace too.
So you've proven nothing again. Great.
But he had to go one step farther with basically a whole post worth of lowballing. And then he had to go one farther with a "Look at all these Surfer comics I downloaded". Like I give a shit.
As for why I'd do this? Because I can. I've let fully replied to arguments rot in my inbox before, wouldn't be the first time. But something about Juntai's gloating about this made me smirk, so I thought I'd spice it up. Give him the last word, and let him decide how long he wants to keep that.
Also, because normal debates are rather boring. Gives me something more fun to look forward to. As I'd point anyone to the debate I had with Operator on Solar where I spelled out a secret message to him in limit breaking posts.
Now the dance will begin anew since I doubt he'll enjoy any of this.
^
Originally posted by krisblazeBasically. When fans can't get any traction in a debate using the actual comic, they stalk writers on the internet despite this forum already having decided over many years of debate, that such quotes are inadmissible.
I haven't been following the conversation.What does all this mean?
Scot is stalking Jurgens now?
Originally posted by DigiBut I mean... why wouldn't they? They don't like what's in the actual comic. That being Superman flying through Saturn's rings while unique Braniac is still monologuing and the very next panel showing him close the teleportation vortex in the middle of his monologue AFTER Superman has already flown through Saturn's rings.
No Non-canon SourcesAn obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.
Pretty much the only people who've cared about writer's interviews are the ones that hound them fishing for the answers they desperately want to validate their own pointless rhetoric. This random tweet didn't even validate that much, particularly not the trolls who screamed that Superman wasn't even flying through Saturn's rings.
Yes everyone is the troll besides OnedumbG0.
OAS happened to get the story from the writer. So when the writer writes something, and says thats what happening, you say the following:
"No you didn't know what you were writing but I Do!"
And then call anyone who disagree's with you a troll.
Funny how that works.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialOh, a sock. One who knew my original username that I changed in 2012 despite having just registered in 2014.
Yes everyone is the troll besides OnedumbG0
One can only imagine the butthurt that induced you to return under a new username two years later in 2014.
How unsightly.
^ Didn't the last time that writer email/tweets came up in a Superman thread led to trolls parading an answer supporting their argument and then one of them unwittingly posted another tweet/email from the very same writer hoping to drive the nail in the proverbial coffin that ended up completely contradicting the prior answer?
There's a reason this rule is in place. It's actually explained in the rule itself.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So you can't accept you are wrong even after the writer says what you said was wrong?That's some quanchi level denial right there.
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No one is claiming he didn't travel a great distance very fast.
For one he has no concrete memory of his imprisonment and possibly part of his return travel. That alone puts things in quite a muddle.
In regards to his return trip and anything concerning Saturn, what we see is what was shown on panel. Now anyone knows that this medium showcases snapshots in time of what the whole story is trying to tell. So it is possible for Clark to have been transported away further than what the next panel showed after his departure from "brainiac space". Hence my reply to your earlier post and to ODG not contesting that possibility. We now find out that he was punted further away from earth. This through a tweet if I may add and still after the fact.
Going by that tweet, how far really was he from earth? If we take the writer's own words, we really don't know how far he had to travel. We also have an interview from Pak that stated Clark being at the end of the universe. Mind you the only thing on panel we have in regards to the distance is Clark's statement of Brainiac being on the other side of the universe after being dragged through the initial black hole.
We also don't really know how long(or how long it took if any) he travelled back through the black hole or whatever you want to call what Brainiac sent Clark though. What we have is Clark making statements through various issues in his attempt to describe his journey back. Statements involving him entering multiple black holes, fighting through a black hole, travelling 60 days through deep space, etc etc... All of this with the backdrop of him not remembering what truly happened in his stay with Brainiac and most probably of his journey home considering the different descriptions of it.
So what now? Do we now resort to writer tweets and interviews as definitive proof for feats even though they are prone to give fan service answers or very generalized ones that can seem vague at times? Last time I looked, we use the comics themselves for proof and have after the fact writer statements as supplemental info.
When this feat was initially brought up, one from the pro Superman crowd was saying he travelled from the end of the universe back to earth in 60 days with the rest jumping on and following suit. Then the matter in which he travelled back with the possible use of a black hole was suggested considering a black hole was what threw him far away from earth in the first place. In light of new information from Convergence and yet another writer statement, we're still right back where we started. That being Clark flew really fast and a great distance. I don't know how one can say with a straight face he travelled from the ACTUAL end of the universe back to earth in 60 days when we know he has no actual recollection of what happened, there is no actual on panel proof that he started from the ACTUAL end of the universe on his journey back, the distance of his travel through Brainy's return black hole, how long it took him to travel through the return black hole, from when did he start counting the days, and the list goes on....
Originally posted by ODG
Oh, a sock. One who knew my original username that I changed in 2012 despite having just registered in 2014.One can only imagine the butthurt that induced you to return under a new username two years later in 2014.
How unsightly.
Genius, it says previous user name right here..
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=77143
I just thought it was funny someone would name themselves OneDumbguy
Keep changing the subject though, and talk more about how the writer didn't know what he was writing and you know how to interpret what the writer wrote, rather then what he meant to write.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No..No one is claiming he didn't travel a great distance very fast.
For one he has no concrete memory of his imprisonment and possibly part of his return travel. That alone puts things in quite a muddle.
In regards to his return trip and anything concerning Saturn, what we see is what was shown on panel. Now anyone knows that this medium showcases snapshots in time of what the whole story is trying to tell. So it is possible for Clark to have been transported away further than what the next panel showed after his departure from "brainiac space". Hence my reply to your earlier post and to ODG not contesting that possibility. We now find out that he was punted further away from earth. This through a tweet if I may add and still after the fact.
Going by that tweet, how far really was he from earth? If we take the writer's own words, we really don't know how far he had to travel. We also have an interview from Pak that stated Clark being at the end of the universe. Mind you the only thing on panel we have in regards to the distance is Clark's statement of Brainiac being on the other side of the universe after being dragged through the initial black hole.
We also don't really know how long(or how long it took if any) he travelled back through the black hole or whatever you want to call what Brainiac sent Clark though. What we have is Clark making statements through various issues in his attempt to describe his journey back. Statements involving him entering multiple black holes, fighting through a black hole, travelling 60 days through deep space, etc etc... All of this with the backdrop of him not remembering what truly happened in his stay with Brainiac and most probably of his journey home considering the different descriptions of it.
So what now? Do we now resort to writer tweets and interviews as definitive proof for feats even though they are prone to give fan service answers or very generalized ones that can seem vague at times? Last time I looked, we use the comics themselves for proof and have after the fact writer statements as supplemental info.
When this feat was initially brought up, one from the pro Superman crowd was saying he travelled from the end of the universe back to earth in 60 days with the rest jumping on and following suit. Then the matter in which he travelled back with the possible use of a black hole was suggested considering a black hole was what threw him far away from earth in the first place. In light of new information from Convergence and yet another writer statement, we're still right back where we started. That being Clark flew really fast and a great distance. I don't know how one can say with a straight face he travelled from the ACTUAL end of the universe back to earth in 60 days when we know he has no actual recollection of what happened, there is no actual on panel proof that he started from the ACTUAL end of the universe on his journey back, the distance of his travel through Brainy's return black hole, how long it took him to travel through the return black hole, from when did he start counting the days, and the list goes on....
IOW finding out a fact is wrong and you are right.
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Originally posted by h1a8
So what are you guys arguing about now? Still that Superman used a black hole to get back quicker?
OGD can't get over being wrong and says the writer didn't know what he was doing, and what he said is now inadmissible, but last I checked he was not PR. Cel is pretty much doing the same.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Well you and ODG both have mde it clear that your words supersedes writer's words. So yeah, you do said that.
No..No one is claiming he didn't travel a great distance very fast.
How does that even makes sense? Did Brainiac erase future memories of his travel?
For one he has no concrete memory of his imprisonment and possibly part of his return travel. That alone puts things in quite a muddle.
That's a fat loss of BS to save face. You said he was just teleported to Saturn. The writer flat out contradicted it, ODG fell back to his routine "my word is superior to writer's word because of this" and you are here trying to save face in the most pathetic way possible.In regards to his return trip and anything concerning Saturn, what we see is what was shown on panel. Now anyone knows that this medium showcases snapshots in time of what the whole story is trying to tell. So it is possible for Clark to have been transported away further than what the next panel showed after his departure from "brainiac space". Hence my reply to your earlier post and to ODG not contesting that possibility. We now find out that he was punted further away from earth. This through a tweet if I may add and still after the fact.
[quotw] Going by that tweet, how far really was he from earth? If we take the writer's own words, we really don't know how far he had to travel. We also have an interview from Pak that stated Clark being at the end of the universe. Mind you the only thing on panel we have in regards to the distance is Clark's statement of Brainiac being on the other side of the universe after being dragged through the initial black hole.[/quote] And why wouldn't we take that as truth? After all, Brainiac only erased his memories of the dimension.
We also don't really know how long(or how long it took if any) he travelled back through the black hole or whatever you want to call what Brainiac sent Clark though.Simply pathetic at this point.
What we have is Clark making statements through various issues in his attempt to describe his journey back. Statements involving him entering multiple black holes, fighting through a black hole, travelling 60 days through deep space, etc etc... All of this with the backdrop of him not remembering what truly happened in his stay with Brainiac and most probably of his journey home considering the different descriptions of it.[./quote] So use just want to treat this feat as invalid at any way possible without any counter proof and because you can't stomach it. Gotcha.And what comic showed he was teleported near Saturn as you and your buddy Dumbo proudly claimed? Or better where he spent 60 days in a dimension where time didn't pass?
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So what now? Do we now resort to writer tweets and interviews as definitive proof for feats even though they are prone to give fan service answers or very generalized ones that can seem vague at times? Last time I looked, we use the comics themselves for proof and have after the fact writer statements as supplemental info.
I knew Thor bags are really pathetic when it came to accepting Superman's feats, this just took it to whole new level of pettiness. You know what, nobody needs your permission to validate this feat. You don't or can't accept it because you have difficulty taking what's on panel without doubting it, fine. Don't use your doubts as facts. And remain butthurt.
When this feat was initially brought up, one from the pro Superman crowd was saying he travelled from the end of the universe back to earth in 60 days with the rest jumping on and following suit. Then the matter in which he travelled back with the possible use of a black hole was suggested considering a black hole was what threw him far away from earth in the first place. In light of new information from Convergence and yet another writer statement, we're still right back where we started. That being Clark flew really fast and a great distance. I don't know how one can say with a straight face he travelled from the ACTUAL end of the universe back to earth in 60 days when we know he has no actual recollection of what happened, there is no actual on panel proof that he started from the ACTUAL end of the universe on his journey back, the distance of his travel through Brainy's return black hole, how long it took him to travel through the return black hole, from when did he start counting the days, and the list goes on....
Originally posted by ODG
^ Didn't the last time that writer email/tweets came up in a Superman thread led to trolls parading an answer supporting their argument and then one of them unwittingly posted another tweet/email from the very same writer hoping to drive the nail in the proverbial coffin that ended up completely contradicting the prior answer?There's a reason this rule is in place. It's actually explained in the rule itself.
This whole thing blew up in there face now they saying "NO U RULZ!"
Originally posted by ODG
^ Didn't the last time that writer email/tweets came up in a Superman thread led to trolls parading an answer supporting their argument and then one of them unwittingly posted another tweet/email from the very same writer hoping to drive the nail in the proverbial coffin that ended up completely contradicting the prior answer?There's a reason this rule is in place. It's actually explained in the rule itself.
