SBP vs Phoenix 5

Originally posted by Nibedicus
She showed pretty much she could reform at will. Don't think smashing her would count as a KO. Also, phoenix/fire/star? Y'know? Don't think heat vision would really be the winning edge here. As for BFR, I don't really remember reading BFR as one of SBP's go-too tactic or ability...

she can reform at will but out of something, if he burns her to the point nothing is left then she wont have nothing to reform from.

you know superman? the guy that lives in the sun and uneffected by heat? look what happened to him when got his by superboy prime's heat vision,you cant aply force A to force B , heat vision is no fire, and there is another thing and its the overall power of the heat vision, the guy basically killed solomon grundy with his heat vision, he killed green lanterns with his heat vision, he cut superman like butter with his heat vision, i can safely say his heat vision is more powerful than anything they faced before.

superboy prime bfr'd antimonitor so he did use it as a tactic, no reason at all for prime not to use bfr as a tactic but of course he wont be needing that.

Reallyyyy doubt his heat vision would hurt them. Like I said, they're empowered by an abstract-level fire-based being who eats stars. Heat would really be the worst way to go here. Also, matter can niether be destroyed nor created, especially by use of heat. Really disagree here.

Always saw SBP as a cockey brawler type. If anything, BFR would be a tactic more common to the P5 than SBP.

I see him taking 2, maybe 3 of the P5 down (that is, if he doesn't get BFRd first). But once the Phoenix power is concentrated enough in one or 2 of them, he gets brought down hard.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Reallyyyy doubt his heat vision would hurt them. Like I said, they're empowered by an abstract-level fire-based being who eats stars. Heat would really be the worst way to go here. Also, matter can niether be destroyed nor created, especially by use of heat. Really disagree here.

Always saw SBP as a cockey brawler type. If anything, BFR would be a tactic more common to the P5 than SBP.

I see him taking 2, maybe 3 of the P5 down (that is, if he doesn't get BFRd first). But once the Phoenix power is concentrated enough in one or 2 of them, he gets brought down hard.

you got nothing but really bad speculation, again superman who can live in the sun and empowered by it was cut by his heat vision, i already explained his heat vision is no fire, just because the phoenix force has something to do with fire does not mean its imune to fire in the first place, i already gave feats of SBP heat vision, cutting superman, killing solomon grundy, killing green lanters with easy, i can safely say his heat vision will murder them unless you can provide any evidence to them being imune to his heat vision, also lets note that each of them got the 1/5 of the phoenix force which includes the so called durability.

but i already gave you a feat of sbp using a bfr do you even read what i respond? or am i talking to a wall here?

he cannot be bfr'd by them, he will take all 5 with no problem at all, namor got owned at first by thing and rulk which are a joke, colossus overpowered by gladiator, emma got a good fight from thor, they are all nothing to SBP and you are just being a brick wall that ignores context feats and make things up with no backing up

None of the characters you mentiined proves your "point". None of the characters here have the same durability as thr P5 has demonstrated. None of the characters here can reform or have matter manip. None of them are at the level of indvidual members of the P5.

Also, as one of them goes down, the Phoenix force gets distributef to the remaining members. Even if he defeats 4 out of 5 (highly unlikely) the last member would have the FULL Phoenix force at his/ her disposal. Sorry, as much as you'd try to accuse, lowball and pretend that you're the only one here providing an argument, SBP loses.

Namor got owned by Thing/Rulk? SBP got owned by A bunch o of kids? See I can lowball, too. At leat they needed a plot device to win, Conner and pals evidently didn't need one. Wheee! Seriously, tho, is lowballing really the only thing some ppl keep doing here to make their argument seem legit (to themselves)?

You obviously (I'm beginning to see that a lot of people here just want "their guy" to win in these forums and would just literally repeat the same argument over and over and, failing that, would go on ahead and accuse/insult as if it somehow proves their point), have a very biased view in the matter.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
None of the characters you mentiined proves your "point". None of the characters here have the same durability as thr P5 has demonstrated. None of the characters here can reform or have matter manip. None of them are at the level of indvidual members of the P5.

Also, as one of them goes down, the Phoenix force gets distributef to the remaining members. Even if he defeats 4 out of 5 (highly unlikely) the last member would have the FULL Phoenix force at his/ her disposal. Sorry, as much as you'd try to accuse, lowball and pretend that you're the only one here providing an argument, SBP loses.

Namor got owned by Thing/Rulk? SBP got owned by A bunch o of kids? See I can lowball, too. At leat they needed a plot device to win, Conner and pals evidently didn't need one. Wheee! Seriously, tho, is lowballing really the only thing some ppl keep doing here to make their argument seem legit (to themselves)?

You obviously (I'm beginning to see that a lot of people here just want "their guy" to win in these forums and would just literally repeat the same argument over and over and, failing that, would go on ahead and accuse/insult as if it somehow proves their point), have a very biased view in the matter.

what kind of durability did the phoenix 5 demonstrated? you really want to talk about the durability of the beings sbp hurt? lets get started, superman, sodam yat ION, busted the anti monitor armor, busted the phantom dimension, broke a wall made out of green lanters will power, tore off monarch armor while losing the guardian amp something many versions of superman failed to do combined, altered reality and altered events with his punches, i laugh at your attempt to even suggest their durability level should be somewhat of high for him ROFL get lost with that bullshit.

what durability feats did the phoenix 5 presented? colossus was hurt by a punch from gladiator, namor was hurt by rulk and thing, emma was shattered by thor, they are were taken out by couple sinister hoes, what durability feats? i can easily say SBP will murder them all just with his heat vision based on it being able to cut superman who is by far more durable than them, and as far as emma reforming? he will burn her to a mulecular level to the point there will be nothing left to reform from.

provide me any evidence that as one of them goes down the other members recieve the rest of the phoenix power i want an evidence to that, even if thats the case he will destroy them so fast it wont even matter, we already saw that the phoenix 5 while being more powerful had trouble vs speed basically the phoenix power did not amp their speed and therefor they will just get speedblitzed by prime, 1 by 1 he is going to murder them and even if the last member gets the whole phoenix force it wont matter because he will die less than a second right after that before he can even make any kind of move in the first place.

SBP going down to teen titans is PIS at its best, specially when he took them before combined with earth's heroes, he took the teen titans combined with the JLA and who not, he wrecked half of DC roster at the same time, his overall showings easily overshadow that 1 PIS feat, does namor have anything to suggest this was a PIS? no? then it is what it is the fact rulk and thing were owning him and giving him a run for his money,how am i lowballing namor if its his only feat along with his fight vs thor in the first place are you dence? thats just stupid.

it is you actually who got a biased opinion, SBP destroyed dimensions, groups of top notch heralds, busted anti monitor, killed powerful beings with just heat vision and was laughing his ass off while doing it, the guy is insanely powerful he is easily a mid trans level being, those phoenix 5 got a hard fight vs low level heralds, namor got a run for his money by rulk and thing, colossus got outpowered by gladiator, then they all got killed by sinister girls i am sorry but the phoenix 5 were pathetic compared to prime and this is based on feats.

you think you can judge me and my arguments? here let me try, i think based on the fact you joined recentry and your "knowledge" so far you are new to the comics world, you dont know much about comics at all and right now you are creaming your pants over the phoenix 5 without knowing anything about SBP feats, because only a guy who doesnt know about his feats would suggest such a stupid idea that those 5 can actually do anything to him.

Originally posted by red sabre
what kind of durability did the phoenix 5 demonstrated? you really want to talk about the durability of the beings sbp hurt? lets get started, superman, sodam yat ION, busted the anti monitor armor, busted the phantom dimension, broke a wall made out of green lanters will power, tore off monarch armor while losing the guardian amp something many versions of superman failed to do combined, altered reality and altered events with his punches, i laugh at your attempt to even suggest their durability level should be somewhat of high for him ROFL get lost with that bullshit.

what durability feats did the phoenix 5 presented? colossus was hurt by a punch from gladiator, namor was hurt by rulk and thing, emma was shattered by thor, they are were taken out by couple sinister hoes, what durability feats? i can easily say SBP will murder them all just with his heat vision based on it being able to cut superman who is by far more durable than them, and as far as emma reforming? he will burn her to a mulecular level to the point there will be nothing left to reform from.

provide me any evidence that as one of them goes down the other members recieve the rest of the phoenix power i want an evidence to that, even if thats the case he will destroy them so fast it wont even matter, we already saw that the phoenix 5 while being more powerful had trouble vs speed basically the phoenix power did not amp their speed and therefor they will just get speedblitzed by prime, 1 by 1 he is going to murder them and even if the last member gets the whole phoenix force it wont matter because he will die less than a second right after that before he can even make any kind of move in the first place.

SBP going down to teen titans is PIS at its best, specially when he took them before combined with earth's heroes, he took the teen titans combined with the JLA and who not, he wrecked half of DC roster at the same time, his overall showings easily overshadow that 1 PIS feat, does namor have anything to suggest this was a PIS? no? then it is what it is the fact rulk and thing were owning him and giving him a run for his money,how am i lowballing namor if its his only feat along with his fight vs thor in the first place are you dence? thats just stupid.

it is you actually who got a biased opinion, SBP destroyed dimensions, groups of top notch heralds, busted anti monitor, killed powerful beings with just heat vision and was laughing his ass off while doing it, the guy is insanely powerful he is easily a mid trans level being, those phoenix 5 got a hard fight vs low level heralds, namor got a run for his money by rulk and thing, colossus got outpowered by gladiator, then they all got killed by sinister girls i am sorry but the phoenix 5 were pathetic compared to prime and this is based on feats.

you think you can judge me and my arguments? here let me try, i think based on the fact you joined recentry and your "knowledge" so far you are new to the comics world, you dont know much about comics at all and right now you are creaming your pants over the phoenix 5 without knowing anything about SBP feats, because only a guy who doesnt know about his feats would suggest such a stupid idea that those 5 can actually do anything to him.

Some seriously wrong points in that statement.

1) show best "feats" of my guy - check!
2) show worst showings of other guys -check!
3) make assumptions based on poor speculation (piercing supeman =/= utterly destroying someone, also, superman is NOT far more durable than any of them) -check!
4) lowball some more (lol at Thor and Glad being low heralds) -check!
5) huge wall of biased opinions that do nothing to prove his point -check!

Yeah I'm starting to get your debate style. It's entertaining.... Doesn't really prove your point, tho.

Also, the P5 getting distributed evenly as they go down? Go check AvX round 8, it's there. I might be new to comics but at least I've read about the people I argue on. You obiously don't.

Is it just me or does superman, hulk and gladiator have really rabid people trying to make em win regardless of logic here?

So how was the teen titans not pis? They were ending the series lol and there was no next season for a cliff hanger. They ended the series abruptly because of flashpoint. How else can you explain Conner clones getting stabbed by k-knives wielded by normal humans? Even if the last of the p5 remains, the p force will have to find a new host because the last one will be killed too.

I agree, the TT BS was pretty stupid. I was just demonstrating to red here how his high showing/lowballing strat looks from my end.

I actually feel SPB was badass in Sinestro War. But it's overhyping to even consider him being able to take down the P5 solo.

Originally posted by Diesldude
So how was the teen titans not pis? They were ending the series lol and there was no next season for a cliff hanger. They ended the series abruptly because of flashpoint. How else can you explain Conner clones getting stabbed by k-knives wielded by normal humans? Even if the last of the p5 remains, the p force will have to find a new host because the last one will be killed too.

Red DOES have a point, though, and its a bigger one in general. The P5 will have much fewer showings than Prime, and so any low showings (being made to bleed by Thing, for example) would have a larger effect on the perceptions of readers.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Red DOES have a point, though, and its a bigger one in general. The P5 will have much fewer showings than Prime, and so any low showings (being made to bleed by Thing, for example) would have a larger effect on the perceptions of readers.

Their showings were all over the place, I agree. But the same issue wherehe bled from Class 100 hits, he also no sold a high herald hammer strike ambush to the back of the head. High and average showings should be taken into consideration, too.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Red DOES have a point, though, and its a bigger one in general. The P5 will have much fewer showings than Prime, and so any low showings (being made to bleed by Thing, for example) would have a larger effect on the perceptions of readers.

For all the low showing nonsense the attacks did nothing. Namor essentially no sold them when he got remotely serious.

Then broke Rulk's arm in a similar manner to something SBP would have done. He no sold a Thor hammer strike.

Namor took on a team of avengers that included some decently powerful people.

Handled them like a nuisance and only lost because S. Witch is the P5s K-Nite.

While some moments in it could be considered a low showing the overall scenario definitely makes Namor look at the very least low trans in terms of power considering he manhandled a High Herald like Thor on multiple occasions.

I think the P5 collectively beat SBP. He should be able to take on one of them alone and win perfectly fine maybe even two, but I don't see him beating them all at the same time. Not with the feats they are bringing out.

Of course it's not over so maybe that opinion will change in the future who knows.

The Fab Five wins in a stomp.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) show best "feats" of my guy - check!
2) show worst showings of other guys -check!
3) make assumptions based on poor speculation (piercing supeman =/= utterly destroying someone, also, superman is NOT far more durable than any of them) -check!
4) lowball some more (lol at Thor and Glad being low heralds) -check!
5) huge wall of biased opinions that do nothing to prove his point -check!

Yeah I'm starting to get your debate style. It's entertaining.... Doesn't really prove your point, tho.

Also, the P5 getting distributed evenly as they go down? Go check AvX round 8, it's there. I might be new to comics but at least I've read about the people I argue on. You obiously don't.

Is it just me or does superman, hulk and gladiator have really rabid people trying to make em win regardless of logic here?

I said earlier that it could go either way and that I was leaning toward SBP. I take it back, it's a stomp in SBP's favor.

Thing was knocking around Magik powered by the PF and then Iceman stepped in and put him down. Laughable!

SPB for the win.

Originally posted by zopzop
I said earlier that it could go either way and that I was leaning toward SBP. I take it back, it's a stomp in SBP's favor.

Thing was knocking around Magik powered by the PF and then Iceman stepped in and put him down. Laughable!

SPB for the win.

Your argument can be applied to Namor as well , considering how Rulk drew blood from him :

The Phoenix Five can still be effected by kinetics and physical force. Doesn't mean they are grievously harmed by it. People far less powerful than Prime have staggered him with physical blows, actually caused him pain, and have drawn blood.

That said, Prime's tolerance for pain and damage soak is far greater than his durability, imo.

Question for all the people who seem to believe the P5 can reform from any attack:

If Exitar blasted one of them into subatomic particles with his most powerful ever attack do you think they still reform?

Being smashed to pieces isn't the same as being atomized either. And being reduced to atoms isn't the same as being reduced to subatomic particles.

Prime has punched holes in reality itself. His punches do all sorts of crazy things. I have no problem believing they can reduce a low trans character to atoms or less. Plus his speed is a HUGE problem for them.

Has Prime ever atomized someone with a punch?

I know he's punched people's heads off and ripped off limbs, but I've not seen him do anything close to vaporizing someone with his punches, and he's had plenty of opportunity to do so against the characters he murdered.