SBP vs Phoenix 5

WelL notice I said I have no problem "believing" he could...meaning I can't prove it. But given that his punches have accomplished far more impressive things it's not out of the realm of his capabilities. His punched his way out of the phantom zone. That's like saying since the Phoenix 5 haven't killed Thor with one blow that they can't.

Considering Thor has a storied and well documented history of enduring attacks greater than what the Phoenix Five had displayed against him, I do personally doubt that they could kill him in a single blow if he's at his best.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Question for all the people who seem to believe the P5 can reform from any attack:

If Exitar blasted one of them into subatomic particles with his most powerful ever attack do you think they still reform?

Being smashed to pieces isn't the same as being atomized either. And being reduced to atoms isn't the same as being reduced to subatomic particles.

Prime has punched holes in reality itself. His punches do all sorts of crazy things. I have no problem believing they can reduce a low trans character to atoms or less. Plus his speed is a HUGE problem for them.

However , considering how none of the P5 have the full power of the PF , I am unsure if they could reform from such an attack .

Come to think of it , I am beginning to wonder if Prime wouldn't be empowered in the presence of the Phoenix Force .

The Phoenix Force is , after all , the embodiment of all the stars in the universe , and that includes the ones like Earth's Sun .

It's a huge stretch to assume that he'd be amped or otherwise indirectly effected by the Phoenix Force incarnate due to its energy. That's without factoring in all the red stars, too.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's a huge stretch to assume that he'd be amped or otherwise indirectly effected by the Phoenix Force incarnate due to its energy. That's without factoring in all the red stars, too.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
But the thing is do stars like Krypton's Red Sun even exist in the Marvel Universe ?
We do know from on-panel evidence that both Earth AND Hala have a Sun identical to DC Earth's Sun .
Is there any on-panel evidence for the existence of a Rao-type Red Sun in the Marvel Universe ?

Red stars exist in the real universe...so I'm not sure why they wouldn't exist in the Marvel Universe.

In any case, I find it extraordinarily implausible that Prime or any Kryptonian would be amped or depowered in any case simply by being close to the Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Red stars exist in the real universe...so I'm not sure why they wouldn't exist in the Marvel Universe.

In any case, I find it extraordinarily implausible that Prime or any Kryptonian would be amped or depowered in any case simply by being close to the Phoenix Force.

Yeah I forgot that Rao is just another Red Giant .

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
WelL notice I said I have no problem "believing" he could...meaning I can't prove it. But given that his punches have accomplished far more impressive things it's not out of the realm of his capabilities. His punched his way out of the phantom zone. That's like saying since the Phoenix 5 haven't killed Thor with one blow that they can't.

That's only plausible if you give too much credit to SBP's punches and absolutely no credit to the Phoenix force's matter manipulative abilities IMO.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Come to think of it , I am beginning to wonder if Prime wouldn't be empowered in the presence of the Phoenix Force .

The Phoenix Force is , after all , the embodiment of all the stars in the universe , and that includes the ones like Earth's Sun .

If this was true (which it's not) it would likely be the other way around. The Force would suck up all solar energy leaving Prime depowered.

How can Prime contest with the embodiment of all the stars in an solar energy tug o war?

Originally posted by Sundipped
If this was true (which it's not) it would likely be the other way around. The Force would suck up all solar energy leaving Prime depowered.

How can Prime contest with the embodiment of all the stars in an solar energy tug o war?

Don't forget Sundipped, this isn't the Classic PF. Since 2004 or so it's been retconned down SEVERELY and I'm not just talking about the Xorn/Shi'ar incidents.

Gone are the days of it being a universal (at least) force, it's merely a "cosmic" force now.

Originally posted by zopzop
Is this even true anymore?

Don't forget Sundipped, this isn't the Classic PF. Since 2004 or so it's been retconned down SEVERELY and I'm not just talking about the Xorn/Shi'ar incidents.

Gone are the days of it being a universal (at least) force, it's merely a "cosmic" force now.

What evidence is there that it can't consume suns anymore?

Why can't SBP just beat PF out of them? If he kills them enough, it'll just give up and fly away. Why waste energy repetitiously reforming Muties that will be destroyed again anyway.

Hehe, 'X-men suck eggs'. Awesome battle cry.

This is spite. The 5 go down hard. Even without the sundip or his armor, SBP owns the team.

lol

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lol

Originally posted by The Sorrow
My reaction was exactly the same 😂
It's baffling to me how one can claim SBP stomps the entire Phoenix 5 considering their feats and wide range of powers, [B]individually let alone as a team. Also the fact the power of any defeated members is divided up among the remaining hosts amping them even further. [/B]

Based on what?

As far as I know, Prime doesn't have any telepathy resistance feats worth of note. Martian Manhunter was able to scan his mind and deduce his plan of universal destruction, iirc.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Based on what?

As far as I know, Prime doesn't have any telepathy resistance feats worth of note. Martian Manhunter was able to scan his mind and deduce his plan of universal destruction, iirc.

She'd probably die attempting to do anything telepathically vs SBP.